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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-21 02:18:31
October 21 2017 02:17 GMT
#180781
It's the daily wire, they are not very bright over there. Then again, that is going around.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43991 Posts
October 21 2017 02:21 GMT
#180782
On October 21 2017 11:12 GoTuNk! wrote:
http://www.dailywire.com/news/22540/trump-was-right-gold-star-widow-releases-trumps-ryan-saavedra?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=dwbrand#

So this settles it? Everything was fabricated, and Trumps sounds more of a decent human being than he ever has.

Show nested quote +
he video, obtained by The Washington Post, shows President Trump being respectful and kind to the widow of Army Staff Sgt. Mark R. De Alencar.

“I am so sorry to hear about the whole situation.” President Trump said. “What a horrible thing, except that he’s an unbelievable hero.”

“Thank you. I really, really appreciate it,” Natasha De Alencar said. “I really do, sir.”

Trump warmly welcomed her to the White House if she ever visited Washington D.C., saying that he considers her family.

“If you’re around Washington, you come over and see me in the Oval Office,” Trump continued. “You just come over and see me because you are just the kind of family … this is what we want.”

“Say hello to your children, and tell them your father, he was a great hero that I respected,” Trump said. “Just tell them I said your father was a great hero.”


Video on the link.

To put this in terms you might understand

FAKE WIDOW!

SAD!
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
October 21 2017 02:23 GMT
#180783
On October 21 2017 11:21 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2017 11:12 GoTuNk! wrote:
http://www.dailywire.com/news/22540/trump-was-right-gold-star-widow-releases-trumps-ryan-saavedra?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=dwbrand#

So this settles it? Everything was fabricated, and Trumps sounds more of a decent human being than he ever has.

he video, obtained by The Washington Post, shows President Trump being respectful and kind to the widow of Army Staff Sgt. Mark R. De Alencar.

“I am so sorry to hear about the whole situation.” President Trump said. “What a horrible thing, except that he’s an unbelievable hero.”

“Thank you. I really, really appreciate it,” Natasha De Alencar said. “I really do, sir.”

Trump warmly welcomed her to the White House if she ever visited Washington D.C., saying that he considers her family.

“If you’re around Washington, you come over and see me in the Oval Office,” Trump continued. “You just come over and see me because you are just the kind of family … this is what we want.”

“Say hello to your children, and tell them your father, he was a great hero that I respected,” Trump said. “Just tell them I said your father was a great hero.”


Video on the link.

To put this in terms you might understand

FAKE WIDOW!

SAD!


LOL am an idiot. He does sound more decent than everything i've listened about him lately, though.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 21 2017 02:28 GMT
#180784
He is a charismatic, completely shameless conman. He sounds like he cares, but turns on people the instant they don't play along.
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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6138 Posts
October 21 2017 03:19 GMT
#180785
On October 21 2017 11:28 Plansix wrote:
He is a charismatic, completely shameless conman. He sounds like he cares, but turns on people the instant they don't play along.

So he was a politician the whole time, big revelation here.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43991 Posts
October 21 2017 03:26 GMT
#180786
On October 21 2017 12:19 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2017 11:28 Plansix wrote:
He is a charismatic, completely shameless conman. He sounds like he cares, but turns on people the instant they don't play along.

So he was a politician the whole time, big revelation here.

Could you name another politician you think to be similarly hollow or disingenuous? It's easy to say "well all politicians lie" to excuse Trump's behaviour, but do you have examples that you could point to?
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 21 2017 03:41 GMT
#180787
On October 21 2017 12:19 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2017 11:28 Plansix wrote:
He is a charismatic, completely shameless conman. He sounds like he cares, but turns on people the instant they don't play along.

So he was a politician the whole time, big revelation here.

No. John McCain and Ronald Reagan are politicians. Trump is a feckless charlatan.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14131 Posts
October 21 2017 03:48 GMT
#180788
Politicians have a gameplan behind their actions and the forethought of how it will beifit them longterm in their actions. Trump doesn't understand anything past the few minutes his attention span is.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 21 2017 04:38 GMT
#180789
On October 21 2017 12:48 Sermokala wrote:
Politicians have a gameplan behind their actions and the forethought of how it will beifit them longterm in their actions. Trump doesn't understand anything past the few minutes his attention span is.

I'd say more midterm projection. Hillary didn't see past the next speech or kickback payback. I mean chalk it up to universal failings of human beings, but that is not a long term strategy. Clinton banging prostitutes and interns on the side and lying about it wasn't long term thinking. This isn't a Trump defense because he simply doesn't deserve one on thinking, but a universal critique of politicians.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 21 2017 05:07 GMT
#180790
On October 21 2017 13:38 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2017 12:48 Sermokala wrote:
Politicians have a gameplan behind their actions and the forethought of how it will beifit them longterm in their actions. Trump doesn't understand anything past the few minutes his attention span is.

I'd say more midterm projection. Hillary didn't see past the next speech or kickback payback. I mean chalk it up to universal failings of human beings, but that is not a long term strategy. Clinton banging prostitutes and interns on the side and lying about it wasn't long term thinking. This isn't a Trump defense because he simply doesn't deserve one on thinking, but a universal critique of politicians.

What a simplistic world view based the Clintons. +400 politicians in DC at any time and you continue to harp on them like they are the only ones.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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harodihg
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Japan1344 Posts
October 21 2017 05:14 GMT
#180791
Huh? I rarely read this thread but from my point of view he's just providing a specific point that Trump isn't the only one that lacks forethought
Agh's ult sniper: Sniper locks eyes with target unit, immobilizing them in horror as he turns the gun on himself. Channeled, lasts 5 seconds.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43991 Posts
October 21 2017 05:16 GMT
#180792
On October 21 2017 14:14 harodihg wrote:
a specific point that Trump isn't the only one
On October 21 2017 13:38 Danglars wrote:
a universal critique of politicians.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14131 Posts
October 21 2017 05:44 GMT
#180793
On October 21 2017 13:38 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2017 12:48 Sermokala wrote:
Politicians have a gameplan behind their actions and the forethought of how it will beifit them longterm in their actions. Trump doesn't understand anything past the few minutes his attention span is.

I'd say more midterm projection. Hillary didn't see past the next speech or kickback payback. I mean chalk it up to universal failings of human beings, but that is not a long term strategy. Clinton banging prostitutes and interns on the side and lying about it wasn't long term thinking. This isn't a Trump defense because he simply doesn't deserve one on thinking, but a universal critique of politicians.

This is wrong. The problem with the clintons is that they planned far too ahead and lost the plot along the way on how to win today to survive long enough to see your plan turn out. "The era of big government is over" is an amazing slogan for a democrat trying to rally the base back after the reagon years seemed to cast them out into the desert. But the time was always going to come when people questioned why the liberal party wasn't that liberal anymore. Clinton was playing to win her 2nd term in the middle of the campaign for her first. Tramping out the progressives from the party is smart long term but is dumb beacuse you'll lose short term and those gains from tramping out the progressives will never show.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 21 2017 05:59 GMT
#180794
On October 21 2017 14:44 Sermokala wrote:
Tramping out the progressives from the party is smart long term

Ok, humor me. Why?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 21 2017 06:09 GMT
#180795
On October 21 2017 14:44 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2017 13:38 Danglars wrote:
On October 21 2017 12:48 Sermokala wrote:
Politicians have a gameplan behind their actions and the forethought of how it will beifit them longterm in their actions. Trump doesn't understand anything past the few minutes his attention span is.

I'd say more midterm projection. Hillary didn't see past the next speech or kickback payback. I mean chalk it up to universal failings of human beings, but that is not a long term strategy. Clinton banging prostitutes and interns on the side and lying about it wasn't long term thinking. This isn't a Trump defense because he simply doesn't deserve one on thinking, but a universal critique of politicians.

This is wrong. The problem with the clintons is that they planned far too ahead and lost the plot along the way on how to win today to survive long enough to see your plan turn out. "The era of big government is over" is an amazing slogan for a democrat trying to rally the base back after the reagon years seemed to cast them out into the desert. But the time was always going to come when people questioned why the liberal party wasn't that liberal anymore. Clinton was playing to win her 2nd term in the middle of the campaign for her first. Tramping out the progressives from the party is smart long term but is dumb beacuse you'll lose short term and those gains from tramping out the progressives will never show.

We're getting to mystical here. Planning for her second term and basically assuming she gets queened the first time around is a terrible long term strategy because it relies on faulty assumptions. This is on par with Trump's short sightedness. Campaign aides said the campaign was worried about losing the popular and winning electoral, so they put more stops in California to run up the totals. I would argue that losing the plot in the super long term is ignoring the long term ... something politicians actually do suck at. I will add some caveats:
If your long term plan is a cushy lobbying job and not a legacy of some notoriety, maybe long term bad policy decisions work out for your other long term goal. Corruption does pay off on K street.
If your long term plan is gaining power and becoming a kingmaker of sorts, it doesn't hurt the plan to abandon all principle and just transactional politics your way around.

On October 21 2017 14:14 harodihg wrote:
Huh? I rarely read this thread but from my point of view he's just providing a specific point that Trump isn't the only one that lacks forethought

It was a quick example to explain what I mean.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14131 Posts
October 21 2017 06:25 GMT
#180796
On October 21 2017 14:59 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2017 14:44 Sermokala wrote:
Tramping out the progressives from the party is smart long term

Ok, humor me. Why?

Lack of obligation to anyone in the party. You can throw them bones when you want to and they'll have to be as happy to get what they can as much as the opposition party you beat as well.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14131 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-21 06:34:16
October 21 2017 06:27 GMT
#180797
On October 21 2017 15:09 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2017 14:44 Sermokala wrote:
On October 21 2017 13:38 Danglars wrote:
On October 21 2017 12:48 Sermokala wrote:
Politicians have a gameplan behind their actions and the forethought of how it will beifit them longterm in their actions. Trump doesn't understand anything past the few minutes his attention span is.

I'd say more midterm projection. Hillary didn't see past the next speech or kickback payback. I mean chalk it up to universal failings of human beings, but that is not a long term strategy. Clinton banging prostitutes and interns on the side and lying about it wasn't long term thinking. This isn't a Trump defense because he simply doesn't deserve one on thinking, but a universal critique of politicians.

This is wrong. The problem with the clintons is that they planned far too ahead and lost the plot along the way on how to win today to survive long enough to see your plan turn out. "The era of big government is over" is an amazing slogan for a democrat trying to rally the base back after the reagon years seemed to cast them out into the desert. But the time was always going to come when people questioned why the liberal party wasn't that liberal anymore. Clinton was playing to win her 2nd term in the middle of the campaign for her first. Tramping out the progressives from the party is smart long term but is dumb beacuse you'll lose short term and those gains from tramping out the progressives will never show.

We're getting to mystical here. Planning for her second term and basically assuming she gets queened the first time around is a terrible long term strategy because it relies on faulty assumptions. This is on par with Trump's short sightedness. Campaign aides said the campaign was worried about losing the popular and winning electoral, so they put more stops in California to run up the totals. I would argue that losing the plot in the super long term is ignoring the long term ... something politicians actually do suck at. I will add some caveats:
If your long term plan is a cushy lobbying job and not a legacy of some notoriety, maybe long term bad policy decisions work out for your other long term goal. Corruption does pay off on K street.
If your long term plan is gaining power and becoming a kingmaker of sorts, it doesn't hurt the plan to abandon all principle and just transactional politics your way around.

Show nested quote +
On October 21 2017 14:14 harodihg wrote:
Huh? I rarely read this thread but from my point of view he's just providing a specific point that Trump isn't the only one that lacks forethought

It was a quick example to explain what I mean.

planning long term is longsightness not shortsightness. I think we have different concepts on what power and planning is so there really isn't much to discuss.

Scrambling day in day out creating mini scandals for the media to go on a hissy with to distract them from the larger structural scandals and faults with your administration isn't a long term plan. There isn't a next step to what trump is doing its just getting worse and worse as nothing really changes for the better. Hillary thought (rightly so) that she had an easy win and was planning ahead like anyone would do in her spot. She just forgot to do a few basic things that would have been clearly to someone who hadn't been in power for so long.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22373 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-21 10:07:16
October 21 2017 10:07 GMT
#180798
On October 21 2017 11:09 Plansix wrote:

These mother fuckers are going to deploy my brother to some unknown part of the world, get him killed and not tell my family for a month. Jesus fucking Christ. They can't even above lying about who he called, or just admit he didn't call everyone. Every moment of this gets me more pissed off.

I understand your angry but lets not make stuff up. The families were most definitely informed. The DoD will inform them and offer their own support as they always do. Its the White House followup that may or may not happen.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1937 Posts
October 21 2017 10:55 GMT
#180799
On October 21 2017 13:38 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2017 12:48 Sermokala wrote:
Politicians have a gameplan behind their actions and the forethought of how it will beifit them longterm in their actions. Trump doesn't understand anything past the few minutes his attention span is.

I'd say more midterm projection. Hillary didn't see past the next speech or kickback payback. I mean chalk it up to universal failings of human beings, but that is not a long term strategy. Clinton banging prostitutes and interns on the side and lying about it wasn't long term thinking. This isn't a Trump defense because he simply doesn't deserve one on thinking, but a universal critique of politicians.


Trump is taking it to a whole new level. How would you treat a democrat saying and doing what Trump does? Trump is not exactly a saint himself, so talking about Bills sexual life gets you nowhere.
Buff the siegetank
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-21 12:06:09
October 21 2017 12:05 GMT
#180800
Air Force could recall as many as 1,000 retired pilots to address serious shortage

WASHINGTON — President Trump signed an executive order Friday allowing the Air Force to recall as many as 1,000 retired pilots to active duty to address a shortage in combat fliers, the White House and Pentagon announced.

By law, only 25 retired officers can be brought back to serve in any one branch. Trump's order removes those caps by expanding a state of national emergency declared by President George W. Bush after 9/11, signaling what could be a significant escalation in the 16-year-old global war on terror.

"We anticipate that the Secretary of Defense will delegate the authority to the Secretary of the Air Force to recall up to 1,000 retired pilots for up to three years," Navy Cdr. Gary Ross, a Pentagon spokesman, said in a statement.

But the executive order itself is not specific to the Air Force, and could conceivably be used in the future to call up more officers and in other branches.

The Air Force needs about 1,500 pilots more than it has. Bonus programs and other incentives have not made up the shortfall.

The Air Force has been at the forefront of the Pentagon's battle against the Islamic State, flying most of the combat sorties in Iraq and Syria since 2014.

In June, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., labeled the pilot shortage a crisis that would prevent the Air Force from fulfilling its mission.

“This is a full-blown crisis, and if left unresolved, it will call into question the Air Force’s ability to accomplish its mission,” said McCain, chairman of the Armed Services Committee.

Richard Aboulafia, an aviation analyst and vice president of the Teal Group, said the shortage stemmed from a number of issues.

"One is competition from commercial airlines," Aboulafia said. "Another is delays and funding shortfalls in training. And, due to military operations, utilization of the aircraft and crew has been higher than expected."

On Capitol Hill, Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., and a member of Armed Services Committee, said that the fight against Islamic State and al-Qaeda linked terrorists will be expanding. He spoke to reporters while speaking about the four U.S. soldiers killed Oct. 4 in Niger.

Counter-terrorism rules under President Obama had been too restrictive and ineffective, Graham said.

“The war is morphing," Graham said. "You’re going to see more actions in Africa, not less. You’re going to see more aggression by the United States toward our enemies, not less. You’re going to have decisions made not in the White House but out in the field. And I support that entire construct.”

Last month, President Trump became the third president to renew the post-9/11 state of national emergency, which allows the president to call up the national guard, hire and fire officers and delay retirements.

Those extraordinary powers were supposed to be temporary. But even after 16 years, there's been no congressional oversight of the emergency.

source

Preparing for something big needing so many extra pilots on short notice?

I wonder what type of pilots they mean when they say they are short 1500. Surely a fighter pilot is still a wanted job? So probably boring drone operators or something?

Also how does 'calling people back from retirement' work? Can they force you to do something you don't want to? Is this like a focused draft order?
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