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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18204 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-13 13:17:04
January 13 2018 13:15 GMT
#193641
On January 13 2018 22:10 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2018 20:39 Leporello wrote:
I love that the WSJ reports the President of the United States paid a pornstar $150,000 to shut her up, and it doesn't even interrupt the conversation.

He's already a playboy and known to be maritally unfaithful with past wives. This one is just why he paid her at all and what she could've known. In today's news cycle, that's barely a day of headlines until he does something on the order of calling some countries shitholes.

Oh how times have changed. When Bill got a blowjob by an intern, a confessional committee had to investigate it. When Trump had extramarital something with a pornstar, it's just business as usual.

Aren't you Mr Family Values?

E: and just to be clear, I couldn't give a fuck what Donald did with Ms. Daniels, but I also didn't give a fuck what Clinton did with Ms. Lewinsky.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 13 2018 13:17 GMT
#193642
On January 13 2018 22:15 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2018 22:10 Danglars wrote:
On January 13 2018 20:39 Leporello wrote:
I love that the WSJ reports the President of the United States paid a pornstar $150,000 to shut her up, and it doesn't even interrupt the conversation.

He's already a playboy and known to be maritally unfaithful with past wives. This one is just why he paid her at all and what she could've known. In today's news cycle, that's barely a day of headlines until he does something on the order of calling some countries shitholes.

Oh how times have changed. When Bill got a blowjob by an intern, a confessional committee had to investigate it. When Trump had extramarital something with a pornstar, it's just business as usual.

Aren't you Mr Family Values?

Bill lied under oath about a blowjob with an intern lol.

There wasn't a Family Values candidate in the general.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18204 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-13 13:31:24
January 13 2018 13:26 GMT
#193643
On January 13 2018 22:17 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2018 22:15 Acrofales wrote:
On January 13 2018 22:10 Danglars wrote:
On January 13 2018 20:39 Leporello wrote:
I love that the WSJ reports the President of the United States paid a pornstar $150,000 to shut her up, and it doesn't even interrupt the conversation.

He's already a playboy and known to be maritally unfaithful with past wives. This one is just why he paid her at all and what she could've known. In today's news cycle, that's barely a day of headlines until he does something on the order of calling some countries shitholes.

Oh how times have changed. When Bill got a blowjob by an intern, a confessional committee had to investigate it. When Trump had extramarital something with a pornstar, it's just business as usual.

Aren't you Mr Family Values?

Bill lied under oath about a blowjob with an intern lol.

There wasn't a Family Values candidate in the general.

He only lied under oath after there was a committee investigation. I know he was impeached for lying about getting a blowjob (and the impeachment was justified. Fucking idio), but he only even got the opportunity to lie under oath because it was "congressional investigation worthy" to question him about a blowjob.

E: anyway, I'm not commenting because I think you should have voted differently. I'm commenting because you, Mr Family Values, are defending someone for having extra-marital relations. That, as well as about a hundred other things Trump repeatedly does should sicken you a lot more than it sickens me. Yet you keep putting your head on the chopping block for him. And I don't understand why.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-13 13:59:10
January 13 2018 13:40 GMT
#193644
On January 13 2018 20:39 Leporello wrote:
I love that the WSJ reports the President of the United States paid a pornstar $150,000 to shut her up, and it doesn't even interrupt the conversation.

on the list of things trump did, this is just too mild to matter.
my only real question on the matter is: why would he want her to be silent at all? Trump seems more the type to brag about banging a pornstar.

acrofales: keep in mind this affair of trump's happened a decade ago.
and as to how people reconcile these things: that's partisanship/tribalism for you. There's a set of well documented psychological/sociological mechanisms that cover this kind of behavior, I could probably dig up some links if you want.
it is indeed rather surprising how far some will go to back their sides' people even if they otherwise wouldn't meet their standards.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 13 2018 13:59 GMT
#193645
On January 13 2018 22:26 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2018 22:17 Danglars wrote:
On January 13 2018 22:15 Acrofales wrote:
On January 13 2018 22:10 Danglars wrote:
On January 13 2018 20:39 Leporello wrote:
I love that the WSJ reports the President of the United States paid a pornstar $150,000 to shut her up, and it doesn't even interrupt the conversation.

He's already a playboy and known to be maritally unfaithful with past wives. This one is just why he paid her at all and what she could've known. In today's news cycle, that's barely a day of headlines until he does something on the order of calling some countries shitholes.

Oh how times have changed. When Bill got a blowjob by an intern, a confessional committee had to investigate it. When Trump had extramarital something with a pornstar, it's just business as usual.

Aren't you Mr Family Values?

Bill lied under oath about a blowjob with an intern lol.

There wasn't a Family Values candidate in the general.

He only lied under oath after there was a committee investigation. I know he was impeached for lying about getting a blowjob (and the impeachment was justified. Fucking idio), but he only even got the opportunity to lie under oath because it was "congressional investigation worthy" to question him about a blowjob.

E: anyway, I'm not commenting because I think you should have voted differently. I'm commenting because you, Mr Family Values, are defending someone for having extra-marital relations. That, as well as about a hundred other things Trump repeatedly does should sicken you a lot more than it sickens me. Yet you keep putting your head on the chopping block for him. And I don't understand why.

Oh, please. I’m commenting on why it isn’t a news story/isn’t as big of a news story. Only an idiot would think I’m defending his extra-marital relations.

You’re also wrong about how he got the opportunity to lie under oath. It was not a congressional inquiry. It was not as a consequence of congress investigating a blowjob. Try again.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
January 13 2018 18:24 GMT
#193646
So this is happening.

zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-13 18:29:53
January 13 2018 18:29 GMT
#193647
reports i'm hearing are saying it's not an actual alert; that it's just a drill that sent out the wrong message. in point of fact, the responses themselves to that tweet are saying that; did you check those before posting?
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-13 18:33:05
January 13 2018 18:32 GMT
#193648
Well eventually a congressman put out a message saying they confirmed there is no incoming missile. I wonder if they were hacked or what. Either way, I am sure there were a lot of panicking people. The real system put out a real alert, there was no way for the people receiving it to not know it was in error.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-13 18:35:23
January 13 2018 18:33 GMT
#193649
On January 14 2018 03:32 Saryph wrote:
Well eventually a congressman put out a message saying they confirmed there is no incoming missile. I wonder if they were hacked or what. Either way, I am sure there were a lot of panicking people. The real system put out a real alert, there was no way for the people receiving it to not know it was in error.

true; but you should note that in your post and edit it appropriately, so as to not needlessly spread panic.
there's no need to still have it up there without such notes.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9636 Posts
January 13 2018 18:35 GMT
#193650
don’t mind him he can’t help himself but tell people how to post.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-13 18:37:58
January 13 2018 18:37 GMT
#193651
On January 14 2018 03:35 brian wrote:
don’t mind him he can’t help himself but tell people how to post.

this is not something where careless posting is acceptable; so i'm entirely in the rgiht to tell him to correct it.
it's very wrong of you to try to prevent that from happening; or to discourage people from trying to get it done.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23607 Posts
January 13 2018 18:38 GMT
#193652
I feel like however long it takes someone to decipher what happened is a reasonable amount of panic.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22071 Posts
January 13 2018 18:41 GMT
#193653
On January 14 2018 03:35 brian wrote:
don’t mind him he can’t help himself but tell people how to post.

Considering the nature of the message I kinda agree with him in this case.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Ryzel
Profile Joined December 2012
United States540 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-13 18:44:54
January 13 2018 18:44 GMT
#193654
At the time of his post there was no one credible saying it was fake. This all happened very quickly and the 5 minutes it took for zlefin to respond was when evidence confirming its falsehood was made apparent.

A retroactive edit with an update is in order but any panic in that span of time was entirely justified. Cut the guy some goddamn slack.
Hakuna Matata B*tches
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-13 18:46:51
January 13 2018 18:45 GMT
#193655
On January 14 2018 03:44 Ryzel wrote:
At the time of his post there was no one credible saying it was fake. This all happened very quickly and the 5 minutes it took for zlefin to respond was when evidence confirming its falsehood was made apparent.

A retroactive edit with an update is an order but any panic in that span of time was entirely justified. Cut the guy some goddamn slack.

you missed the point. noone disputes that panic in that tmie is justified; but it's also the case that the eidt shoudl and MUST be made once it's confirmed to be false; and he made a post wherein he acknolwedged it has now been proven false, which means he should hvae immediately edited the original post to so note that. rather than simply wanderin goff and leaving an actual emergency warning post up that he knew to not be an actual emergency.
you do NOT leave false emergency notifications up.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-13 18:47:55
January 13 2018 18:47 GMT
#193656
What a major screwup...If a launch ever actually happens they now have to add 'it's really really really really not a drill'

Also I'd have no clue what to do when receiving that message.
Neosteel Enthusiast
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-13 18:53:39
January 13 2018 18:52 GMT
#193657
On January 14 2018 03:47 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
What a major screwup...If a launch ever actually happens they now have to add 'it's really really really really not a drill'

Also I'd have no clue what to do when receiving that message.

follow the standard emergency protocols for the situation.
go to the nearest shelter, while listening to whatever news sources you have.
if you don't know where the nearest shelter is; just go to the safest place you can find: indoor/basement. iirc for this kind of thing. hide under something sturdy.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-13 18:54:44
January 13 2018 18:54 GMT
#193658
Great way to wake up, thats for sure.

Footage from TV when the alert hit.
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/952246857933221888/video/1
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
January 13 2018 19:10 GMT
#193659
You know what's a great documentary? The Fog of War by Errol Morris. Maybe we need some real panic in order to address the issue of nuclear war. Imagine if hackers had hacked into the North Korean or Chinese threat relay system.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
January 13 2018 19:17 GMT
#193660
On January 14 2018 03:35 brian wrote:
don’t mind him he can’t help himself but tell people how to post.


People in the affected region seeing this might absolutely flip their s***.
Zlef is trying to ensure that doesn't happen. That's quite reasonable.
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