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I think the OP needs to post the factual analysis:
On October 10, 2010, at 12:23 am., LASD Deputy Julio Jove was traveling north on Long Beach Boulevard when he observed Ernie Ray Campos walking in the northbound lanes of
traffic showing gang signs at passing cars. Several vehicles had to brake and swerve around
Campos to avoid hitting him. At the same time, Eduardo Villa, Jr. was running back and forth
from the east sidewalk to the middle of the street. Jove also observed Johnathan Cuevas standing
on the east sidewalk near both men. Jove pulled over to the east curb and used his driver side
spotlight to illuminate the men. Campos immediately raised his hands in the air and placed them
on the hood of the police car. As Jove opened his driver’s door, Villa walked to the front
passenger door. It appeared to Jove that Villa was attempting to block his View of Cuevas who
was standing behind him on the sidewalk. Based on their unusual behavior, Jove believed they
were setting him up for an ambush. Jove then saw Cuevas pull a handgun from his front
waistband. As Jove jumped out of the police car, Cuevas Walked southbound on the sidewalk with his back to the deputy.
Jove yelled to Cuevas, “Let me see your hands! Let me see your handsl” Cuevas quickly turned
his upper body toward Jove. Fearing that Cuevas was about to shoot him, Jove fired one round
from his service Weapon. Cuevas began running southbound. As Jove gave chase, he saw
Cuevas turn once more and blade his body toward him. Jove ñred another round at Cuevas
fearing that he was still trying to shoot him. Cuevas ran a short distance before falling to the
curb just north of the northeast corner of Josephine Street and Long Beach Boulevard. Cuevas
screamed, “You fucking shot mel” Jove ran up to Cuevas and stood in the number two lane of
traffic on Long Beach Boulevard. He was momentarily blinded by the headlights of oncoming
vehicles. The drivers were honking their horns at him as he stood in the street. He could also
hear Campos and Villa yelling and cursing at him back at the police car. Cuevas was lying on
his stomach with his hands beneath his body at his waistband. He was aggressively moving his
shoulders from side to side. Jove repeatedly ordered Cuevas to, “Let me see your hands, let me
see your handsl” Cuevas did not comply and continued to move his body While screaming,
“Fuck you! Fuck you! You fucking shot me, you fucking shot rnel”
Cuevas began “messing with his waistband” then rolled toward his left shoulder. His right
shoulder and knee came off the ground. Cuevas was looking directly at Jove while ignoring his
commands to show his hands. Jove believed that Cuevas was attempting to roll over in order to
pull the gun from beneath his body and shoot him. He fired a third round at Cuevas. Cuevas
rolled onto his back and put his hands above his head. Jove saw the gun falling out of Cuevas’
waistband.l Cuevas arched his back While cursing at Jove and complaining of pain. Jove
ordered Cuevas to stop moving several times before it appeared to Jove that he was complying.
Jove turned his attention to Campos and Villa and ordered them to their knees. Cuevas began to
move again and his hands lowered toward his waistband. Jove repeatedly ordered Cuevas not to
reach for the gun. Cuevas ignored the commands and continued to reach for the gun. In fear for
for his life, Jove tired two to three rounds from his service weapon to prevent Cuevas from
grabbing the gun. He did not believe he struck Cuevas until the last round when
Cuevas said, “Alright already, alright,” and put his hands back above his head. Cuevas stopped
moving but continued to yell profanities at Jove. A responding deputy arrived and recovered the
handgun from Cuevas’ waistband. Cuevas was transported to St. Francis Hospital where he was
pronounced dead at 1:04 am.
Just for clarification that it was not a simple shooting of a guy running away with no other factors to consider. I'm not sure what to think, but I know that it should be important to consider all the facts.
Edit: After rereading the OP, I realize it may be agenda-driven rather than a fair and reasonable look at things. It claims a gun was never found which directly contradicts the District Attorney report describing the gun's important role in the incident, which was indeed found on Cuevas
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On February 17 2013 05:16 FallDownMarigold wrote:I think the OP needs to post the factual analysis: Show nested quote +
On October 10, 2010, at 12:23 am., LASD Deputy Julio Jove was traveling north on Long Beach Boulevard when he observed Ernie Ray Campos walking in the northbound lanes of
traffic showing gang signs at passing cars. Several vehicles had to brake and swerve around
Campos to avoid hitting him. At the same time, Eduardo Villa, Jr. was running back and forth
from the east sidewalk to the middle of the street. Jove also observed Johnathan Cuevas standing
on the east sidewalk near both men. Jove pulled over to the east curb and used his driver side
spotlight to illuminate the men. Campos immediately raised his hands in the air and placed them
on the hood of the police car. As Jove opened his driver’s door, Villa walked to the front
passenger door. It appeared to Jove that Villa was attempting to block his View of Cuevas who
was standing behind him on the sidewalk. Based on their unusual behavior, Jove believed they
were setting him up for an ambush. Jove then saw Cuevas pull a handgun from his front
waistband. As Jove jumped out of the police car, Cuevas Walked southbound on the sidewalk with his back to the deputy.
Jove yelled to Cuevas, “Let me see your hands! Let me see your handsl” Cuevas quickly turned
his upper body toward Jove. Fearing that Cuevas was about to shoot him, Jove fired one round
from his service Weapon. Cuevas began running southbound. As Jove gave chase, he saw
Cuevas turn once more and blade his body toward him. Jove ñred another round at Cuevas
fearing that he was still trying to shoot him. Cuevas ran a short distance before falling to the
curb just north of the northeast corner of Josephine Street and Long Beach Boulevard. Cuevas
screamed, “You fucking shot mel” Jove ran up to Cuevas and stood in the number two lane of
traffic on Long Beach Boulevard. He was momentarily blinded by the headlights of oncoming
vehicles. The drivers were honking their horns at him as he stood in the street. He could also
hear Campos and Villa yelling and cursing at him back at the police car. Cuevas was lying on
his stomach with his hands beneath his body at his waistband. He was aggressively moving his
shoulders from side to side. Jove repeatedly ordered Cuevas to, “Let me see your hands, let me
see your handsl” Cuevas did not comply and continued to move his body While screaming,
“Fuck you! Fuck you! You fucking shot me, you fucking shot rnel”
Cuevas began “messing with his waistband” then rolled toward his left shoulder. His right
shoulder and knee came off the ground. Cuevas was looking directly at Jove while ignoring his
commands to show his hands. Jove believed that Cuevas was attempting to roll over in order to
pull the gun from beneath his body and shoot him. He fired a third round at Cuevas. Cuevas
rolled onto his back and put his hands above his head. Jove saw the gun falling out of Cuevas’
waistband.l Cuevas arched his back While cursing at Jove and complaining of pain. Jove
ordered Cuevas to stop moving several times before it appeared to Jove that he was complying.
Jove turned his attention to Campos and Villa and ordered them to their knees. Cuevas began to
move again and his hands lowered toward his waistband. Jove repeatedly ordered Cuevas not to
reach for the gun. Cuevas ignored the commands and continued to reach for the gun. In fear for
for his life, Jove tired two to three rounds from his service weapon to prevent Cuevas from
grabbing the gun. He did not believe he struck Cuevas until the last round when
Cuevas said, “Alright already, alright,” and put his hands back above his head. Cuevas stopped
moving but continued to yell profanities at Jove. A responding deputy arrived and recovered the
handgun from Cuevas’ waistband. Cuevas was transported to St. Francis Hospital where he was
pronounced dead at 1:04 am.
Just for clarification that it was not a simple shooting of a guy running away with no other factors to consider. I'm not sure what to think, but I know that it should be important to consider all the facts.
Just from what i see in the video no chance this happend, it all went down much too fast!
He was just running becouse he wanted to avoid the control. No intention to shoot him at all.
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On February 17 2013 01:23 Diks wrote:Here is the "official" version of the facts that was on the linked website. + Show Spoiler + Based on their unusual behavior, Jove believed they were setting him up for an ambush. Jove then saw Cuevas pull a handgun from his front waistband.
As Jove jumped out of the police car, Cuevas Walked southbound on the sidewalk Jove yelled to Cuevas, “Let me see your hands! Let me see your handsl” Cuevas quickly turned his upper body toward Jove. Fearing that Cuevas was about to shoot him, Jove fired one round from his service Weapon. Cuevas began running southbound. As Jove gave chase, he saw Cuevas turn once more and blade his body toward him. Jove ñred another round at Cuevas fearing that he was still trying to shoot him. Cuevas ran a short distance before falling to the curb just north of the northeast corner of Josephine Street and Long Beach Boulevard. Cuevas screamed, “You fucking shot me!” Jove ran up to Cuevas and stood in the number two lane of trafñc on Long Beach Boulevard. He was momentarily blinded by the headlights of oncoming vehicles. The drivers were honking their horns at him as he stood in the street. He could also hear Campos and Villa yelling and cursing at him back at the police car.
Cuevas was lying on his stomach with his hands beneath his body at his waistband. He was aggressively moving his shoulders from side to side. Jove repeatedly ordered Cuevas to, “Let me see your hands, let me see your handsl” Cuevas did not comply and continued to move his body While screaming, “Fuck you! Fuck you! You fucking shot me, you fucking shot rnel” Cuevas began “messing with his waistband” then rolled toward his left shoulder. His right shoulder and knee came off the ground. Cuevas was looking directly at Jove while ignoring his commands to show his hands. Jove believed that Cuevas was attempting to roll over in order to pull the gun from beneath his body and shoot him. He fired a third round at Cuevas. Cuevas rolled onto his back and put his hands above his head. Jove saw the gun falling out of Cuevas’ waistband. Cuevas arched his back While cursing at Jove and complaining of pain. Jove ordered Cuevas to stop moving several times before it appeared to Jove that he was complying. Jove turned his attention to Campos and Villa and ordered them to their knees. Cuevas began to move again and his hands lowered toward his waistband. Jove repeatedly ordered Cuevas not to reach for the gun. Cuevas ignored the commands and continued to reach for the gun. In fear for for his life, Jove tired two to three rounds from his service weapon to prevent Cuevas from grabbing the gun. He did not believe he struck Cuevas until the last round when Cuevas said, “Alright already, alright,” and put his hands back above his head. Cuevas stopped moving but continued to yell profanities at Jove.
This version and the video that we can see on youtube don't collaborate at all. On the video we see the cop running at the young man who was on ground and promptly shoot at him. I don't see the scene of ambiguous talk and acting from the victim (while he was wounded on the ground) as portayed in the policeman's report.
"....and guy glared at me. I knew at that moment that those were the eyes of someone who would jump me any second, so I shot him. He screamed out some suspicious curse words and started running away. He was clearly running toward his arsenal of weapons to attack me back, so I shot him again. He screamed and I clearly heard '....fucking shot...' He clearly had a gun that he was going to shoot me with, so I shot him again. He fell down and started flailing his arms, which meant he was scrambling to find that rocket launcher he was hiding in his pants pocket, so I shot him. I shot him two more times to make sure that he could not access his weapons. He stopped resisting and said 'alright already, alright'. I had saved the town from another dangerous criminal"
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On February 17 2013 05:22 Chilling5pr33 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 05:16 FallDownMarigold wrote:I think the OP needs to post the factual analysis:
On October 10, 2010, at 12:23 am., LASD Deputy Julio Jove was traveling north on Long Beach Boulevard when he observed Ernie Ray Campos walking in the northbound lanes of
traffic showing gang signs at passing cars. Several vehicles had to brake and swerve around
Campos to avoid hitting him. At the same time, Eduardo Villa, Jr. was running back and forth
from the east sidewalk to the middle of the street. Jove also observed Johnathan Cuevas standing
on the east sidewalk near both men. Jove pulled over to the east curb and used his driver side
spotlight to illuminate the men. Campos immediately raised his hands in the air and placed them
on the hood of the police car. As Jove opened his driver’s door, Villa walked to the front
passenger door. It appeared to Jove that Villa was attempting to block his View of Cuevas who
was standing behind him on the sidewalk. Based on their unusual behavior, Jove believed they
were setting him up for an ambush. Jove then saw Cuevas pull a handgun from his front
waistband. As Jove jumped out of the police car, Cuevas Walked southbound on the sidewalk with his back to the deputy.
Jove yelled to Cuevas, “Let me see your hands! Let me see your handsl” Cuevas quickly turned
his upper body toward Jove. Fearing that Cuevas was about to shoot him, Jove fired one round
from his service Weapon. Cuevas began running southbound. As Jove gave chase, he saw
Cuevas turn once more and blade his body toward him. Jove ñred another round at Cuevas
fearing that he was still trying to shoot him. Cuevas ran a short distance before falling to the
curb just north of the northeast corner of Josephine Street and Long Beach Boulevard. Cuevas
screamed, “You fucking shot mel” Jove ran up to Cuevas and stood in the number two lane of
traffic on Long Beach Boulevard. He was momentarily blinded by the headlights of oncoming
vehicles. The drivers were honking their horns at him as he stood in the street. He could also
hear Campos and Villa yelling and cursing at him back at the police car. Cuevas was lying on
his stomach with his hands beneath his body at his waistband. He was aggressively moving his
shoulders from side to side. Jove repeatedly ordered Cuevas to, “Let me see your hands, let me
see your handsl” Cuevas did not comply and continued to move his body While screaming,
“Fuck you! Fuck you! You fucking shot me, you fucking shot rnel”
Cuevas began “messing with his waistband” then rolled toward his left shoulder. His right
shoulder and knee came off the ground. Cuevas was looking directly at Jove while ignoring his
commands to show his hands. Jove believed that Cuevas was attempting to roll over in order to
pull the gun from beneath his body and shoot him. He fired a third round at Cuevas. Cuevas
rolled onto his back and put his hands above his head. Jove saw the gun falling out of Cuevas’
waistband.l Cuevas arched his back While cursing at Jove and complaining of pain. Jove
ordered Cuevas to stop moving several times before it appeared to Jove that he was complying.
Jove turned his attention to Campos and Villa and ordered them to their knees. Cuevas began to
move again and his hands lowered toward his waistband. Jove repeatedly ordered Cuevas not to
reach for the gun. Cuevas ignored the commands and continued to reach for the gun. In fear for
for his life, Jove tired two to three rounds from his service weapon to prevent Cuevas from
grabbing the gun. He did not believe he struck Cuevas until the last round when
Cuevas said, “Alright already, alright,” and put his hands back above his head. Cuevas stopped
moving but continued to yell profanities at Jove. A responding deputy arrived and recovered the
handgun from Cuevas’ waistband. Cuevas was transported to St. Francis Hospital where he was
pronounced dead at 1:04 am.
Just for clarification that it was not a simple shooting of a guy running away with no other factors to consider. I'm not sure what to think, but I know that it should be important to consider all the facts. Just from what i see in the video no chance this happend, it all went down much too fast! He was just running becouse he wanted to avoid the control. No intention to shoot him at all.
So the District Attorney report is fabricated and the ones who contributed to it are liars? I'm wondering if you would agree with this statement.
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On February 17 2013 05:26 wei2coolman wrote:
How interesting; right after Dorner exposed corruption in the LAPD; you'd think they'd want to lay low on the whole police brutality/excessive force stuff.
On February 17 2013 05:13 ChoDing wrote:w...t...f... this is so wrong... -______- i think that cop was pmsing about Dorner... though Dorner is a murderer and deserved to die.... i wish he was alive to continue his manifesto, bringing justice to LAPDs.. 
GOOD JOB you didn't read the thread. And couldn't at least skim for the fact that the OP clearly left out which was this happened years ago.
On February 17 2013 04:04 TheRealArtemis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 04:00 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
...and right after the Dorner incident too. Suddenly, his claims of massive corruption seem a lot more realistic. Isnt exactly right after...It happened two years ago. Corruption in america isnt a new thing. But rather calling it corruption, I would call it very poor judgement calls.
On February 17 2013 05:22 Chilling5pr33 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 05:16 FallDownMarigold wrote:I think the OP needs to post the factual analysis:
On October 10, 2010, at 12:23 am., LASD Deputy Julio Jove was traveling north on Long Beach Boulevard when he observed Ernie Ray Campos walking in the northbound lanes of
traffic showing gang signs at passing cars. Several vehicles had to brake and swerve around
Campos to avoid hitting him. At the same time, Eduardo Villa, Jr. was running back and forth
from the east sidewalk to the middle of the street. Jove also observed Johnathan Cuevas standing
on the east sidewalk near both men. Jove pulled over to the east curb and used his driver side
spotlight to illuminate the men. Campos immediately raised his hands in the air and placed them
on the hood of the police car. As Jove opened his driver’s door, Villa walked to the front
passenger door. It appeared to Jove that Villa was attempting to block his View of Cuevas who
was standing behind him on the sidewalk. Based on their unusual behavior, Jove believed they
were setting him up for an ambush. Jove then saw Cuevas pull a handgun from his front
waistband. As Jove jumped out of the police car, Cuevas Walked southbound on the sidewalk with his back to the deputy.
Jove yelled to Cuevas, “Let me see your hands! Let me see your handsl” Cuevas quickly turned
his upper body toward Jove. Fearing that Cuevas was about to shoot him, Jove fired one round
from his service Weapon. Cuevas began running southbound. As Jove gave chase, he saw
Cuevas turn once more and blade his body toward him. Jove ñred another round at Cuevas
fearing that he was still trying to shoot him. Cuevas ran a short distance before falling to the
curb just north of the northeast corner of Josephine Street and Long Beach Boulevard. Cuevas
screamed, “You fucking shot mel” Jove ran up to Cuevas and stood in the number two lane of
traffic on Long Beach Boulevard. He was momentarily blinded by the headlights of oncoming
vehicles. The drivers were honking their horns at him as he stood in the street. He could also
hear Campos and Villa yelling and cursing at him back at the police car. Cuevas was lying on
his stomach with his hands beneath his body at his waistband. He was aggressively moving his
shoulders from side to side. Jove repeatedly ordered Cuevas to, “Let me see your hands, let me
see your handsl” Cuevas did not comply and continued to move his body While screaming,
“Fuck you! Fuck you! You fucking shot me, you fucking shot rnel”
Cuevas began “messing with his waistband” then rolled toward his left shoulder. His right
shoulder and knee came off the ground. Cuevas was looking directly at Jove while ignoring his
commands to show his hands. Jove believed that Cuevas was attempting to roll over in order to
pull the gun from beneath his body and shoot him. He fired a third round at Cuevas. Cuevas
rolled onto his back and put his hands above his head. Jove saw the gun falling out of Cuevas’
waistband.l Cuevas arched his back While cursing at Jove and complaining of pain. Jove
ordered Cuevas to stop moving several times before it appeared to Jove that he was complying.
Jove turned his attention to Campos and Villa and ordered them to their knees. Cuevas began to
move again and his hands lowered toward his waistband. Jove repeatedly ordered Cuevas not to
reach for the gun. Cuevas ignored the commands and continued to reach for the gun. In fear for
for his life, Jove tired two to three rounds from his service weapon to prevent Cuevas from
grabbing the gun. He did not believe he struck Cuevas until the last round when
Cuevas said, “Alright already, alright,” and put his hands back above his head. Cuevas stopped
moving but continued to yell profanities at Jove. A responding deputy arrived and recovered the
handgun from Cuevas’ waistband. Cuevas was transported to St. Francis Hospital where he was
pronounced dead at 1:04 am.
Just for clarification that it was not a simple shooting of a guy running away with no other factors to consider. I'm not sure what to think, but I know that it should be important to consider all the facts. Just from what i see in the video no chance this happend it all went down much too fast! He was just running becouse he wanted to avoid the control. No intention to shoot him at all.
The video is very biased and edited to be so just like the OP also i don't think police need to count to 3 before every command or action is taken.
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How interesting; right after Dorner exposed corruption in the LAPD; you'd think they'd want to lay low on the whole police brutality/excessive force stuff.
EDIT: NVM, this is 2 years old?
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On February 17 2013 05:26 FallDownMarigold wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 05:22 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On February 17 2013 05:16 FallDownMarigold wrote:I think the OP needs to post the factual analysis:
On October 10, 2010, at 12:23 am., LASD Deputy Julio Jove was traveling north on Long Beach Boulevard when he observed Ernie Ray Campos walking in the northbound lanes of
traffic showing gang signs at passing cars. Several vehicles had to brake and swerve around
Campos to avoid hitting him. At the same time, Eduardo Villa, Jr. was running back and forth
from the east sidewalk to the middle of the street. Jove also observed Johnathan Cuevas standing
on the east sidewalk near both men. Jove pulled over to the east curb and used his driver side
spotlight to illuminate the men. Campos immediately raised his hands in the air and placed them
on the hood of the police car. As Jove opened his driver’s door, Villa walked to the front
passenger door. It appeared to Jove that Villa was attempting to block his View of Cuevas who
was standing behind him on the sidewalk. Based on their unusual behavior, Jove believed they
were setting him up for an ambush. Jove then saw Cuevas pull a handgun from his front
waistband. As Jove jumped out of the police car, Cuevas Walked southbound on the sidewalk with his back to the deputy.
Jove yelled to Cuevas, “Let me see your hands! Let me see your handsl” Cuevas quickly turned
his upper body toward Jove. Fearing that Cuevas was about to shoot him, Jove fired one round
from his service Weapon. Cuevas began running southbound. As Jove gave chase, he saw
Cuevas turn once more and blade his body toward him. Jove ñred another round at Cuevas
fearing that he was still trying to shoot him. Cuevas ran a short distance before falling to the
curb just north of the northeast corner of Josephine Street and Long Beach Boulevard. Cuevas
screamed, “You fucking shot mel” Jove ran up to Cuevas and stood in the number two lane of
traffic on Long Beach Boulevard. He was momentarily blinded by the headlights of oncoming
vehicles. The drivers were honking their horns at him as he stood in the street. He could also
hear Campos and Villa yelling and cursing at him back at the police car. Cuevas was lying on
his stomach with his hands beneath his body at his waistband. He was aggressively moving his
shoulders from side to side. Jove repeatedly ordered Cuevas to, “Let me see your hands, let me
see your handsl” Cuevas did not comply and continued to move his body While screaming,
“Fuck you! Fuck you! You fucking shot me, you fucking shot rnel”
Cuevas began “messing with his waistband” then rolled toward his left shoulder. His right
shoulder and knee came off the ground. Cuevas was looking directly at Jove while ignoring his
commands to show his hands. Jove believed that Cuevas was attempting to roll over in order to
pull the gun from beneath his body and shoot him. He fired a third round at Cuevas. Cuevas
rolled onto his back and put his hands above his head. Jove saw the gun falling out of Cuevas’
waistband.l Cuevas arched his back While cursing at Jove and complaining of pain. Jove
ordered Cuevas to stop moving several times before it appeared to Jove that he was complying.
Jove turned his attention to Campos and Villa and ordered them to their knees. Cuevas began to
move again and his hands lowered toward his waistband. Jove repeatedly ordered Cuevas not to
reach for the gun. Cuevas ignored the commands and continued to reach for the gun. In fear for
for his life, Jove tired two to three rounds from his service weapon to prevent Cuevas from
grabbing the gun. He did not believe he struck Cuevas until the last round when
Cuevas said, “Alright already, alright,” and put his hands back above his head. Cuevas stopped
moving but continued to yell profanities at Jove. A responding deputy arrived and recovered the
handgun from Cuevas’ waistband. Cuevas was transported to St. Francis Hospital where he was
pronounced dead at 1:04 am.
Just for clarification that it was not a simple shooting of a guy running away with no other factors to consider. I'm not sure what to think, but I know that it should be important to consider all the facts. Just from what i see in the video no chance this happend, it all went down much too fast! He was just running becouse he wanted to avoid the control. No intention to shoot him at all. So the District Attorney report is fabricated and the ones who contributed to it are liars? I'm wondering if you would agree with this statement.
Well he is lying becouse he wanna save his ass this happens ALL THE TIME.
And yes most of it is fabricated on the statements of the cop who is trustet.
The guy isnt innocent but he was clearly JUST running away try to say all those stuff in like 8 seconds its just plain not possible.
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On February 17 2013 05:29 Chilling5pr33 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 05:26 FallDownMarigold wrote:On February 17 2013 05:22 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On February 17 2013 05:16 FallDownMarigold wrote:I think the OP needs to post the factual analysis:
On October 10, 2010, at 12:23 am., LASD Deputy Julio Jove was traveling north on Long Beach Boulevard when he observed Ernie Ray Campos walking in the northbound lanes of
traffic showing gang signs at passing cars. Several vehicles had to brake and swerve around
Campos to avoid hitting him. At the same time, Eduardo Villa, Jr. was running back and forth
from the east sidewalk to the middle of the street. Jove also observed Johnathan Cuevas standing
on the east sidewalk near both men. Jove pulled over to the east curb and used his driver side
spotlight to illuminate the men. Campos immediately raised his hands in the air and placed them
on the hood of the police car. As Jove opened his driver’s door, Villa walked to the front
passenger door. It appeared to Jove that Villa was attempting to block his View of Cuevas who
was standing behind him on the sidewalk. Based on their unusual behavior, Jove believed they
were setting him up for an ambush. Jove then saw Cuevas pull a handgun from his front
waistband. As Jove jumped out of the police car, Cuevas Walked southbound on the sidewalk with his back to the deputy.
Jove yelled to Cuevas, “Let me see your hands! Let me see your handsl” Cuevas quickly turned
his upper body toward Jove. Fearing that Cuevas was about to shoot him, Jove fired one round
from his service Weapon. Cuevas began running southbound. As Jove gave chase, he saw
Cuevas turn once more and blade his body toward him. Jove ñred another round at Cuevas
fearing that he was still trying to shoot him. Cuevas ran a short distance before falling to the
curb just north of the northeast corner of Josephine Street and Long Beach Boulevard. Cuevas
screamed, “You fucking shot mel” Jove ran up to Cuevas and stood in the number two lane of
traffic on Long Beach Boulevard. He was momentarily blinded by the headlights of oncoming
vehicles. The drivers were honking their horns at him as he stood in the street. He could also
hear Campos and Villa yelling and cursing at him back at the police car. Cuevas was lying on
his stomach with his hands beneath his body at his waistband. He was aggressively moving his
shoulders from side to side. Jove repeatedly ordered Cuevas to, “Let me see your hands, let me
see your handsl” Cuevas did not comply and continued to move his body While screaming,
“Fuck you! Fuck you! You fucking shot me, you fucking shot rnel”
Cuevas began “messing with his waistband” then rolled toward his left shoulder. His right
shoulder and knee came off the ground. Cuevas was looking directly at Jove while ignoring his
commands to show his hands. Jove believed that Cuevas was attempting to roll over in order to
pull the gun from beneath his body and shoot him. He fired a third round at Cuevas. Cuevas
rolled onto his back and put his hands above his head. Jove saw the gun falling out of Cuevas’
waistband.l Cuevas arched his back While cursing at Jove and complaining of pain. Jove
ordered Cuevas to stop moving several times before it appeared to Jove that he was complying.
Jove turned his attention to Campos and Villa and ordered them to their knees. Cuevas began to
move again and his hands lowered toward his waistband. Jove repeatedly ordered Cuevas not to
reach for the gun. Cuevas ignored the commands and continued to reach for the gun. In fear for
for his life, Jove tired two to three rounds from his service weapon to prevent Cuevas from
grabbing the gun. He did not believe he struck Cuevas until the last round when
Cuevas said, “Alright already, alright,” and put his hands back above his head. Cuevas stopped
moving but continued to yell profanities at Jove. A responding deputy arrived and recovered the
handgun from Cuevas’ waistband. Cuevas was transported to St. Francis Hospital where he was
pronounced dead at 1:04 am.
Just for clarification that it was not a simple shooting of a guy running away with no other factors to consider. I'm not sure what to think, but I know that it should be important to consider all the facts. Just from what i see in the video no chance this happend, it all went down much too fast! He was just running becouse he wanted to avoid the control. No intention to shoot him at all. So the District Attorney report is fabricated and the ones who contributed to it are liars? I'm wondering if you would agree with this statement. Well he is lying becouse he wanna save his ass this happens ALL THE TIME. And yes most of it is fabricated on the statements of the cop who is trustet. The guy isnt innocent but he was clearly JUST running away try to say all those stuff in like 8 seconds its just plain not possible.
Well that's an interesting personal opinion I suppose. Thanks for the alternative viewpoint -- always enjoy reading the creative opinions of others. Cheers
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On February 17 2013 05:34 FallDownMarigold wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 05:29 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On February 17 2013 05:26 FallDownMarigold wrote:On February 17 2013 05:22 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On February 17 2013 05:16 FallDownMarigold wrote:I think the OP needs to post the factual analysis:
On October 10, 2010, at 12:23 am., LASD Deputy Julio Jove was traveling north on Long Beach Boulevard when he observed Ernie Ray Campos walking in the northbound lanes of
traffic showing gang signs at passing cars. Several vehicles had to brake and swerve around
Campos to avoid hitting him. At the same time, Eduardo Villa, Jr. was running back and forth
from the east sidewalk to the middle of the street. Jove also observed Johnathan Cuevas standing
on the east sidewalk near both men. Jove pulled over to the east curb and used his driver side
spotlight to illuminate the men. Campos immediately raised his hands in the air and placed them
on the hood of the police car. As Jove opened his driver’s door, Villa walked to the front
passenger door. It appeared to Jove that Villa was attempting to block his View of Cuevas who
was standing behind him on the sidewalk. Based on their unusual behavior, Jove believed they
were setting him up for an ambush. Jove then saw Cuevas pull a handgun from his front
waistband. As Jove jumped out of the police car, Cuevas Walked southbound on the sidewalk with his back to the deputy.
Jove yelled to Cuevas, “Let me see your hands! Let me see your handsl” Cuevas quickly turned
his upper body toward Jove. Fearing that Cuevas was about to shoot him, Jove fired one round
from his service Weapon. Cuevas began running southbound. As Jove gave chase, he saw
Cuevas turn once more and blade his body toward him. Jove ñred another round at Cuevas
fearing that he was still trying to shoot him. Cuevas ran a short distance before falling to the
curb just north of the northeast corner of Josephine Street and Long Beach Boulevard. Cuevas
screamed, “You fucking shot mel” Jove ran up to Cuevas and stood in the number two lane of
traffic on Long Beach Boulevard. He was momentarily blinded by the headlights of oncoming
vehicles. The drivers were honking their horns at him as he stood in the street. He could also
hear Campos and Villa yelling and cursing at him back at the police car. Cuevas was lying on
his stomach with his hands beneath his body at his waistband. He was aggressively moving his
shoulders from side to side. Jove repeatedly ordered Cuevas to, “Let me see your hands, let me
see your handsl” Cuevas did not comply and continued to move his body While screaming,
“Fuck you! Fuck you! You fucking shot me, you fucking shot rnel”
Cuevas began “messing with his waistband” then rolled toward his left shoulder. His right
shoulder and knee came off the ground. Cuevas was looking directly at Jove while ignoring his
commands to show his hands. Jove believed that Cuevas was attempting to roll over in order to
pull the gun from beneath his body and shoot him. He fired a third round at Cuevas. Cuevas
rolled onto his back and put his hands above his head. Jove saw the gun falling out of Cuevas’
waistband.l Cuevas arched his back While cursing at Jove and complaining of pain. Jove
ordered Cuevas to stop moving several times before it appeared to Jove that he was complying.
Jove turned his attention to Campos and Villa and ordered them to their knees. Cuevas began to
move again and his hands lowered toward his waistband. Jove repeatedly ordered Cuevas not to
reach for the gun. Cuevas ignored the commands and continued to reach for the gun. In fear for
for his life, Jove tired two to three rounds from his service weapon to prevent Cuevas from
grabbing the gun. He did not believe he struck Cuevas until the last round when
Cuevas said, “Alright already, alright,” and put his hands back above his head. Cuevas stopped
moving but continued to yell profanities at Jove. A responding deputy arrived and recovered the
handgun from Cuevas’ waistband. Cuevas was transported to St. Francis Hospital where he was
pronounced dead at 1:04 am.
Just for clarification that it was not a simple shooting of a guy running away with no other factors to consider. I'm not sure what to think, but I know that it should be important to consider all the facts. Just from what i see in the video no chance this happend, it all went down much too fast! He was just running becouse he wanted to avoid the control. No intention to shoot him at all. So the District Attorney report is fabricated and the ones who contributed to it are liars? I'm wondering if you would agree with this statement. Well he is lying becouse he wanna save his ass this happens ALL THE TIME. And yes most of it is fabricated on the statements of the cop who is trustet. The guy isnt innocent but he was clearly JUST running away try to say all those stuff in like 8 seconds its just plain not possible. Well that's an interesting personal opinion I suppose. Thanks for the alternative viewpoint -- always enjoy reading the creative opinions of others. Cheers
Well more like facts mate cheers.
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On February 17 2013 04:02 [Agony]x90 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 03:59 number01 wrote:On February 17 2013 03:56 [Agony]x90 wrote:On February 17 2013 03:45 number01 wrote:
The cop is obviously a murderer and he should be treated as one. Seeing more situations like this makes me want to support the acquisition of weapons for civilians even more. The fact that the victim had a gun meant that the cop was correct in his original assessment. I've said this before in the thread, but no matter who you are, you do not approach a cop if they are pulling you over. You are not allowed to step out of your vehicle if you are pulled over and they will approach your vehicle with a hand on their holster. Its nothing personal, but they don't know who you are. Once he made the determination that the civilian had a gun, he suddenly became much more dangerous. The person was flashing gang signs while jay walking at midnight. His two buddies proceeded to surround the cop vehicle when they should've waited where they were for further instruction. Did the cop make an error? HELL YES. Was it his fault? Not entirely. Had the individuals not acted so erratically and stated immediately that they had a firearm on hand, then likely this would not have happened. The result of their behavior resulted in a fight or flight situation for both the victim and the cop. The cop is supposed to be trained to fight that instinct, but consider the amount of time the passed. It takes several times longer to read the police report description than the event actually lasted. His adrenaline would've been pumping and he had very little context prior to the situation, thus resulting in poor judgement. It is entirely possible and very likely that the LAPD is corrupt and abusive, but this is not one of the cases. This is, in my opinion, a situation that proceeded as a result of natural fears, errors, threats, etc. and not the result of a cop attempting to abuse his power. Do you really believe what you type? are you that naive? I don't understand. You want to give more people guns? The European's in this thread always talk about their police forces, but I don't think we're being entirely fair to American police. They have to expect weapons no matter who they pull over.This may be true in other nations, but its much more true in our country. Its additional duress on the cop. I don't think its fair if you call me naive if you believe that more guns would be the proper solution.
This idea simply isn't true. Yes, people in the US have lots of guns. But they do not shoot cops every chance they get, even criminals don't.
http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2012/november/report-on-law-enforcement-officer-deaths-released/report-on-law-enforcement-officer-deaths-released
In 2011, only 72 cops in the entire country were feloniously killed in the line of duty. It is not some constant, extreme threat, even in LA or Detroit.
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On February 17 2013 05:29 Chilling5pr33 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 05:26 FallDownMarigold wrote:On February 17 2013 05:22 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On February 17 2013 05:16 FallDownMarigold wrote:I think the OP needs to post the factual analysis:
On October 10, 2010, at 12:23 am., LASD Deputy Julio Jove was traveling north on Long Beach Boulevard when he observed Ernie Ray Campos walking in the northbound lanes of
traffic showing gang signs at passing cars. Several vehicles had to brake and swerve around
Campos to avoid hitting him. At the same time, Eduardo Villa, Jr. was running back and forth
from the east sidewalk to the middle of the street. Jove also observed Johnathan Cuevas standing
on the east sidewalk near both men. Jove pulled over to the east curb and used his driver side
spotlight to illuminate the men. Campos immediately raised his hands in the air and placed them
on the hood of the police car. As Jove opened his driver’s door, Villa walked to the front
passenger door. It appeared to Jove that Villa was attempting to block his View of Cuevas who
was standing behind him on the sidewalk. Based on their unusual behavior, Jove believed they
were setting him up for an ambush. Jove then saw Cuevas pull a handgun from his front
waistband. As Jove jumped out of the police car, Cuevas Walked southbound on the sidewalk with his back to the deputy.
Jove yelled to Cuevas, “Let me see your hands! Let me see your handsl” Cuevas quickly turned
his upper body toward Jove. Fearing that Cuevas was about to shoot him, Jove fired one round
from his service Weapon. Cuevas began running southbound. As Jove gave chase, he saw
Cuevas turn once more and blade his body toward him. Jove ñred another round at Cuevas
fearing that he was still trying to shoot him. Cuevas ran a short distance before falling to the
curb just north of the northeast corner of Josephine Street and Long Beach Boulevard. Cuevas
screamed, “You fucking shot mel” Jove ran up to Cuevas and stood in the number two lane of
traffic on Long Beach Boulevard. He was momentarily blinded by the headlights of oncoming
vehicles. The drivers were honking their horns at him as he stood in the street. He could also
hear Campos and Villa yelling and cursing at him back at the police car. Cuevas was lying on
his stomach with his hands beneath his body at his waistband. He was aggressively moving his
shoulders from side to side. Jove repeatedly ordered Cuevas to, “Let me see your hands, let me
see your handsl” Cuevas did not comply and continued to move his body While screaming,
“Fuck you! Fuck you! You fucking shot me, you fucking shot rnel”
Cuevas began “messing with his waistband” then rolled toward his left shoulder. His right
shoulder and knee came off the ground. Cuevas was looking directly at Jove while ignoring his
commands to show his hands. Jove believed that Cuevas was attempting to roll over in order to
pull the gun from beneath his body and shoot him. He fired a third round at Cuevas. Cuevas
rolled onto his back and put his hands above his head. Jove saw the gun falling out of Cuevas’
waistband.l Cuevas arched his back While cursing at Jove and complaining of pain. Jove
ordered Cuevas to stop moving several times before it appeared to Jove that he was complying.
Jove turned his attention to Campos and Villa and ordered them to their knees. Cuevas began to
move again and his hands lowered toward his waistband. Jove repeatedly ordered Cuevas not to
reach for the gun. Cuevas ignored the commands and continued to reach for the gun. In fear for
for his life, Jove tired two to three rounds from his service weapon to prevent Cuevas from
grabbing the gun. He did not believe he struck Cuevas until the last round when
Cuevas said, “Alright already, alright,” and put his hands back above his head. Cuevas stopped
moving but continued to yell profanities at Jove. A responding deputy arrived and recovered the
handgun from Cuevas’ waistband. Cuevas was transported to St. Francis Hospital where he was
pronounced dead at 1:04 am.
Just for clarification that it was not a simple shooting of a guy running away with no other factors to consider. I'm not sure what to think, but I know that it should be important to consider all the facts. Just from what i see in the video no chance this happend, it all went down much too fast! He was just running becouse he wanted to avoid the control. No intention to shoot him at all. So the District Attorney report is fabricated and the ones who contributed to it are liars? I'm wondering if you would agree with this statement. Well he is lying becouse he wanna save his ass this happens ALL THE TIME. And yes most of it is fabricated on the statements of the cop who is trustet. The guy isnt innocent but he was clearly JUST running away try to say all those stuff in like 8 seconds its just plain not possible.
He pulled a gun on the cops then ran away. Any actions he took afterwards that even suggested he was going to use it would have to be taken seriously.
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Yeah well he stated the view to the suspect was blocked thats why he was assuming it was a trap still he could clearly see he was pulling a gun (contradiction 1), The Video shows the guy running full speed away how can you turn around while running full speed (contradicition 2). The third thing is if you are shot and lying on the floor you natually reach for the wound and are unable to follow orders so there were no additional reason to shoot another 2 to 3 bullets.
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On February 17 2013 05:37 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 04:02 [Agony]x90 wrote:On February 17 2013 03:59 number01 wrote:On February 17 2013 03:56 [Agony]x90 wrote:On February 17 2013 03:45 number01 wrote:
The cop is obviously a murderer and he should be treated as one. Seeing more situations like this makes me want to support the acquisition of weapons for civilians even more. The fact that the victim had a gun meant that the cop was correct in his original assessment. I've said this before in the thread, but no matter who you are, you do not approach a cop if they are pulling you over. You are not allowed to step out of your vehicle if you are pulled over and they will approach your vehicle with a hand on their holster. Its nothing personal, but they don't know who you are. Once he made the determination that the civilian had a gun, he suddenly became much more dangerous. The person was flashing gang signs while jay walking at midnight. His two buddies proceeded to surround the cop vehicle when they should've waited where they were for further instruction. Did the cop make an error? HELL YES. Was it his fault? Not entirely. Had the individuals not acted so erratically and stated immediately that they had a firearm on hand, then likely this would not have happened. The result of their behavior resulted in a fight or flight situation for both the victim and the cop. The cop is supposed to be trained to fight that instinct, but consider the amount of time the passed. It takes several times longer to read the police report description than the event actually lasted. His adrenaline would've been pumping and he had very little context prior to the situation, thus resulting in poor judgement. It is entirely possible and very likely that the LAPD is corrupt and abusive, but this is not one of the cases. This is, in my opinion, a situation that proceeded as a result of natural fears, errors, threats, etc. and not the result of a cop attempting to abuse his power. Do you really believe what you type? are you that naive? I don't understand. You want to give more people guns? The European's in this thread always talk about their police forces, but I don't think we're being entirely fair to American police. They have to expect weapons no matter who they pull over.This may be true in other nations, but its much more true in our country. Its additional duress on the cop. I don't think its fair if you call me naive if you believe that more guns would be the proper solution. This idea simply isn't true. Yes, people in the US have lots of guns. But they do not shoot cops every chance they get, even criminals don't. http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2012/november/report-on-law-enforcement-officer-deaths-released/report-on-law-enforcement-officer-deaths-releasedIn 2011, only 72 cops in the entire country were feloniously killed in the line of duty. It is not some constant, extreme threat, even in LA or Detroit.
Only 72? In 2011, zero British cops were killed in the line of duty. I posted this earlier but most would of missed it, and I only compared the USA to the UK, but you have roughly 20 cops dying on duty for each one that we have (adjusted for population). Being a cop in the USA is dangerous.
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On February 17 2013 05:36 Chilling5pr33 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 05:34 FallDownMarigold wrote:On February 17 2013 05:29 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On February 17 2013 05:26 FallDownMarigold wrote:On February 17 2013 05:22 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On February 17 2013 05:16 FallDownMarigold wrote:I think the OP needs to post the factual analysis:
On October 10, 2010, at 12:23 am., LASD Deputy Julio Jove was traveling north on Long Beach Boulevard when he observed Ernie Ray Campos walking in the northbound lanes of
traffic showing gang signs at passing cars. Several vehicles had to brake and swerve around
Campos to avoid hitting him. At the same time, Eduardo Villa, Jr. was running back and forth
from the east sidewalk to the middle of the street. Jove also observed Johnathan Cuevas standing
on the east sidewalk near both men. Jove pulled over to the east curb and used his driver side
spotlight to illuminate the men. Campos immediately raised his hands in the air and placed them
on the hood of the police car. As Jove opened his driver’s door, Villa walked to the front
passenger door. It appeared to Jove that Villa was attempting to block his View of Cuevas who
was standing behind him on the sidewalk. Based on their unusual behavior, Jove believed they
were setting him up for an ambush. Jove then saw Cuevas pull a handgun from his front
waistband. As Jove jumped out of the police car, Cuevas Walked southbound on the sidewalk with his back to the deputy.
Jove yelled to Cuevas, “Let me see your hands! Let me see your handsl” Cuevas quickly turned
his upper body toward Jove. Fearing that Cuevas was about to shoot him, Jove fired one round
from his service Weapon. Cuevas began running southbound. As Jove gave chase, he saw
Cuevas turn once more and blade his body toward him. Jove ñred another round at Cuevas
fearing that he was still trying to shoot him. Cuevas ran a short distance before falling to the
curb just north of the northeast corner of Josephine Street and Long Beach Boulevard. Cuevas
screamed, “You fucking shot mel” Jove ran up to Cuevas and stood in the number two lane of
traffic on Long Beach Boulevard. He was momentarily blinded by the headlights of oncoming
vehicles. The drivers were honking their horns at him as he stood in the street. He could also
hear Campos and Villa yelling and cursing at him back at the police car. Cuevas was lying on
his stomach with his hands beneath his body at his waistband. He was aggressively moving his
shoulders from side to side. Jove repeatedly ordered Cuevas to, “Let me see your hands, let me
see your handsl” Cuevas did not comply and continued to move his body While screaming,
“Fuck you! Fuck you! You fucking shot me, you fucking shot rnel”
Cuevas began “messing with his waistband” then rolled toward his left shoulder. His right
shoulder and knee came off the ground. Cuevas was looking directly at Jove while ignoring his
commands to show his hands. Jove believed that Cuevas was attempting to roll over in order to
pull the gun from beneath his body and shoot him. He fired a third round at Cuevas. Cuevas
rolled onto his back and put his hands above his head. Jove saw the gun falling out of Cuevas’
waistband.l Cuevas arched his back While cursing at Jove and complaining of pain. Jove
ordered Cuevas to stop moving several times before it appeared to Jove that he was complying.
Jove turned his attention to Campos and Villa and ordered them to their knees. Cuevas began to
move again and his hands lowered toward his waistband. Jove repeatedly ordered Cuevas not to
reach for the gun. Cuevas ignored the commands and continued to reach for the gun. In fear for
for his life, Jove tired two to three rounds from his service weapon to prevent Cuevas from
grabbing the gun. He did not believe he struck Cuevas until the last round when
Cuevas said, “Alright already, alright,” and put his hands back above his head. Cuevas stopped
moving but continued to yell profanities at Jove. A responding deputy arrived and recovered the
handgun from Cuevas’ waistband. Cuevas was transported to St. Francis Hospital where he was
pronounced dead at 1:04 am.
Just for clarification that it was not a simple shooting of a guy running away with no other factors to consider. I'm not sure what to think, but I know that it should be important to consider all the facts. Just from what i see in the video no chance this happend, it all went down much too fast! He was just running becouse he wanted to avoid the control. No intention to shoot him at all. So the District Attorney report is fabricated and the ones who contributed to it are liars? I'm wondering if you would agree with this statement. Well he is lying becouse he wanna save his ass this happens ALL THE TIME. And yes most of it is fabricated on the statements of the cop who is trustet. The guy isnt innocent but he was clearly JUST running away try to say all those stuff in like 8 seconds its just plain not possible. Well that's an interesting personal opinion I suppose. Thanks for the alternative viewpoint -- always enjoy reading the creative opinions of others. Cheers Well more like facts mate cheers.
No, it's your opinion as an onlooker. We can only evaluate accounts of facts from people that were there. We can't look at a video and judge with authority what is factual and what isn't. We can hold the opinion that those who were there are liars, of course
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On February 17 2013 05:41 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 05:29 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On February 17 2013 05:26 FallDownMarigold wrote:On February 17 2013 05:22 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On February 17 2013 05:16 FallDownMarigold wrote:I think the OP needs to post the factual analysis:
On October 10, 2010, at 12:23 am., LASD Deputy Julio Jove was traveling north on Long Beach Boulevard when he observed Ernie Ray Campos walking in the northbound lanes of
traffic showing gang signs at passing cars. Several vehicles had to brake and swerve around
Campos to avoid hitting him. At the same time, Eduardo Villa, Jr. was running back and forth
from the east sidewalk to the middle of the street. Jove also observed Johnathan Cuevas standing
on the east sidewalk near both men. Jove pulled over to the east curb and used his driver side
spotlight to illuminate the men. Campos immediately raised his hands in the air and placed them
on the hood of the police car. As Jove opened his driver’s door, Villa walked to the front
passenger door. It appeared to Jove that Villa was attempting to block his View of Cuevas who
was standing behind him on the sidewalk. Based on their unusual behavior, Jove believed they
were setting him up for an ambush. Jove then saw Cuevas pull a handgun from his front
waistband. As Jove jumped out of the police car, Cuevas Walked southbound on the sidewalk with his back to the deputy.
Jove yelled to Cuevas, “Let me see your hands! Let me see your handsl” Cuevas quickly turned
his upper body toward Jove. Fearing that Cuevas was about to shoot him, Jove fired one round
from his service Weapon. Cuevas began running southbound. As Jove gave chase, he saw
Cuevas turn once more and blade his body toward him. Jove ñred another round at Cuevas
fearing that he was still trying to shoot him. Cuevas ran a short distance before falling to the
curb just north of the northeast corner of Josephine Street and Long Beach Boulevard. Cuevas
screamed, “You fucking shot mel” Jove ran up to Cuevas and stood in the number two lane of
traffic on Long Beach Boulevard. He was momentarily blinded by the headlights of oncoming
vehicles. The drivers were honking their horns at him as he stood in the street. He could also
hear Campos and Villa yelling and cursing at him back at the police car. Cuevas was lying on
his stomach with his hands beneath his body at his waistband. He was aggressively moving his
shoulders from side to side. Jove repeatedly ordered Cuevas to, “Let me see your hands, let me
see your handsl” Cuevas did not comply and continued to move his body While screaming,
“Fuck you! Fuck you! You fucking shot me, you fucking shot rnel”
Cuevas began “messing with his waistband” then rolled toward his left shoulder. His right
shoulder and knee came off the ground. Cuevas was looking directly at Jove while ignoring his
commands to show his hands. Jove believed that Cuevas was attempting to roll over in order to
pull the gun from beneath his body and shoot him. He fired a third round at Cuevas. Cuevas
rolled onto his back and put his hands above his head. Jove saw the gun falling out of Cuevas’
waistband.l Cuevas arched his back While cursing at Jove and complaining of pain. Jove
ordered Cuevas to stop moving several times before it appeared to Jove that he was complying.
Jove turned his attention to Campos and Villa and ordered them to their knees. Cuevas began to
move again and his hands lowered toward his waistband. Jove repeatedly ordered Cuevas not to
reach for the gun. Cuevas ignored the commands and continued to reach for the gun. In fear for
for his life, Jove tired two to three rounds from his service weapon to prevent Cuevas from
grabbing the gun. He did not believe he struck Cuevas until the last round when
Cuevas said, “Alright already, alright,” and put his hands back above his head. Cuevas stopped
moving but continued to yell profanities at Jove. A responding deputy arrived and recovered the
handgun from Cuevas’ waistband. Cuevas was transported to St. Francis Hospital where he was
pronounced dead at 1:04 am.
Just for clarification that it was not a simple shooting of a guy running away with no other factors to consider. I'm not sure what to think, but I know that it should be important to consider all the facts. Just from what i see in the video no chance this happend, it all went down much too fast! He was just running becouse he wanted to avoid the control. No intention to shoot him at all. So the District Attorney report is fabricated and the ones who contributed to it are liars? I'm wondering if you would agree with this statement. Well he is lying becouse he wanna save his ass this happens ALL THE TIME. And yes most of it is fabricated on the statements of the cop who is trustet. The guy isnt innocent but he was clearly JUST running away try to say all those stuff in like 8 seconds its just plain not possible. He pulled a gun on the cops then ran away. Any actions he took afterwards that even suggested he was going to use it would have to be taken seriously.
Or the cops thought he pulled a gun but he didn't have one at all, and they put a drop gun on him once they realized what had happened.
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On February 17 2013 05:52 HunterX11 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 05:41 JonnyBNoHo wrote:On February 17 2013 05:29 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On February 17 2013 05:26 FallDownMarigold wrote:On February 17 2013 05:22 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On February 17 2013 05:16 FallDownMarigold wrote:I think the OP needs to post the factual analysis:
On October 10, 2010, at 12:23 am., LASD Deputy Julio Jove was traveling north on Long Beach Boulevard when he observed Ernie Ray Campos walking in the northbound lanes of
traffic showing gang signs at passing cars. Several vehicles had to brake and swerve around
Campos to avoid hitting him. At the same time, Eduardo Villa, Jr. was running back and forth
from the east sidewalk to the middle of the street. Jove also observed Johnathan Cuevas standing
on the east sidewalk near both men. Jove pulled over to the east curb and used his driver side
spotlight to illuminate the men. Campos immediately raised his hands in the air and placed them
on the hood of the police car. As Jove opened his driver’s door, Villa walked to the front
passenger door. It appeared to Jove that Villa was attempting to block his View of Cuevas who
was standing behind him on the sidewalk. Based on their unusual behavior, Jove believed they
were setting him up for an ambush. Jove then saw Cuevas pull a handgun from his front
waistband. As Jove jumped out of the police car, Cuevas Walked southbound on the sidewalk with his back to the deputy.
Jove yelled to Cuevas, “Let me see your hands! Let me see your handsl” Cuevas quickly turned
his upper body toward Jove. Fearing that Cuevas was about to shoot him, Jove fired one round
from his service Weapon. Cuevas began running southbound. As Jove gave chase, he saw
Cuevas turn once more and blade his body toward him. Jove ñred another round at Cuevas
fearing that he was still trying to shoot him. Cuevas ran a short distance before falling to the
curb just north of the northeast corner of Josephine Street and Long Beach Boulevard. Cuevas
screamed, “You fucking shot mel” Jove ran up to Cuevas and stood in the number two lane of
traffic on Long Beach Boulevard. He was momentarily blinded by the headlights of oncoming
vehicles. The drivers were honking their horns at him as he stood in the street. He could also
hear Campos and Villa yelling and cursing at him back at the police car. Cuevas was lying on
his stomach with his hands beneath his body at his waistband. He was aggressively moving his
shoulders from side to side. Jove repeatedly ordered Cuevas to, “Let me see your hands, let me
see your handsl” Cuevas did not comply and continued to move his body While screaming,
“Fuck you! Fuck you! You fucking shot me, you fucking shot rnel”
Cuevas began “messing with his waistband” then rolled toward his left shoulder. His right
shoulder and knee came off the ground. Cuevas was looking directly at Jove while ignoring his
commands to show his hands. Jove believed that Cuevas was attempting to roll over in order to
pull the gun from beneath his body and shoot him. He fired a third round at Cuevas. Cuevas
rolled onto his back and put his hands above his head. Jove saw the gun falling out of Cuevas’
waistband.l Cuevas arched his back While cursing at Jove and complaining of pain. Jove
ordered Cuevas to stop moving several times before it appeared to Jove that he was complying.
Jove turned his attention to Campos and Villa and ordered them to their knees. Cuevas began to
move again and his hands lowered toward his waistband. Jove repeatedly ordered Cuevas not to
reach for the gun. Cuevas ignored the commands and continued to reach for the gun. In fear for
for his life, Jove tired two to three rounds from his service weapon to prevent Cuevas from
grabbing the gun. He did not believe he struck Cuevas until the last round when
Cuevas said, “Alright already, alright,” and put his hands back above his head. Cuevas stopped
moving but continued to yell profanities at Jove. A responding deputy arrived and recovered the
handgun from Cuevas’ waistband. Cuevas was transported to St. Francis Hospital where he was
pronounced dead at 1:04 am.
Just for clarification that it was not a simple shooting of a guy running away with no other factors to consider. I'm not sure what to think, but I know that it should be important to consider all the facts. Just from what i see in the video no chance this happend, it all went down much too fast! He was just running becouse he wanted to avoid the control. No intention to shoot him at all. So the District Attorney report is fabricated and the ones who contributed to it are liars? I'm wondering if you would agree with this statement. Well he is lying becouse he wanna save his ass this happens ALL THE TIME. And yes most of it is fabricated on the statements of the cop who is trustet. The guy isnt innocent but he was clearly JUST running away try to say all those stuff in like 8 seconds its just plain not possible. He pulled a gun on the cops then ran away. Any actions he took afterwards that even suggested he was going to use it would have to be taken seriously. Or the cops thought he pulled a gun but he didn't have one at all, and they put a drop gun on him once they realized what had happened.
Funny the camera just looked at the parking lot after the incident cover up anyone?
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On February 17 2013 05:48 hzflank wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 05:37 Millitron wrote:On February 17 2013 04:02 [Agony]x90 wrote:On February 17 2013 03:59 number01 wrote:On February 17 2013 03:56 [Agony]x90 wrote:On February 17 2013 03:45 number01 wrote:
The cop is obviously a murderer and he should be treated as one. Seeing more situations like this makes me want to support the acquisition of weapons for civilians even more. The fact that the victim had a gun meant that the cop was correct in his original assessment. I've said this before in the thread, but no matter who you are, you do not approach a cop if they are pulling you over. You are not allowed to step out of your vehicle if you are pulled over and they will approach your vehicle with a hand on their holster. Its nothing personal, but they don't know who you are. Once he made the determination that the civilian had a gun, he suddenly became much more dangerous. The person was flashing gang signs while jay walking at midnight. His two buddies proceeded to surround the cop vehicle when they should've waited where they were for further instruction. Did the cop make an error? HELL YES. Was it his fault? Not entirely. Had the individuals not acted so erratically and stated immediately that they had a firearm on hand, then likely this would not have happened. The result of their behavior resulted in a fight or flight situation for both the victim and the cop. The cop is supposed to be trained to fight that instinct, but consider the amount of time the passed. It takes several times longer to read the police report description than the event actually lasted. His adrenaline would've been pumping and he had very little context prior to the situation, thus resulting in poor judgement. It is entirely possible and very likely that the LAPD is corrupt and abusive, but this is not one of the cases. This is, in my opinion, a situation that proceeded as a result of natural fears, errors, threats, etc. and not the result of a cop attempting to abuse his power. Do you really believe what you type? are you that naive? I don't understand. You want to give more people guns? The European's in this thread always talk about their police forces, but I don't think we're being entirely fair to American police. They have to expect weapons no matter who they pull over.This may be true in other nations, but its much more true in our country. Its additional duress on the cop. I don't think its fair if you call me naive if you believe that more guns would be the proper solution. This idea simply isn't true. Yes, people in the US have lots of guns. But they do not shoot cops every chance they get, even criminals don't. http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2012/november/report-on-law-enforcement-officer-deaths-released/report-on-law-enforcement-officer-deaths-releasedIn 2011, only 72 cops in the entire country were feloniously killed in the line of duty. It is not some constant, extreme threat, even in LA or Detroit. Only 72? In 2011, zero British cops were killed in the line of duty. I posted this earlier but most would of missed it, and I only compared the USA to the UK, but you have roughly 20 cops dying on duty for each one that we have (adjusted for population). Being a cop in the USA is dangerous.
Yeah and delivering pizzas in the USA is even more dangerous. Most cops who die in the line of duty die in car accidents (including being hit by cars while on foot).
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Yeah to be fair, its not only 72 it is FUCK 72!!!!!!!!!.
However i have hard time beliving he pulled a gun on policeman when there was no fingerprints found. That sounds more like planting the gun. People make up stories, make fals claims and aquasations all the time. Law enforcment officails help each other. Just because something is in a report doesnt make it true.
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On February 17 2013 05:54 Silvanel wrote:
Yeah to be fair, its not only 72 it is FUCK 72!!!!!!!!!.
However i have hard time beliving he pulled a gun on policeman when there was no fingerprints found. That sounds more like planting the gun. People make up stories, make fals claims and aquasations all the time. Law enforcment officails help each other. Just because something is in a report doesnt make it true.
Fair opinion. To play devil's advocate, consider: Just because people are capable of making up stories and false claims does not mean they have done so in this case.
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Hope he goes in jail for life.
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