To ignore racism is what the campaign is about, yet

"It is hard to see racism when you’re white. These resources help you look more carefully at your everyday interactions and listen more openly to what others are saying."

From the site itself.

I am speaking up against this racism. It is NOT normal to be white. Less then 20% of the worlds population is white.

http://unfaircampaign.org/resources/see-it/

Deleting this is racist, because you are ignoring the racism, which the site is trying to promote getting rid of.

WarSame

Canada1950 Posts

February 23 2013 22:28 GMT

They mean modern racism, aka under the surface racism. If you're white you're simply not going to see most of it. Have you ever been pulled over by the cops for little to no reason? If you're white the chances of No are much higher than if you're black.

NoobSkills

United States1603 Posts

February 23 2013 22:32 GMT

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ElvisWayCool

United States437 Posts

February 23 2013 22:34 GMT

It seems like a lot of the arguments on the site are made from white people to white people.

White people don't see white people's race before they see they're face, because they're used to the race. Same with black people and black people. But if a white person sees a black person's race before they see their face, then a black person sees a white person's race before they see their face. To say it goes one way or the other is saying there's a difference between the races...

It's just how the world has always worked, and I believe it's how it always will work until we have so many mixed race babies that everyone is just a nice tan color.

Racism isn't fair, people shouldn't be discriminated because of their ancestry, but that doesn't mean white people are more prone to racism than any other race.

Also, I'm having a hard time deciphering your opinion on the site... Do you support their argument, or are you saying something similar to what I'm saying?

On February 24 2013 07:28 WarSame wrote:
They mean modern racism, aka under the surface racism. If you're white you're simply not going to see most of it. Have you ever been pulled over by the cops for little to no reason? If you're white the chances of No are much higher than if you're black.

Stuff like this kind of makes me angry... If you're black and pulled over, you better have an amazing argument that there was no other reason besides your race that caused the officer to pull you over... If you swerved, if you were speeding, if you didn't use your blinker, they just pulled you over and you were black.

I'm white to help show my POV. I've gotten bullshit tickets by cops that weren't white. I never considered race as the reason.

Using race to defend yourself only helps perpetuate the problem of racism, because now people use arguments like, "Black people always pull the race card when they can." It just creates a new stereotype. Once people stop seeing people, including themselves, as black or white, and just see everyone as a person, there won't be any problem.

GnarlyArbitrage

575 Posts

February 23 2013 22:34 GMT

I've been assaulted by the cops on a number of occasions. I have never been let off with a warning, except in the case that I didn't actually do anything illegal.

What you are saying is racist. Do you get it? Can you come from Stan's point of view, that you don't get it?

xpldngmn

Austria265 Posts

February 23 2013 22:36 GMT

what are you talking about?

using the word normal when it comes to skin-tones? 20 % of the worlds population? huh?

edit: i get that you are saying that their "being white makes you see less racism" is racist itself, but, is this threadworthy? and why are you not clearly arguing along those lines?

Slaughter

United States20255 Posts

February 23 2013 22:39 GMT

On February 24 2013 07:34 GnarlyArbitrage wrote:

Show nested quote +

I've been assaulted by the cops on a number of occasions. I have never been let off with a warning, except in the case that I didn't actually do anything illegal.

What you are saying is racist. Do you get it? Can you come from Stan's point of view, that you don't get it?

Um what? His statement isn't racist. And in the bolded part it makes it sound like you have had multiple contacts with the police because you have been doing stuff that is illegal and that when they gave you 'just a warning' was in fact the appropriate time because you weren't doing anything at that time. Not sure if I am interpreting it right or the wording is a little muddled.

GnarlyArbitrage

575 Posts

February 23 2013 22:40 GMT

On February 24 2013 07:34 ElvisWayCool wrote:
It seems like a lot of the arguments on the site are made from white people to white people.

White people don't see white people's race before they see they're face, because they're used to the race. Same with black people and black people. But if a white person sees a black person's race before they see their face, then a black person sees a white person's race before they see their face. To say it goes one way or the other is saying there's a difference between the races...

It's just how the world has always worked, and I believe it's how it always will work until we have so many mixed race babies that everyone is just a nice tan color.

Racism isn't fair, people shouldn't be discriminated because of their ancestry, but that doesn't mean white people are more prone to racism than any other race.

Also, I'm having a hard time deciphering your opinion on the site... Do you support their argument, or are you saying something similar to what I'm saying?

I'm saying something like you, and the poster above. Racism can be experienced by all races. Racism can be thrown around by all races.

Grimmyman123

Canada939 Posts

February 23 2013 22:41 GMT

Nowaday's Racism is perceived by anyone that has received a negative result to something. It's an excuse and a crutch. Didn't get that job? Must have been racism. Date didn't go well? Racism. Someone looked at you oddly? Racism.

I'm one of those white folk, and I've had to work in a particular city near Toronto Ontario Canada, which is well known to be over 60% populated by persons of Asian decent. If I am (and I have) been mistreated directly because I am white, is that racism? Or does it not count because I am white?

Personally I don't care what colour your skin is. I judge people solely on their personality and ability. Employee not pulling his or her weight? I get them off my job site. Someone is rude, loud, or too outspoken? I tell them off. I hate incompetent and rude people equally.

[UoN]Sentinel

United States11320 Posts

February 23 2013 22:41 GMT

#10

Oh I remember this bleeding heart project. I'm ashamed to be white not because of some bullshit privilege I've been granted, but because of these spineless worms making our whole race look bad.

You can't open a discussion on race and hope to see it move in a positive direction when you raise the topic by stereotyping an entire race.

ElvisWayCool

United States437 Posts

February 23 2013 22:42 GMT

#11

On February 24 2013 07:39 Slaughter wrote:

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I'm guessing GnarlyArbitrage is white, and his argument is he's never been favored by the police for it. He gets punished when he should, just like everyone else.

DocTheMedic

United States79 Posts

February 23 2013 22:47 GMT

#12

On February 24 2013 07:24 GnarlyArbitrage wrote:
Deleting this is racist

I'm in favor of a mod deleting this simply because a post shouldn't have to explicitly justify it's reason for existing, especially by appeal to "not be racist."

In any case, it has been known that, in general, people racially profile whether they are aware of it or not. Heck, there's a statistically significant change in judging the quality of academic papers when the judge is told of the author's genders. Happens in gender, happens in race. Moving on.

Alzadar

Canada5009 Posts

February 23 2013 22:47 GMT

#13

To address the actual content of the website:

I'm a bit confused by the examples of Privilege here http://unfaircampaign.org/about-us/f-a-q/ :

I can walk around a department store without being followed;
I can come to meeting late and not have my lateness attributed to my race;
I am able to drive a car in any neighborhood without being perceived as being in the wrong place or looking for trouble;
I can turn on the television or look to the front page and see people of my ethnic and racial background represented;
I can take a job without having co-workers suspect that I got it because of my racial background;
I can send my 16-year old out with his new driver’s license and not have to give him a lesson how to respond if police stop him.

To me, "unfair privilege" implies an advantage that people shouldn't have. But all of these examples are things that everyone should have. So while having these privileges (surely they ought to be rights?) denied based on race is of course racism, the solution is to make sure that everyone has those privileges, not to deny them to those who already have them.