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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Introvert
United States5082 Posts
On November 07 2017 10:32 Danglars wrote: We’re coming up in the anniversary! I remember those sweet old days before Trump started messing with people’s sanity. Recollections are also organized by time reported. Esquire Besides bringing back memories, this was a fascinating read. Look at how all the Clinton people took it. "Do I have to leave the country?" Their arrogance made them unhinged. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
A Russian lawyer who met with President Donald Trump’s oldest son last year says he indicated that a law targeting Russia could be re-examined if his father won the election and asked her for written evidence that illegal proceeds went to Hillary Clinton’s campaign. The lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, said in a two-and-a-half-hour interview in Moscow that she would tell these and other things to the Senate Judiciary Committee on condition that her answers be made public, something it hasn’t agreed to. She has received scores of questions from the committee, which is investigating possible collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign. Veselnitskaya said she’s also ready -- if asked -- to testify to Special Counsel Robert Mueller. www.yahoo.com | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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YumYumGranola
Canada346 Posts
On November 07 2017 13:31 NeoIllusions wrote: Anyone want to take a stab at why Natalia Veselnitskaya wants to testify? She's a Russian national, so it's not like she's being forced here. Also, I can't imagine her sworn testimony is any good for the Trump administration. Stab in the dark? Putin has realized that Trump has no political capital to remove sanctions on Russia, so now he's going to go for the next best thing and generally sow chaos by revealing his connections with Trump. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On November 07 2017 13:33 YumYumGranola wrote: Stab in the dark? Putin has realized that Trump has no political capital to remove sanctions on Russia, so now he's going to go for the next best thing and generally sow chaos by revealing his connections with Trump. I initially thought that but that's quite an aggressive move. Putin has all to benefit by slow playing this and letting the Trump/Russia issue drag as long as possible. Accelerating things makes it seem like America could finally get their ducks in order, accept Russian interference occurred, and react accordingly. Well, I guess that final part really depends on GOP Congress. | ||
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doomdonker
90 Posts
On November 07 2017 13:33 YumYumGranola wrote: Stab in the dark? Putin has realized that Trump has no political capital to remove sanctions on Russia, so now he's going to go for the next best thing and generally sow chaos by revealing his connections with Trump. That's basically it. Notice that she's willing to fuck with Trump but refuses to let Russia accept any responsibility for anything. On November 07 2017 13:02 LegalLord wrote: Irony is if that dumbass Carter Page kept his mouth shut throughout all of this he would probably just slip under the radar and avoid any trouble. But evidently he’s willing to go to prison for his 15 minutes of fame. Carter Page would have been in serious trouble regardless of how quiet he stayed, he was implicated heavily. In fact, he went straight to the FBI when he was first seriously implicated in the media. Chances are that he's snitching already and is just being a weirdo doofus about it in public. I still don't get why someone would humiliate himself like this but it is quite fun to watch. | ||
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Wulfey_LA
932 Posts
On November 07 2017 13:33 YumYumGranola wrote: Stab in the dark? Putin has realized that Trump has no political capital to remove sanctions on Russia, so now he's going to go for the next best thing and generally sow chaos by revealing his connections with Trump. I think this was the hedge from the beginning. Every Russian reach out has thus far had multiple witnesses and documentary evidence. The only thing better than a Russia-friendly President is a Russia-compromised President. Papadoulos, Page, Flynn, Clovis, all these imbeciles left paper trails and gleefully leapt into offered Ruskie help. The help may have been genuine, but it was also open enough to sow a future doom. It can be both at the same time. | ||
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YumYumGranola
Canada346 Posts
On November 07 2017 13:52 Wulfey_LA wrote: I think this was the hedge from the beginning. Every Russian reach out has thus far had multiple witnesses and documentary evidence. The only thing better than a Russia-friendly President is a Russia-compromised President. Papadoulos, Page, Flynn, Clovis, all these imbeciles left paper trails and gleefully leapt into offered Ruskie help. The help may have been genuine, but it was also open enough to sow a future doom. It can be both at the same time. Isn't there some saying about not getting involved with criminals, because once you do they now can blackmail you? | ||
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Wulfey_LA
932 Posts
On November 07 2017 14:05 YumYumGranola wrote: Isn't there some saying about not getting involved with criminals, because once you do they now can blackmail you? The guys on team-Russia were laying all kinds of kompromat whenever they could. Only a team as dumb as Trump's would dare answer an email that said this. Sure, the Ruskies did help (Wikileaks notification will be revealed soon), but the Ruskies also made sure to taint Trump as a hedge. From Goldstone to DonJR: This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin. What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly? I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/11/us/politics/donald-trump-jr-email-text.html | ||
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doomdonker
90 Posts
On November 07 2017 14:05 YumYumGranola wrote: Isn't there some saying about not getting involved with criminals, because once you do they now can blackmail you? The idiocy about Trump's team was the wrote down their conspiracy. If there wasn't email proof of a conspiracy, you could easily argue that the media is going mental and is fake news. When you've actually got an email trail that use headings like "INFO FROM RUSSIA" and "RUSSIANS CAN GIVE US HILLARY'S EMAILS", that doesn't work except with the Fox News crowd. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22703 Posts
Failing that its general chaos and furthering the divide within US politics and that is aided by giving breadcrumbs to the investigation. At this point Trump's a lame duck, him getting impeached over treason with Russia (yes, that's a hyperbole) would still be a win for Russia in furthering chaos in the US. | ||
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SoSexy
Italy3725 Posts
Karma, baby. Sweet, sweet, Karma. | ||
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brian
United States9644 Posts
ultimately it probably depends on the persons visability in a company vis a vis their public image i’d imagine. i don’t know if that’s something i can support, losing a job for the middle finger. but i guess it really does depend on the visibility. apparently she was a government contractor, but that’s a title so wide in range as to be meaningless. my few seconds of googling didn’t turn up any specifics. that is pretty hilarious though. you have to imagine it happens quite frequently, given the area. | ||
Nixer
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
I'm quite sure she's not in the slums or the gulag. Yet. | ||
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brian
United States9644 Posts
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ZerOCoolSC2
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On November 07 2017 22:57 brian wrote: any? job. imo. a livelihood isn’t so easy to replace when you’ve got rent to pay. shrug. I would gladly quit any job that required me to tolerate treason. Easy. Even if I actually did need it for livelihood. What happened to people? We went from generations that volunteered to die around the world. And now we're just like, "but my livelihood". Not singling you, just pontificating. edit: because that's most depressing about Trump. The complacency. The obviousness with which any other generation would've just shut this shit down, really quick. | ||
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brian
United States9644 Posts
On November 07 2017 23:07 Leporello wrote: I would gladly quit any job that required me to tolerate treason. Easy. Even if I actually did need it for livelihood. What happened to people? We went from generations that volunteered to die around the world. And now we're just like, "but my livelihood". Not singling you, just pontificating. edit: because that's most depressing about Trump. The complacency. The obviousness with which any other generation would've just shut this shit down, really quick. because my rent is nearly 2k/mo. who can afford to not have a job? it’s surreal to me that you think any job is expendable. if i lost my job id quickly find myself bankrupt and homeless. | ||
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