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Read the rules in the OP before posting, please.

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kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
November 01 2017 22:46 GMT
#182341
'Center-leaning segment' absolutely smacks of confirmation bias and proves why these discussions over the 'left' are so pointless.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 01 2017 22:50 GMT
#182342
On November 02 2017 07:44 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Remember what I said yesterday about some posters harping on people that only their internet circle or their opposition care about?

"A professor at Middleburry" and "Charles Murray" fall squarely into that category.

When your trade is people and not ideas, you're stopped from considering ideas without knowing what people are saying them.

I invite you to take the plunge and tell me what you think are the acceptable bounds of debate on college campuses.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 01 2017 22:52 GMT
#182343
On November 02 2017 07:42 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2017 07:30 NeoIllusions wrote:
For better understanding, I'd like to know what liberal ideas American universities teach that are threatening and/or what conservative ideas American universities aren't instilling to the next generation.


Bible says god created the earth for man to dominate --> Climate change isn't real

Bible says god created humans directly, not through evolution --> Evolution isn't real

Kinda puts universities in a tough position.

Well, I'd hope Danglars doesn't think American universities need more Bible in their curriculum. But I'll wait for the many to speak for himself about what it is universities are falling short in his eyes.
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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
November 01 2017 23:01 GMT
#182344
Will we ever reach impeachment?
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24154 Posts
November 01 2017 23:04 GMT
#182345
Roy Moore isn't heading up some radical evangelical upsurge. The far greater threat is illiberality taught to college students of the next generation.


lol

Ignore the bigoted Republican (soon to be) Senator, it's shrouded statues and college professors which are the real threat to America.

walks like a duck...
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-01 23:07:13
November 01 2017 23:06 GMT
#182346
On November 02 2017 07:50 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2017 07:44 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Remember what I said yesterday about some posters harping on people that only their internet circle or their opposition care about?

"A professor at Middleburry" and "Charles Murray" fall squarely into that category.

When your trade is people and not ideas, you're stopped from considering ideas without knowing what people are saying them.

I invite you to take the plunge and tell me what you think are the acceptable bounds of debate on college campuses.

which has nothing to do with what he was talking about. He's just saying that some random prof at some random unknown university isn't someone with a huge following or any kind of influence.
Also what warding was getting at. They're basicly saying those are shit ideas but they're not a threat simply due to them being so insignificant.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
November 01 2017 23:07 GMT
#182347
On November 02 2017 07:50 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2017 07:44 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Remember what I said yesterday about some posters harping on people that only their internet circle or their opposition care about?

"A professor at Middleburry" and "Charles Murray" fall squarely into that category.

When your trade is people and not ideas, you're stopped from considering ideas without knowing what people are saying them.

I invite you to take the plunge and tell me what you think are the acceptable bounds of debate on college campuses.

Maybe I had a boring college experience, but college should be about college first and foremost.

So what is the acceptable bounds of debate? It seems like a rather dumb subject to begin with, because college campuses, and the people attending them, are not exactly there for "debate" as a whole. Which puts it as an activity for some select classes within the confines of the course material, or an extracurricular activity organized by sutdents, and both will fall to the whims or tolerance of the campus administration.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 01 2017 23:09 GMT
#182348
On November 02 2017 08:06 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2017 07:50 Danglars wrote:
On November 02 2017 07:44 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Remember what I said yesterday about some posters harping on people that only their internet circle or their opposition care about?

"A professor at Middleburry" and "Charles Murray" fall squarely into that category.

When your trade is people and not ideas, you're stopped from considering ideas without knowing what people are saying them.

I invite you to take the plunge and tell me what you think are the acceptable bounds of debate on college campuses.

which has nothing to do with what he was talking about. He's just saying that some random prof at some random unknown university isn't someone with a huge following or any kind of influence.
Also what warding was getting at. They're basicly saying those are shit ideas but they're not a threat simply due to them being so insignificant.

Yeah, he had a lazy angle that was wrong. I was bringing up a point I was reminded of from LegalLord's post. He herp derps on the people involved because he's too much of a coward to make a definitive statement.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 01 2017 23:11 GMT
#182349
On November 02 2017 07:14 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2017 06:51 xDaunt wrote:
No, you all did not "see" any of that. You imagined it.


Show nested quote +
On November 02 2017 06:48 KwarK wrote:
You've spent the last week insisting that the majority of conservative politicians aren't real conservatives.
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2017 10:18 xDaunt wrote:
On October 31 2017 10:14 GreenHorizons wrote:
Can you point to examples (other than Rand Paul) of not-RINO's?

I’d have to think about it. None really comes to mind immediately. Not saying that they aren’t out there, but I’d have to give the question some thought and research.


Show nested quote +
On November 02 2017 06:48 KwarK wrote:
Hell, you said the last conservative president before Trump wasn't a real conservative.
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2017 10:16 xDaunt wrote:
The Bushes are the patriarchs of RINOs.


You keep playing "who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes!?" as if you have any shred of credibility with anyone here and I just don't understand why. You try to lie your way out of naked lies and it never works and yet you still keep trying to do it.

At a certain point it's not even gaslighting, it's just delusion.

This is why you're a dishonest joke. You don't even cite right the posts. You take everything out of context. And I knew that you would do it, too, which is why I edited my original post and added the precise citations.

On November 02 2017 06:51 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2017 06:48 KwarK wrote:
On November 02 2017 06:44 xDaunt wrote:
On November 02 2017 06:30 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 02 2017 06:20 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On November 02 2017 05:57 Sermokala wrote:
I'm with danglers on a lot of this. I don't participate in this thread as much as I used to because any dissent from leftist viewpoints is responded with insults and name calling first, with actual arguments coming much further behind it. I get it that trump's election gives people an excuse for this but I just don't see the point in trying to be a "reasonable conservative" when no one has any tolerance for that.

There are actually a good number of conservative posters on this thread, if I recall. They just aren't xDaunt, Danglars or RIK, so somehow get bunched into the "left".


Maybe the right needs fewer purity tests

This statement belies such a shitty understanding of the conservative posters (and conservatism in general) in this thread that I don't even know where to begin.

You've spent the last week insisting that the majority of conservative politicians aren't real conservatives. We all saw you. Hell, you said the last conservative president before Trump wasn't a real conservative.

No, you all did not "see" any of that. You imagined it. And I already clarified what I said twice -- once for GH and once for one of the other mods. Why am I not surprised that you are the one who still doesn't get it?

Just to cut to the chase: Look here and here.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-01 23:13:01
November 01 2017 23:12 GMT
#182350
On November 02 2017 08:07 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2017 07:50 Danglars wrote:
On November 02 2017 07:44 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Remember what I said yesterday about some posters harping on people that only their internet circle or their opposition care about?

"A professor at Middleburry" and "Charles Murray" fall squarely into that category.

When your trade is people and not ideas, you're stopped from considering ideas without knowing what people are saying them.

I invite you to take the plunge and tell me what you think are the acceptable bounds of debate on college campuses.

Maybe I had a boring college experience, but college should be about college first and foremost.

So what is the acceptable bounds of debate? It seems like a rather dumb subject to begin with, because college campuses, and the people attending them, are not exactly there for "debate" as a whole. Which puts it as an activity for some select classes within the confines of the course material, or an extracurricular activity organized by sutdents, and both will fall to the whims or tolerance of the campus administration.

Colleges doing college is free debate and the arena of ideas. You have a poor understanding of the purpose of college, particularly the purpose of the liberal arts. It's not creating some curriculum playground for selecting classes. It's supposed to challenge your worldviews from high school and, from the conflict, develop you into more of an adult. Then maybe you're in the sciences learning about how the world functions mechanically and biologically.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
November 01 2017 23:14 GMT
#182351
On November 02 2017 07:52 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2017 07:42 Mohdoo wrote:
On November 02 2017 07:30 NeoIllusions wrote:
For better understanding, I'd like to know what liberal ideas American universities teach that are threatening and/or what conservative ideas American universities aren't instilling to the next generation.


Bible says god created the earth for man to dominate --> Climate change isn't real

Bible says god created humans directly, not through evolution --> Evolution isn't real

Kinda puts universities in a tough position.

Well, I'd hope Danglars doesn't think American universities need more Bible in their curriculum. But I'll wait for the many to speak for himself about what it is universities are falling short in his eyes.

Wait, there is a creationist and climate change denier on TL?
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-01 23:17:20
November 01 2017 23:15 GMT
#182352
On November 02 2017 08:14 Twinkle Toes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2017 07:52 NeoIllusions wrote:
On November 02 2017 07:42 Mohdoo wrote:
On November 02 2017 07:30 NeoIllusions wrote:
For better understanding, I'd like to know what liberal ideas American universities teach that are threatening and/or what conservative ideas American universities aren't instilling to the next generation.


Bible says god created the earth for man to dominate --> Climate change isn't real

Bible says god created humans directly, not through evolution --> Evolution isn't real

Kinda puts universities in a tough position.

Well, I'd hope Danglars doesn't think American universities need more Bible in their curriculum. But I'll wait for the many to speak for himself about what it is universities are falling short in his eyes.

Wait, there is a creationist and climate change denier on TL?

There are at least a few and there used to be quite a few more in the past.

Edit: Maybe not so much on the creationist angle, but definitely on the climate change one. Most of the "religious" posters don't come around much anymore
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 01 2017 23:16 GMT
#182353
On November 02 2017 08:14 Twinkle Toes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2017 07:52 NeoIllusions wrote:
On November 02 2017 07:42 Mohdoo wrote:
On November 02 2017 07:30 NeoIllusions wrote:
For better understanding, I'd like to know what liberal ideas American universities teach that are threatening and/or what conservative ideas American universities aren't instilling to the next generation.


Bible says god created the earth for man to dominate --> Climate change isn't real

Bible says god created humans directly, not through evolution --> Evolution isn't real

Kinda puts universities in a tough position.

Well, I'd hope Danglars doesn't think American universities need more Bible in their curriculum. But I'll wait for the many to speak for himself about what it is universities are falling short in his eyes.

Wait, there is a creationist and climate change denier on TL?

Oh yes. In this thread all the time.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24154 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-01 23:25:58
November 01 2017 23:16 GMT
#182354
On November 02 2017 08:11 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2017 07:14 KwarK wrote:
On November 02 2017 06:51 xDaunt wrote:
No, you all did not "see" any of that. You imagined it.


On November 02 2017 06:48 KwarK wrote:
You've spent the last week insisting that the majority of conservative politicians aren't real conservatives.
On October 31 2017 10:18 xDaunt wrote:
On October 31 2017 10:14 GreenHorizons wrote:
Can you point to examples (other than Rand Paul) of not-RINO's?

I’d have to think about it. None really comes to mind immediately. Not saying that they aren’t out there, but I’d have to give the question some thought and research.


On November 02 2017 06:48 KwarK wrote:
Hell, you said the last conservative president before Trump wasn't a real conservative.
On October 31 2017 10:16 xDaunt wrote:
The Bushes are the patriarchs of RINOs.


You keep playing "who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes!?" as if you have any shred of credibility with anyone here and I just don't understand why. You try to lie your way out of naked lies and it never works and yet you still keep trying to do it.

At a certain point it's not even gaslighting, it's just delusion.

This is why you're a dishonest joke. You don't even cite right the posts. You take everything out of context. And I knew that you would do it, too, which is why I edited my original post and added the precise citations.

Show nested quote +
On November 02 2017 06:51 xDaunt wrote:
On November 02 2017 06:48 KwarK wrote:
On November 02 2017 06:44 xDaunt wrote:
On November 02 2017 06:30 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 02 2017 06:20 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On November 02 2017 05:57 Sermokala wrote:
I'm with danglers on a lot of this. I don't participate in this thread as much as I used to because any dissent from leftist viewpoints is responded with insults and name calling first, with actual arguments coming much further behind it. I get it that trump's election gives people an excuse for this but I just don't see the point in trying to be a "reasonable conservative" when no one has any tolerance for that.

There are actually a good number of conservative posters on this thread, if I recall. They just aren't xDaunt, Danglars or RIK, so somehow get bunched into the "left".


Maybe the right needs fewer purity tests

This statement belies such a shitty understanding of the conservative posters (and conservatism in general) in this thread that I don't even know where to begin.

You've spent the last week insisting that the majority of conservative politicians aren't real conservatives. We all saw you. Hell, you said the last conservative president before Trump wasn't a real conservative.

No, you all did not "see" any of that. You imagined it. And I already clarified what I said twice -- once for GH and once for one of the other mods. Why am I not surprised that you are the one who still doesn't get it?

Just to cut to the chase: Look here and here.


Maybe it's my browser or something, but those don't link to what you're claiming they do. We never really finished that conversation though, so I can't defend you on this one.

EDIT: Figured out I had to scroll further down. I think it's fair to point out that you can't name Republicans that you think exemplify Conservatives or Not-RINOs on the national political stage. Then it's also reasonable to say there likely aren't many/any (beyond the one you named) if an educated conservative like yourself has none in their mind when they accuse others of not living up to their imagined Republican/Conservative.

Like a purity test that you don't know anyone (save Rand Paul) who passed.

I'll give you that sometimes Kwark does sort of what you accuse him of (though not just to us), this isn't one of those times by any sensible measure though.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
November 01 2017 23:17 GMT
#182355
On November 02 2017 08:01 Twinkle Toes wrote:
Will we ever reach impeachment?

possible, unknown at this time.
we're still quite distant from it.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-01 23:26:30
November 01 2017 23:25 GMT
#182356
Religious Conservatives def have a fear of ideas from "the left" corrupting their youth.
Never Knows Best.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-01 23:33:06
November 01 2017 23:26 GMT
#182357
On November 02 2017 08:16 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2017 08:11 xDaunt wrote:
On November 02 2017 07:14 KwarK wrote:
On November 02 2017 06:51 xDaunt wrote:
No, you all did not "see" any of that. You imagined it.


On November 02 2017 06:48 KwarK wrote:
You've spent the last week insisting that the majority of conservative politicians aren't real conservatives.
On October 31 2017 10:18 xDaunt wrote:
On October 31 2017 10:14 GreenHorizons wrote:
Can you point to examples (other than Rand Paul) of not-RINO's?

I’d have to think about it. None really comes to mind immediately. Not saying that they aren’t out there, but I’d have to give the question some thought and research.


On November 02 2017 06:48 KwarK wrote:
Hell, you said the last conservative president before Trump wasn't a real conservative.
On October 31 2017 10:16 xDaunt wrote:
The Bushes are the patriarchs of RINOs.


You keep playing "who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes!?" as if you have any shred of credibility with anyone here and I just don't understand why. You try to lie your way out of naked lies and it never works and yet you still keep trying to do it.

At a certain point it's not even gaslighting, it's just delusion.

This is why you're a dishonest joke. You don't even cite right the posts. You take everything out of context. And I knew that you would do it, too, which is why I edited my original post and added the precise citations.

On November 02 2017 06:51 xDaunt wrote:
On November 02 2017 06:48 KwarK wrote:
On November 02 2017 06:44 xDaunt wrote:
On November 02 2017 06:30 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 02 2017 06:20 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On November 02 2017 05:57 Sermokala wrote:
I'm with danglers on a lot of this. I don't participate in this thread as much as I used to because any dissent from leftist viewpoints is responded with insults and name calling first, with actual arguments coming much further behind it. I get it that trump's election gives people an excuse for this but I just don't see the point in trying to be a "reasonable conservative" when no one has any tolerance for that.

There are actually a good number of conservative posters on this thread, if I recall. They just aren't xDaunt, Danglars or RIK, so somehow get bunched into the "left".


Maybe the right needs fewer purity tests

This statement belies such a shitty understanding of the conservative posters (and conservatism in general) in this thread that I don't even know where to begin.

You've spent the last week insisting that the majority of conservative politicians aren't real conservatives. We all saw you. Hell, you said the last conservative president before Trump wasn't a real conservative.

No, you all did not "see" any of that. You imagined it. And I already clarified what I said twice -- once for GH and once for one of the other mods. Why am I not surprised that you are the one who still doesn't get it?

Just to cut to the chase: Look here and here.


Maybe it's my browser or something, but those don't link to what you're claiming they do. We never really finished that conversation though, so I can't defend you on this one.


Looks like I screwed up the linking by adding too many #:

On October 31 2017 10:11 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2017 10:01 GreenHorizons wrote:
On October 31 2017 09:52 xDaunt wrote:
On October 31 2017 09:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
While I can't be surprised by, and I appreciate the answers, Any chance someone who seriously uses the term answers the question?

I use RINO to label all of the republicans who promised and then failed to deliver big conservative policy objectives.


If Rand Paul is who you view as the closest to exemplifying conservative values/policy on the national political scene, and "RINO" references Republicans that don't vote/legislate conservative policy, is it fair to say you are saying Rand Paul is an example of the Republican that others are imitating in name only?

I think you're conflating a couple different concepts. I singled Rand Paul out as a particularly principled conservative (and just to be clear, I singled him out as such because he is principled, not necessarily because I agree with his version of conservatism on all points). RINOs are people who espouse conservative principles while on the campaign trail and then do "other stuff" while in Washington. I think there has to be an element of hypocrisy.


First one.

On October 31 2017 10:55 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2017 10:53 Liquid`Drone wrote:
On October 31 2017 10:18 xDaunt wrote:
On October 31 2017 10:14 GreenHorizons wrote:
On October 31 2017 10:11 xDaunt wrote:
On October 31 2017 10:01 GreenHorizons wrote:
On October 31 2017 09:52 xDaunt wrote:
On October 31 2017 09:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
While I can't be surprised by, and I appreciate the answers, Any chance someone who seriously uses the term answers the question?

I use RINO to label all of the republicans who promised and then failed to deliver big conservative policy objectives.


If Rand Paul is who you view as the closest to exemplifying conservative values/policy on the national political scene, and "RINO" references Republicans that don't vote/legislate conservative policy, is it fair to say you are saying Rand Paul is an example of the Republican that others are imitating in name only?

I think you're conflating a couple different concepts. I singled Rand Paul out as a particularly principled conservative (and just to be clear, I singled him out as such because he is principled, not necessarily because I agree with his version of conservatism on all points). RINOs are people who espouse conservative principles while on the campaign trail and then do "other stuff" while in Washington. I think there has to be an element of hypocrisy.


Can you point to examples (other than Rand Paul) of not-RINO's?

I’d have to think about it. None really comes to mind immediately. Not saying that they aren’t out there, but I’d have to give the question some thought and research.


Don't you agree that 'republican in name only' is a bit of a misnomer if there basically are no republicans that aren't republicans in name only? I mean I know you said 'not saying that they aren't out there', but it seems like you consider a vast majority of republicans republicans in name only. Isn't it more appropriate to adjust your opinion of what being 'a republican' constitutes?

Like I told GH a few posts ago, you are conflating two distinct concepts. That a republican is not a “very principled conservative” does not mean that he is a RINO.


Second one.

EDIT: Figured out I had to scroll further down. I think it's fair to point out that you can't name Republicans that you think exemplify Conservatives or Not-RINOs on the national political stage. Then it's also reasonable to say there likely aren't many/any (beyond the one you named) if an educated conservative like yourself has none in their mind when they accuse others of not living up to their imagined Republican/Conservative.

Like a purity test that you don't know anyone (save Rand Paul) who passed.

I'll give you that sometimes Kwark does sort of what you accuse him of (though not just to us), this isn't one of those times by any sensible measure though.


Like I said before, I'd have to give some thought and research into who the "very principled conservatives" are. That's not a label that I'm going to freely throw around without really looking into it. I'm using the term in the context paragons or exemplars of conservatism, so I want to make sure that whoever I give that label to warrants it. I just haven't had the time to really go look at it, which is the cause of my hesitation. It's not a small ask.

What I have consistently objected to is this insinuation made by Kwark and others that just because someone isn't a "very principled conservative" that they must be a RINO or the like. I've been very clear that I do not believe that that is the case, and I'm tired of people repeating the same nonsense.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22487 Posts
November 01 2017 23:27 GMT
#182358
On November 02 2017 08:11 xDaunt wrote:
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On November 02 2017 07:14 KwarK wrote:
On November 02 2017 06:51 xDaunt wrote:
No, you all did not "see" any of that. You imagined it.


On November 02 2017 06:48 KwarK wrote:
You've spent the last week insisting that the majority of conservative politicians aren't real conservatives.
On October 31 2017 10:18 xDaunt wrote:
On October 31 2017 10:14 GreenHorizons wrote:
Can you point to examples (other than Rand Paul) of not-RINO's?

I’d have to think about it. None really comes to mind immediately. Not saying that they aren’t out there, but I’d have to give the question some thought and research.


On November 02 2017 06:48 KwarK wrote:
Hell, you said the last conservative president before Trump wasn't a real conservative.
On October 31 2017 10:16 xDaunt wrote:
The Bushes are the patriarchs of RINOs.


You keep playing "who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes!?" as if you have any shred of credibility with anyone here and I just don't understand why. You try to lie your way out of naked lies and it never works and yet you still keep trying to do it.

At a certain point it's not even gaslighting, it's just delusion.

This is why you're a dishonest joke. You don't even cite right the posts. You take everything out of context. And I knew that you would do it, too, which is why I edited my original post and added the precise citations.

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On November 02 2017 06:51 xDaunt wrote:
On November 02 2017 06:48 KwarK wrote:
On November 02 2017 06:44 xDaunt wrote:
On November 02 2017 06:30 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 02 2017 06:20 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On November 02 2017 05:57 Sermokala wrote:
I'm with danglers on a lot of this. I don't participate in this thread as much as I used to because any dissent from leftist viewpoints is responded with insults and name calling first, with actual arguments coming much further behind it. I get it that trump's election gives people an excuse for this but I just don't see the point in trying to be a "reasonable conservative" when no one has any tolerance for that.

There are actually a good number of conservative posters on this thread, if I recall. They just aren't xDaunt, Danglars or RIK, so somehow get bunched into the "left".


Maybe the right needs fewer purity tests

This statement belies such a shitty understanding of the conservative posters (and conservatism in general) in this thread that I don't even know where to begin.

You've spent the last week insisting that the majority of conservative politicians aren't real conservatives. We all saw you. Hell, you said the last conservative president before Trump wasn't a real conservative.

No, you all did not "see" any of that. You imagined it. And I already clarified what I said twice -- once for GH and once for one of the other mods. Why am I not surprised that you are the one who still doesn't get it?

Just to cut to the chase: Look here and here.

Thats just you contradicting yourself about what is or isn't a RINO.


It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
November 01 2017 23:28 GMT
#182359
On November 02 2017 08:09 Danglars wrote:
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On November 02 2017 08:06 Toadesstern wrote:
On November 02 2017 07:50 Danglars wrote:
On November 02 2017 07:44 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Remember what I said yesterday about some posters harping on people that only their internet circle or their opposition care about?

"A professor at Middleburry" and "Charles Murray" fall squarely into that category.

When your trade is people and not ideas, you're stopped from considering ideas without knowing what people are saying them.

I invite you to take the plunge and tell me what you think are the acceptable bounds of debate on college campuses.

which has nothing to do with what he was talking about. He's just saying that some random prof at some random unknown university isn't someone with a huge following or any kind of influence.
Also what warding was getting at. They're basicly saying those are shit ideas but they're not a threat simply due to them being so insignificant.

Yeah, he had a lazy angle that was wrong. I was bringing up a point I was reminded of from LegalLord's post. He herp derps on the people involved because he's too much of a coward to make a definitive statement.

I wasn't aware that allowing others freedom of expression required me to care about what everyone says. I accept that western society favours free speech, and I accept that this will allow dumb things to slip out frequently.

If you ask me to comment specifically on some of their messages, I may care enough about them to respond directly about it. If they're in the vein of "there was a dumb message on twitter by a random person", probably not.

On November 02 2017 08:12 Danglars wrote:
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On November 02 2017 08:07 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On November 02 2017 07:50 Danglars wrote:
On November 02 2017 07:44 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Remember what I said yesterday about some posters harping on people that only their internet circle or their opposition care about?

"A professor at Middleburry" and "Charles Murray" fall squarely into that category.

When your trade is people and not ideas, you're stopped from considering ideas without knowing what people are saying them.

I invite you to take the plunge and tell me what you think are the acceptable bounds of debate on college campuses.

Maybe I had a boring college experience, but college should be about college first and foremost.

So what is the acceptable bounds of debate? It seems like a rather dumb subject to begin with, because college campuses, and the people attending them, are not exactly there for "debate" as a whole. Which puts it as an activity for some select classes within the confines of the course material, or an extracurricular activity organized by sutdents, and both will fall to the whims or tolerance of the campus administration.

Colleges doing college is free debate and the arena of ideas. You have a poor understanding of the purpose of college, particularly the purpose of the liberal arts. It's not creating some curriculum playground for selecting classes. It's supposed to challenge your worldviews from high school and, from the conflict, develop you into more of an adult. Then maybe you're in the sciences learning about how the world functions mechanically and biologically.

Yes, this is the romanticized version of post-secondary education. It doesn't match very well to the actual college experience, but I can appreciate the wishful outlook on the shaping of young adults.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 01 2017 23:31 GMT
#182360
On November 02 2017 08:12 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2017 08:07 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On November 02 2017 07:50 Danglars wrote:
On November 02 2017 07:44 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Remember what I said yesterday about some posters harping on people that only their internet circle or their opposition care about?

"A professor at Middleburry" and "Charles Murray" fall squarely into that category.

When your trade is people and not ideas, you're stopped from considering ideas without knowing what people are saying them.

I invite you to take the plunge and tell me what you think are the acceptable bounds of debate on college campuses.

Maybe I had a boring college experience, but college should be about college first and foremost.

So what is the acceptable bounds of debate? It seems like a rather dumb subject to begin with, because college campuses, and the people attending them, are not exactly there for "debate" as a whole. Which puts it as an activity for some select classes within the confines of the course material, or an extracurricular activity organized by sutdents, and both will fall to the whims or tolerance of the campus administration.

Colleges doing college is free debate and the arena of ideas. You have a poor understanding of the purpose of college, particularly the purpose of the liberal arts. It's not creating some curriculum playground for selecting classes. It's supposed to challenge your worldviews from high school and, from the conflict, develop you into more of an adult. Then maybe you're in the sciences learning about how the world functions mechanically and biologically.

I went to college and studied biology. I didn't feel like it challenged my world views but I definitely became more exposed and more understanding of other world views besides my own. So when you say "college is [for] free debate and the arena of ideas", I agree wholeheartedly.

But you still give zero specifics about what in American colleges that they teach or don't teach that's so threatening to the next generation. You're giving readers in this thread the impression that these universities are exposing impressionable young mind to negative liberal ideas. So I ask again, what are those ideas?
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