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Danielle Powell, shortly before finishing her bachelors degree, was kicked out of Grace University, a University with a clearly Christian background.
Powell was a student at Grace University in early 2011 when she began her first same-sex relationship. Up until that point, neither she nor her then-girlfriend identified as lesbian. When Grace, a religious university in Omaha, Neb., found out about the relationship through a spiritual adviser at the school, they brought Powell before a judiciary board to decide whether she should be allowed to stay enrolled.
Altough she agreed to the rules of the University before she enrolled, she was not doing this intentionally, as she claims. Staying true to the terms and rules you have signed to / agreeing for being judged based on the terms which have been mutually agreed upon should not be a problem here. It should be pretty normal to get problems when you break a contract you have signed.
What got me, however, was the way the case was treated afterwards:
Powell said the board asked her why she did what she did and whether she was remorseful, treating her, in her words, "like a sexual predator." The university ultimately decided in March 2011 to suspend her and not allow her to finish the semester. Powell said she was also told she now owed Grace just over $6,000 after an academic scholarship she'd been awarded was revoked.
Powell said that the university told her she could participate in a restoration program, involving counseling and regular church attendance, to get readmitted, but she would have to live off campus and could not stay overnight in the dorms. She began the restoration process in the summer of 2011, so as not to jeopardize work that she was afraid she might lose by transferring to another institution.
But shortly before the start of the spring 2012 semester, Grace decided not to readmit her because she was still dating women.
Despite not being able to finish her bachelor´s degree, being kicked from the University, she has to pay the tuition fee. Additionally, she was taking part in the restoration program (which - weird - did not change her sexual orientation) and kicked out of it aswell.
While the sexual orientation of a person may change in the course of their respective lifes, why can this - legally - be punished so harsh? What do you fellow TL´ers think, is this even something we should be thinking about in 2013?
Full article:
Danielle Powell, Grace University Student Kicked Out For Being Lesbian, Must Repay Thousands
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Maybe she should still get a lawyer, but why did she even choose to attend that University I wonder...
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On June 14 2013 20:59 GettingIt wrote:
Maybe she should still get a lawyer, but why did she even choose to attend that University I wonder...
She was not aware of her sexual orientation before she enrolled, according to her.
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Nebraska should just instate legalisation of gay marriages/couples.
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Threads like these primarily just provoke a "sigh, religion..." reaction out of me.
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disgusting to see that something like this can happen
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The school has rules
The student agreed to the rules
The student violated the rules
The school takes action against the student who violated the rules
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On June 14 2013 21:15 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
The school has rules
The student agreed to the rules
The student violated the rules
The school takes action against the student who violated the rules
Rules like this shouldn't be allowed to be written down in the first place, however.
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On June 14 2013 21:15 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
The school has rules
The student agreed to the rules
The student violated the rules
The school takes action against the student who violated the rules
The rules are discriminatory.
Highly retarded (for a lack of better words) clauses in contracts are illegal even if you have signed the contract. (e.g. the bank can't just take your first born or your left arm in case you don't pay your debts)
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Apparently she signed an agreement, to hold up the institutions values, if I get the OP right. So legally the university can kick her, not letting her finish her studies is just not nice. For revoking the scholarship, I think the institution has to prove, that she, at the time of being awarded the scholarship, did already violate the agreement, So much for the legal part...
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On June 14 2013 21:13 Rannasha wrote:
"sigh, religion..."
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On June 14 2013 21:18 noddy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 21:15 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
The school has rules
The student agreed to the rules
The student violated the rules
The school takes action against the student who violated the rules Rules like this shouldn't be allowed to be written down in the first place, however.
Rules against gay people is discrimination. They should be abolished.
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On June 14 2013 21:18 noddy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 21:15 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
The school has rules
The student agreed to the rules
The student violated the rules
The school takes action against the student who violated the rules Rules like this shouldn't be allowed to be written down in the first place, however.
Why not? It's a private, religious school. They want to stay with the rules of their religion.
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On June 14 2013 21:15 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
The school has rules
The student agreed to the rules
The student violated the rules
The school takes action against the student who violated the rules
Forgot:
Rules may be illegal
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On June 14 2013 21:15 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
The school has rules
The student agreed to the rules
The student violated the rules
The school takes action against the student who violated the rules
You realize rules can be against the law and therefore not valid right. And even if they are society can still wonder if it should be.
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On June 14 2013 21:21 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 21:18 noddy wrote:On June 14 2013 21:15 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
The school has rules
The student agreed to the rules
The student violated the rules
The school takes action against the student who violated the rules Rules like this shouldn't be allowed to be written down in the first place, however. Why not? It's a private, religious school. They want to stay with the rules of their religion.
But it doesn't make any sense. It's like if a school said you can't attend our institution if you play sc2. Like seriously wtf?
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On June 14 2013 21:23 tuestresfat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 21:21 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On June 14 2013 21:18 noddy wrote:On June 14 2013 21:15 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
The school has rules
The student agreed to the rules
The student violated the rules
The school takes action against the student who violated the rules Rules like this shouldn't be allowed to be written down in the first place, however. Why not? It's a private, religious school. They want to stay with the rules of their religion. But it doesn't make any sense. It's like if a school said you can't attend our institution if you play sc2. Like seriously wtf?
Then don't attend that school. It's pretty obvious that a religious school will have strict rules so why even bother applying for one?
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On June 14 2013 21:21 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 21:18 noddy wrote:On June 14 2013 21:15 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
The school has rules
The student agreed to the rules
The student violated the rules
The school takes action against the student who violated the rules Rules like this shouldn't be allowed to be written down in the first place, however. Why not? It's a private, religious school. They want to stay with the rules of their religion.
Yeah it's not like we have human rights or anything. You'd think a UNIVERSITY of all instutations would have the slightest respect for this.
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Yeah sorry but isn't this bought on yourself if you go to a religious based University? Isn't it like the equivalent of a gay going to Russia at the moment?
Very sad for her though, the bill she has to pay is pretty harsh, maybe they should just come to an agreement that she doesn't study there anymore but there is nothing to pay
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On June 14 2013 21:21 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 21:18 noddy wrote:On June 14 2013 21:15 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
The school has rules
The student agreed to the rules
The student violated the rules
The school takes action against the student who violated the rules Rules like this shouldn't be allowed to be written down in the first place, however. Why not? It's a private, religious school. They want to stay with the rules of their religion.
exactly. Is it sexist for an all-girl-school to not allow boys? Is it racist for an immigration program to not support people who lived in that country for generations? A religious private school can make their own rules (as long as they do not hurt people), and many people pay for their kids to go to said school because of said rules.
Sometimes the intolerance of tolerant people towards intolerant people sickens me.
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On June 14 2013 21:25 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 21:23 tuestresfat wrote:On June 14 2013 21:21 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:On June 14 2013 21:18 noddy wrote:On June 14 2013 21:15 PeopleWhoAnnoyYou wrote:
The school has rules
The student agreed to the rules
The student violated the rules
The school takes action against the student who violated the rules Rules like this shouldn't be allowed to be written down in the first place, however. Why not? It's a private, religious school. They want to stay with the rules of their religion. But it doesn't make any sense. It's like if a school said you can't attend our institution if you play sc2. Like seriously wtf? Then don't attend that school. It's pretty obvious that a religious school will have strict rules so why even bother applying for one?
That solution only works on a person by person basis.
Like in this case, I obviously don't give a crap because I'm straight, but it doesn't make this right.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
There's no discussion to be had in this thread really. It's sucks for her, she should get a lawyer and sort it out.
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