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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44367 Posts
On October 26 2017 23:34 Godwrath wrote: I understand the comedy value of Trump quotes, but could you create a "Trump does/says silly thing" thread and keep this one clean of that crap ? Before his presidency is over, that hypothetical thread would have more pages and posts than this one. | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
On October 26 2017 23:34 Godwrath wrote: I understand the comedy value of Trump quotes, but could you create a "Trump does/says silly thing" thread and keep this one clean of that crap ? ? Trump is the US president. What he says may be a bit relevant in this thread. Maybe. Edit: Ok this one is important so for once I'll elaborate. Some people there voted for a clown (maybe that's harsch on clowns, well it is). You should take every opportunity to remind / show to those people that they did vote for a clown. What happened is a big fucked up of democracy the least you could do is to accept this kind of remainder (not that I like democracy but if you like it you have to fight for it, and Trump is not really tre embodiment of democracy). | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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brian
United States9619 Posts
there’s obviously a line somewhere but as with all arbitrary lines, they’re hard to define. you know it when you see it, we’ve seen it, and now we know. well, hopefully. unless he comes back later and says the exact opposite and claims it as fact. only time will tell. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10126 Posts
On October 27 2017 00:08 Furikawari wrote: ? Trump is the US president. What he says may be a bit relevant in this thread. Maybe. Edit: Ok this one is important so for once I'll elaborate. Some people there voted for a clown (maybe that's harsch on clowns, well it is). You should take every opportunity to remind / show to those people that they did vote for a clown. What happened is a big fucked up of democracy the least you could do is to accept this kind of remainder (not that I like democracy but if you like it you have to fight for it, and Trump is not really tre embodiment of democracy). The spam in here won't change anyone's mind of anyone. It's pretty much circlejerking at how dumb Trump is, good luck trying to have a decent debate when half the thread is occuppied with irrelevant tweets. @Plansix i doubt that he saying stupid things about how to call China's prime minister/president/king will be relevant anytime soon. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
On October 27 2017 00:20 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/NewsHour/status/923568138662408192 whoa, what | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On October 27 2017 00:19 Godwrath wrote: The spam in here won't change anyone's mind of anyone. It's pretty much circlejerking at how dumb Trump is, good luck trying to have a decent debate when half the thread is occuppied with irrelevant tweets. @Plansix i doubt that he saying stupid things about how to call China's prime minister/president/king will be relevant anytime soon. decent debate is sparse in general, especially thorough policy debate. most of the thread is occupied with irrelevant stuff at any given time, so it's mostly a question of replacing one silly debate with another. While I agree that all the dumb things aren't particularly interesting; it's also the case that it has a straightforward undeniable relevance. I also tend to discount anyone using the word "circlejerk" | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 27 2017 00:19 Godwrath wrote: @Plansix i doubt that he saying stupid things about how to call China's prime minister/president/king will be relevant anytime soon. I wasn’t aware that the goal of this thread was to change anyone’s mind. I wouldn’t have posted that specific quote, but I’m not that upset that it got posted. Trump says dumb shit every day, some of it makes it into this thread and we laugh at it. And sometimes its also important. | ||
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farvacola
United States18828 Posts
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Howie_Dewitt
United States1416 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
On October 27 2017 00:27 Plansix wrote: I wasn’t aware that the goal of this thread was to change anyone’s mind. I wouldn’t have posted that specific quote, but I’m not that upset that it got posted. Trump says dumb shit every day, some of it makes it into this thread and we laugh at it. And sometimes its also important. Does no one else feel like their views have actually changed in this thread? I feel like GH has made me more sympathetic to BLM kinds of stuff. I used to be against stuff like clogging up freeways to grab attention, but not anymore. The local conservatives have made me better understand why widespread social change gives them a feeling of being under attack rather than participants in societal shifts. I used to have a lot more cut and dry perspective on societal advancement. I've learned a lot about how people can view a call for change as actually an aggressive move and stuff like that. I really think I understand lots of people a lot better now. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 27 2017 00:32 Mohdoo wrote: Does no one else feel like their views have actually changed in this thread? I feel like GH has made me more sympathetic to BLM kinds of stuff. I used to be against stuff like clogging up freeways to grab attention, but not anymore. The local conservatives have made me better understand why widespread social change gives them a feeling of being under attack rather than participants in societal shifts. I used to have a lot more cut and dry perspective on societal advancement. I've learned a lot about how people can view a call for change as actually an aggressive move and stuff like that. I really think I understand lots of people a lot better now. I don’t frame it as my mind being changed, but my views being refined or becoming better informed. But I agree with you on the rest. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On October 25 2017 12:10 xDaunt wrote: The central tenets of conservativism can be broadly distilled down to 1) individual liberty, 2) importance of family, 3) national strength, 4) capitalism, and 5) civic virtue and morality. The GOP has talked a very big game on Nos 1 and 4, but have badly failed to deliver. I don't see how this distinctly differs from leftism (Clinton is not a leftist). | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Also, the stuff on how pickup trucks are a masculine status symbol, and buying cars on credit and this credit rating concept was eye-opening. | ||
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brian
United States9619 Posts
On October 27 2017 00:39 kollin wrote: I don't see how this distinctly differs from leftism (Clinton is not a leftist). generally conservatives believe themselves more fierce protectors of individual liberties- unless you’re a woman. generally i’d agree- unless you’re a woman. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On October 27 2017 00:32 Mohdoo wrote: Does no one else feel like their views have actually changed in this thread? I feel like GH has made me more sympathetic to BLM kinds of stuff. I used to be against stuff like clogging up freeways to grab attention, but not anymore. The local conservatives have made me better understand why widespread social change gives them a feeling of being under attack rather than participants in societal shifts. I used to have a lot more cut and dry perspective on societal advancement. I've learned a lot about how people can view a call for change as actually an aggressive move and stuff like that. I really think I understand lots of people a lot better now. my views change a little I suppose; I don't really track so it's hard to say definitively how much actual change has occurred. mostly I just have more information to make decisions based on. I was pretty well informed beforehand, so it's not a huge shift. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On October 27 2017 00:43 brian wrote: generally conservatives believe themselves more fierce protectors of individual liberties- unless you’re a woman. generally i’d agree- unless you’re a woman. I'm not sure that those on the left don't think they're fierce protectors of individual liberties though. They just take a more utilitarian approach to it. | ||
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farvacola
United States18828 Posts
On October 27 2017 00:39 kollin wrote: I don't see how this distinctly differs from leftism (Clinton is not a leftist). One way in which it differs from leftism deals in number 3, the likes of which is utterly incoherent for anyone who supports anything conservative here in the States. "National strength" is a laughably hollow proxy for overfunded, contract employee ridden military with enough social services to keep old people happy and voting; the rest of pretty much everything conservative, no matter where on the spectrum, prioritizes enhancing the rights of states at the expense of an effectively strong federal government. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 27 2017 00:40 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I used to think GH was batshit crazy, a real total looney, but now I understand it as a reaction to people like danglars and xdaunt. Also, the stuff on how pickup trucks are a masculine status symbol, and buying cars on credit and this credit rating concept was eye-opening. I have the same experience with the EU thread. The internet gives us the ability to get a broad overview of any country, but it takes threads like this to get a good understanding of the political tensions and why they exist. | ||
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