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On October 21 2017 04:18 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2017 04:13 Danglars wrote:On October 21 2017 03:22 Danglars wrote:
We did need more racism in this thread. When a black man does it, it's racism. When a white man does it, it's disagreement. On October 21 2017 03:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:
But that's exactly what it is. Republicans didn't do anything for eight years, you said so yourself, they didn't do anything, not even come up with a plan to repeal, why? Because it was a black man in the office, and to top it off, his name was Barack Hussein Obama II. Now they had their chance and have shown they don't do anything in congress other than milk their constituents.
The ones that actually work, and have a brain, disagree with the "new and improved" repeals that came out this year because it hurts people rather than help them. If the republican party would of had a nice plan ready for repeal, then maybe you could say it wasn't racist, it's a disagreement, because they didn't like the current one, but no they didn't have anything ready, and it just shows their true colors. It's one of the most pathetic falsehoods in modern history. Obama was doing a lot of things that people didn't like, including signing into law Obamacare. The electorate tossed the bums out. The Democrats went from a filibuster-proof majority to half the senators that voted for it gone and the largest Republican majority in Congress since 1928. A reasonable person would call that a mandate to oppose his legislative agenda. A miserable human being would call it an elected body of racists. I'd really like to see this forum turn around and we can get into what did get passed and how Obama sucked at compromise and working with Congress. But the first step is to get off this disease that this is all somehow due to racism. It's the absolute antithesis to debate and reasoning. I'm not going to prove the negative that it isn't racism any more than I'll ask you to prove God doesn't exist. And I didn't say "Republicans didn't do anything for eight years," I said they brought chaos down on themselves for not working on several legislative plans behind the scenes after Obamacare. OR they look at it as a reflection on the state of the economy and since we were still at the tail end of Bush's recession the party in power got the blame whicj is typically the case. Honestly Trump should be faring much bettet in polls considering the economy Obama handed him but he has hindered that every step of the way.
Polls showed deep opposition to Obamacare and people polled rated it very highly in their voting decision and Congressmen used it heavily in their campaign ads to slaughter the opposition.
Trump would be higher if he kept his trap shut going into left field on all kinds of issues, berating his own staff, and sticking to his own communication office's message. He's so far chosen to not do that. The only positive side effects have been when he waded into the culture wars and chummed the waters for media moralizing (the proven putting out bait and provoking the overreaction). I'm just glad for the small things we've gotten recently despite all of it: decertifying the Iran deal, condemning their terrorist acts, out of UNESCO, and complying with court orders on ACA. I might include the NFL culture wars bit, but I'm still undecided if taking the easy win outweighs meddling with it in the first place.
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On October 21 2017 04:41 Adreme wrote:The people in thst twitter genuinely concern me. Bigots who invented there own facts sprinkled with a few inages with context removed to make themselves feel as though they aren't bigots.
This is exactly what anti Semitism looked like in the 1930s. People just asking questions, talking and pretending to debate. But its all just testing the waters to see how far they can get. Just watch how the use of “globalist” evolves over the next few years.
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On October 21 2017 04:31 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2017 04:13 Danglars wrote:On October 21 2017 03:22 Danglars wrote:
We did need more racism in this thread. When a black man does it, it's racism. When a white man does it, it's disagreement. On October 21 2017 03:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:
But that's exactly what it is. Republicans didn't do anything for eight years, you said so yourself, they didn't do anything, not even come up with a plan to repeal, why? Because it was a black man in the office, and to top it off, his name was Barack Hussein Obama II. Now they had their chance and have shown they don't do anything in congress other than milk their constituents.
The ones that actually work, and have a brain, disagree with the "new and improved" repeals that came out this year because it hurts people rather than help them. If the republican party would of had a nice plan ready for repeal, then maybe you could say it wasn't racist, it's a disagreement, because they didn't like the current one, but no they didn't have anything ready, and it just shows their true colors. It's one of the most pathetic falsehoods in modern history. Obama was doing a lot of things that people didn't like, including signing into law Obamacare. The electorate tossed the bums out. The Democrats went from a filibuster-proof majority to half the senators that voted for it gone and the largest Republican majority in Congress since 1928. A reasonable person would call that a mandate to oppose his legislative agenda. A miserable human being would call it an elected body of racists. I'd really like to see this forum turn around and we can get into what did get passed and how Obama sucked at compromise and working with Congress. But the first step is to get off this disease that this is all somehow due to racism. It's the absolute antithesis to debate and reasoning. I'm not going to prove the negative that it isn't racism any more than I'll ask you to prove God doesn't exist. And I didn't say "Republicans didn't do anything for eight years," I said they brought chaos down on themselves for not working on several legislative plans behind the scenes after Obamacare. A reasonable person would call it a mandate to roll out better healthcare. I understand them not doing it while Obama was in power but that doesn't excuse the rest of their obstructionism. The Supreme Court being the cherry on top. So, now that they control all 3 branches. Where is that better healthcare they were elected on, that they had 6 years to work on? You can cry foul all you want, the proof is right there. They all ran on removing the ACA and giving Americas something better. And they have NOTHING to show for it. 6 years and now that its on them they are standing there with their pants down trying to blame the other side when they cant even get a simple majority vote.
You really should read my post on failure to repeal and replace Obamacare. This one is on the absurd allegation that obstruction was due to racism/the fact that Obama was a black man.
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On October 21 2017 04:48 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2017 04:31 Gorsameth wrote:On October 21 2017 04:13 Danglars wrote:On October 21 2017 03:22 Danglars wrote:
We did need more racism in this thread. When a black man does it, it's racism. When a white man does it, it's disagreement. On October 21 2017 03:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:
But that's exactly what it is. Republicans didn't do anything for eight years, you said so yourself, they didn't do anything, not even come up with a plan to repeal, why? Because it was a black man in the office, and to top it off, his name was Barack Hussein Obama II. Now they had their chance and have shown they don't do anything in congress other than milk their constituents.
The ones that actually work, and have a brain, disagree with the "new and improved" repeals that came out this year because it hurts people rather than help them. If the republican party would of had a nice plan ready for repeal, then maybe you could say it wasn't racist, it's a disagreement, because they didn't like the current one, but no they didn't have anything ready, and it just shows their true colors. It's one of the most pathetic falsehoods in modern history. Obama was doing a lot of things that people didn't like, including signing into law Obamacare. The electorate tossed the bums out. The Democrats went from a filibuster-proof majority to half the senators that voted for it gone and the largest Republican majority in Congress since 1928. A reasonable person would call that a mandate to oppose his legislative agenda. A miserable human being would call it an elected body of racists. I'd really like to see this forum turn around and we can get into what did get passed and how Obama sucked at compromise and working with Congress. But the first step is to get off this disease that this is all somehow due to racism. It's the absolute antithesis to debate and reasoning. I'm not going to prove the negative that it isn't racism any more than I'll ask you to prove God doesn't exist. And I didn't say "Republicans didn't do anything for eight years," I said they brought chaos down on themselves for not working on several legislative plans behind the scenes after Obamacare. A reasonable person would call it a mandate to roll out better healthcare. I understand them not doing it while Obama was in power but that doesn't excuse the rest of their obstructionism. The Supreme Court being the cherry on top. So, now that they control all 3 branches. Where is that better healthcare they were elected on, that they had 6 years to work on? You can cry foul all you want, the proof is right there. They all ran on removing the ACA and giving Americas something better. And they have NOTHING to show for it. 6 years and now that its on them they are standing there with their pants down trying to blame the other side when they cant even get a simple majority vote. You really should read my post on failure to repeal and replace Obamacare. This one is on the absurd allegation that obstruction was due to racism/the fact that Obama was a black man.
This coming from the guy who won’t call anyone a racist until he personally witnesses them burning a cross on a black family’s lawn. And then we still might get the “we can’t know what was in his mind when he burned that cross.”
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On October 21 2017 04:41 Adreme wrote:The people in thst twitter genuinely concern me. Bigots who invented there own facts sprinkled with a few inages with context removed to make themselves feel as though they aren't bigots.
Let's just say there's still an alarming amount of people who are anti-Semitic. And a bunch of idiots. The amount of denial is just so sad to see.
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On October 21 2017 04:46 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2017 04:18 Adreme wrote:On October 21 2017 04:13 Danglars wrote:On October 21 2017 03:22 Danglars wrote:
We did need more racism in this thread. When a black man does it, it's racism. When a white man does it, it's disagreement. On October 21 2017 03:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:
But that's exactly what it is. Republicans didn't do anything for eight years, you said so yourself, they didn't do anything, not even come up with a plan to repeal, why? Because it was a black man in the office, and to top it off, his name was Barack Hussein Obama II. Now they had their chance and have shown they don't do anything in congress other than milk their constituents.
The ones that actually work, and have a brain, disagree with the "new and improved" repeals that came out this year because it hurts people rather than help them. If the republican party would of had a nice plan ready for repeal, then maybe you could say it wasn't racist, it's a disagreement, because they didn't like the current one, but no they didn't have anything ready, and it just shows their true colors. It's one of the most pathetic falsehoods in modern history. Obama was doing a lot of things that people didn't like, including signing into law Obamacare. The electorate tossed the bums out. The Democrats went from a filibuster-proof majority to half the senators that voted for it gone and the largest Republican majority in Congress since 1928. A reasonable person would call that a mandate to oppose his legislative agenda. A miserable human being would call it an elected body of racists. I'd really like to see this forum turn around and we can get into what did get passed and how Obama sucked at compromise and working with Congress. But the first step is to get off this disease that this is all somehow due to racism. It's the absolute antithesis to debate and reasoning. I'm not going to prove the negative that it isn't racism any more than I'll ask you to prove God doesn't exist. And I didn't say "Republicans didn't do anything for eight years," I said they brought chaos down on themselves for not working on several legislative plans behind the scenes after Obamacare. OR they look at it as a reflection on the state of the economy and since we were still at the tail end of Bush's recession the party in power got the blame whicj is typically the case. Honestly Trump should be faring much bettet in polls considering the economy Obama handed him but he has hindered that every step of the way. Polls showed deep opposition to Obamacare and people polled rated it very highly in their voting decision and Congressmen used it heavily in their campaign ads to slaughter the opposition. Trump would be higher if he kept his trap shut going into left field on all kinds of issues, berating his own staff, and sticking to his own communication office's message. He's so far chosen to not do that. The only positive side effects have been when he waded into the culture wars and chummed the waters for media moralizing (the proven putting out bait and provoking the overreaction). I'm just glad for the small things we've gotten recently despite all of it: decertifying the Iran deal, condemning their terrorist acts, out of UNESCO, and complying with court orders on ACA. I might include the NFL culture wars bit, but I'm still undecided if taking the easy win outweighs meddling with it in the first place.
How is the NFL siding with he player's rights(eventually), the people not buying the flaming bag of bullshit you and Trump tried to sell about disrespecting flag/veterans, and more people supporting the players than Trump "winning" in your eyes?
Oh that's right, he successfully distracted people with racist inclinations and advocates of white supremacy from the massive and systemic violations of Black people's constitutional rights, up to and including being murdered by those charged with enforcing the law, who then rarely if ever see what are always reduced punishments.
Now I completely understand why you would consider that a win in the culture wars.
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On October 21 2017 04:48 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2017 04:31 Gorsameth wrote:On October 21 2017 04:13 Danglars wrote:On October 21 2017 03:22 Danglars wrote:
We did need more racism in this thread. When a black man does it, it's racism. When a white man does it, it's disagreement. On October 21 2017 03:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:
But that's exactly what it is. Republicans didn't do anything for eight years, you said so yourself, they didn't do anything, not even come up with a plan to repeal, why? Because it was a black man in the office, and to top it off, his name was Barack Hussein Obama II. Now they had their chance and have shown they don't do anything in congress other than milk their constituents.
The ones that actually work, and have a brain, disagree with the "new and improved" repeals that came out this year because it hurts people rather than help them. If the republican party would of had a nice plan ready for repeal, then maybe you could say it wasn't racist, it's a disagreement, because they didn't like the current one, but no they didn't have anything ready, and it just shows their true colors. It's one of the most pathetic falsehoods in modern history. Obama was doing a lot of things that people didn't like, including signing into law Obamacare. The electorate tossed the bums out. The Democrats went from a filibuster-proof majority to half the senators that voted for it gone and the largest Republican majority in Congress since 1928. A reasonable person would call that a mandate to oppose his legislative agenda. A miserable human being would call it an elected body of racists. I'd really like to see this forum turn around and we can get into what did get passed and how Obama sucked at compromise and working with Congress. But the first step is to get off this disease that this is all somehow due to racism. It's the absolute antithesis to debate and reasoning. I'm not going to prove the negative that it isn't racism any more than I'll ask you to prove God doesn't exist. And I didn't say "Republicans didn't do anything for eight years," I said they brought chaos down on themselves for not working on several legislative plans behind the scenes after Obamacare. A reasonable person would call it a mandate to roll out better healthcare. I understand them not doing it while Obama was in power but that doesn't excuse the rest of their obstructionism. The Supreme Court being the cherry on top. So, now that they control all 3 branches. Where is that better healthcare they were elected on, that they had 6 years to work on? You can cry foul all you want, the proof is right there. They all ran on removing the ACA and giving Americas something better. And they have NOTHING to show for it. 6 years and now that its on them they are standing there with their pants down trying to blame the other side when they cant even get a simple majority vote. You really should read my post on failure to repeal and replace Obamacare. This one is on the absurd allegation that obstruction was due to racism/the fact that Obama was a black man.
Fine, let me spell it out for you.
Their complete failure to do anything about the ACA shows they don't give a shit about their 'mandate' and that it was all about blocking the black guy. Now that they can't do that they are flopping around like fish out of water.
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On October 21 2017 05:31 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2017 04:48 Danglars wrote:On October 21 2017 04:31 Gorsameth wrote:On October 21 2017 04:13 Danglars wrote:On October 21 2017 03:22 Danglars wrote:
We did need more racism in this thread. When a black man does it, it's racism. When a white man does it, it's disagreement. On October 21 2017 03:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:
But that's exactly what it is. Republicans didn't do anything for eight years, you said so yourself, they didn't do anything, not even come up with a plan to repeal, why? Because it was a black man in the office, and to top it off, his name was Barack Hussein Obama II. Now they had their chance and have shown they don't do anything in congress other than milk their constituents.
The ones that actually work, and have a brain, disagree with the "new and improved" repeals that came out this year because it hurts people rather than help them. If the republican party would of had a nice plan ready for repeal, then maybe you could say it wasn't racist, it's a disagreement, because they didn't like the current one, but no they didn't have anything ready, and it just shows their true colors. It's one of the most pathetic falsehoods in modern history. Obama was doing a lot of things that people didn't like, including signing into law Obamacare. The electorate tossed the bums out. The Democrats went from a filibuster-proof majority to half the senators that voted for it gone and the largest Republican majority in Congress since 1928. A reasonable person would call that a mandate to oppose his legislative agenda. A miserable human being would call it an elected body of racists. I'd really like to see this forum turn around and we can get into what did get passed and how Obama sucked at compromise and working with Congress. But the first step is to get off this disease that this is all somehow due to racism. It's the absolute antithesis to debate and reasoning. I'm not going to prove the negative that it isn't racism any more than I'll ask you to prove God doesn't exist. And I didn't say "Republicans didn't do anything for eight years," I said they brought chaos down on themselves for not working on several legislative plans behind the scenes after Obamacare. A reasonable person would call it a mandate to roll out better healthcare. I understand them not doing it while Obama was in power but that doesn't excuse the rest of their obstructionism. The Supreme Court being the cherry on top. So, now that they control all 3 branches. Where is that better healthcare they were elected on, that they had 6 years to work on? You can cry foul all you want, the proof is right there. They all ran on removing the ACA and giving Americas something better. And they have NOTHING to show for it. 6 years and now that its on them they are standing there with their pants down trying to blame the other side when they cant even get a simple majority vote. You really should read my post on failure to repeal and replace Obamacare. This one is on the absurd allegation that obstruction was due to racism/the fact that Obama was a black man. Fine, let me spell it out for you. Their complete failure to do anything about the ACA shows they don't give a shit about their 'mandate' and that it was all about blocking the black guy. Now that they can't do that they are flopping around like fish out of water.
They took an easy path to political power knowing that they wouldn't have to show down for a very long time ... longer if Trump wasn't elected. That's known as political opportunism, not racism. If everything is default racist, maybe you just arrive and stay there from personal choice and not any outside evidence. I know plenty of people that think their skin color was the reason they didn't get the job.
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On October 21 2017 05:00 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2017 04:46 Danglars wrote:On October 21 2017 04:18 Adreme wrote:On October 21 2017 04:13 Danglars wrote:On October 21 2017 03:22 Danglars wrote:
We did need more racism in this thread. When a black man does it, it's racism. When a white man does it, it's disagreement. On October 21 2017 03:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:
But that's exactly what it is. Republicans didn't do anything for eight years, you said so yourself, they didn't do anything, not even come up with a plan to repeal, why? Because it was a black man in the office, and to top it off, his name was Barack Hussein Obama II. Now they had their chance and have shown they don't do anything in congress other than milk their constituents.
The ones that actually work, and have a brain, disagree with the "new and improved" repeals that came out this year because it hurts people rather than help them. If the republican party would of had a nice plan ready for repeal, then maybe you could say it wasn't racist, it's a disagreement, because they didn't like the current one, but no they didn't have anything ready, and it just shows their true colors. It's one of the most pathetic falsehoods in modern history. Obama was doing a lot of things that people didn't like, including signing into law Obamacare. The electorate tossed the bums out. The Democrats went from a filibuster-proof majority to half the senators that voted for it gone and the largest Republican majority in Congress since 1928. A reasonable person would call that a mandate to oppose his legislative agenda. A miserable human being would call it an elected body of racists. I'd really like to see this forum turn around and we can get into what did get passed and how Obama sucked at compromise and working with Congress. But the first step is to get off this disease that this is all somehow due to racism. It's the absolute antithesis to debate and reasoning. I'm not going to prove the negative that it isn't racism any more than I'll ask you to prove God doesn't exist. And I didn't say "Republicans didn't do anything for eight years," I said they brought chaos down on themselves for not working on several legislative plans behind the scenes after Obamacare. OR they look at it as a reflection on the state of the economy and since we were still at the tail end of Bush's recession the party in power got the blame whicj is typically the case. Honestly Trump should be faring much bettet in polls considering the economy Obama handed him but he has hindered that every step of the way. Polls showed deep opposition to Obamacare and people polled rated it very highly in their voting decision and Congressmen used it heavily in their campaign ads to slaughter the opposition. Trump would be higher if he kept his trap shut going into left field on all kinds of issues, berating his own staff, and sticking to his own communication office's message. He's so far chosen to not do that. The only positive side effects have been when he waded into the culture wars and chummed the waters for media moralizing (the proven putting out bait and provoking the overreaction). I'm just glad for the small things we've gotten recently despite all of it: decertifying the Iran deal, condemning their terrorist acts, out of UNESCO, and complying with court orders on ACA. I might include the NFL culture wars bit, but I'm still undecided if taking the easy win outweighs meddling with it in the first place. How is the NFL siding with he player's rights(eventually), the people not buying the flaming bag of bullshit you and Trump tried to sell about disrespecting flag/veterans, and more people supporting the players than Trump "winning" in your eyes? Oh that's right, he successfully distracted people with racist inclinations and advocates of white supremacy from the massive and systemic violations of Black people's constitutional rights, up to and including being murdered by those charged with enforcing the law, who then rarely if ever see what are always reduced punishments. Now I completely understand why you would consider that a win in the culture wars.
You really can't get past overlooking Kaepernick's actual quote making the flag about black oppression, can you? Remember the original prominent kneeler that everybody remembers and associates the movement with? People might think Trump was wrong to wade in, as do I, or the players look better than Trump, and who doesn't, but it's all about patriotism instead of police brutality and you won't see more and more kneeling with the fan backlash (ratings and ticket sales). The original Goodell response and massive retraction is all anyone remembers.
Is all this whining about racists behind every bush and white supremacists underneath every rock due to your black fragility or some Coates "blackness?"
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Danglars is apparently transparent. Neither white nor black. And deeply trouble whenever anyone talks about whiteness or blackness.
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Dude... Seriously, don't you see it yourself?
Staggering
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That was fast. That meeting with Mattis must have not been sufficient.
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Just another example of conservative obsession with hierarchy. Trump is president. He can shit on a general.
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On October 21 2017 05:31 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2017 04:48 Danglars wrote:On October 21 2017 04:31 Gorsameth wrote:On October 21 2017 04:13 Danglars wrote:On October 21 2017 03:22 Danglars wrote:
We did need more racism in this thread. When a black man does it, it's racism. When a white man does it, it's disagreement. On October 21 2017 03:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:
But that's exactly what it is. Republicans didn't do anything for eight years, you said so yourself, they didn't do anything, not even come up with a plan to repeal, why? Because it was a black man in the office, and to top it off, his name was Barack Hussein Obama II. Now they had their chance and have shown they don't do anything in congress other than milk their constituents.
The ones that actually work, and have a brain, disagree with the "new and improved" repeals that came out this year because it hurts people rather than help them. If the republican party would of had a nice plan ready for repeal, then maybe you could say it wasn't racist, it's a disagreement, because they didn't like the current one, but no they didn't have anything ready, and it just shows their true colors. It's one of the most pathetic falsehoods in modern history. Obama was doing a lot of things that people didn't like, including signing into law Obamacare. The electorate tossed the bums out. The Democrats went from a filibuster-proof majority to half the senators that voted for it gone and the largest Republican majority in Congress since 1928. A reasonable person would call that a mandate to oppose his legislative agenda. A miserable human being would call it an elected body of racists. I'd really like to see this forum turn around and we can get into what did get passed and how Obama sucked at compromise and working with Congress. But the first step is to get off this disease that this is all somehow due to racism. It's the absolute antithesis to debate and reasoning. I'm not going to prove the negative that it isn't racism any more than I'll ask you to prove God doesn't exist. And I didn't say "Republicans didn't do anything for eight years," I said they brought chaos down on themselves for not working on several legislative plans behind the scenes after Obamacare. A reasonable person would call it a mandate to roll out better healthcare. I understand them not doing it while Obama was in power but that doesn't excuse the rest of their obstructionism. The Supreme Court being the cherry on top. So, now that they control all 3 branches. Where is that better healthcare they were elected on, that they had 6 years to work on? You can cry foul all you want, the proof is right there. They all ran on removing the ACA and giving Americas something better. And they have NOTHING to show for it. 6 years and now that its on them they are standing there with their pants down trying to blame the other side when they cant even get a simple majority vote. You really should read my post on failure to repeal and replace Obamacare. This one is on the absurd allegation that obstruction was due to racism/the fact that Obama was a black man. Fine, let me spell it out for you. Their complete failure to do anything about the ACA shows they don't give a shit about their 'mandate' and that it was all about blocking the black guy. Now that they can't do that they are flopping around like fish out of water.
I'd personally say the simpler answer to them not caring is that all they cared about was looking combative. That's also bad as it basicly means they're obstructing for the sake of obstructing rather than a belief that what Obama does/did would be bad for their voters.
To me, trying to take a look at it from the outside, that seems to be pretty clearly the case.
The base hates them for letting Dems get away with everything they wanted (or so it was perceived) and was about to lynch them so they're trying to make it look, as much as possible, like they're against stuff Obama planned to do. Emphasis on "look" because that's what gets you elected.
The added pressure from the base perhaps I could see being a racism thing but I'd personally assume politicians care too much about themselves to be influenced by that? At least on this scale that went through the entire ranks of the republican party.
As in, more people than usually who vote republican are unhappy with their politicians beause those REP politicians they voted for let a black man do what he wants to do. I could easily see that being a thing.
But the majoritiy of politicians themselves probably just figured that with that added pressure they have to give in and obstruct everything to survive, politically speaking.
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On October 21 2017 05:50 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2017 05:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 21 2017 04:46 Danglars wrote:On October 21 2017 04:18 Adreme wrote:On October 21 2017 04:13 Danglars wrote:On October 21 2017 03:22 Danglars wrote:
We did need more racism in this thread. When a black man does it, it's racism. When a white man does it, it's disagreement. On October 21 2017 03:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:
But that's exactly what it is. Republicans didn't do anything for eight years, you said so yourself, they didn't do anything, not even come up with a plan to repeal, why? Because it was a black man in the office, and to top it off, his name was Barack Hussein Obama II. Now they had their chance and have shown they don't do anything in congress other than milk their constituents.
The ones that actually work, and have a brain, disagree with the "new and improved" repeals that came out this year because it hurts people rather than help them. If the republican party would of had a nice plan ready for repeal, then maybe you could say it wasn't racist, it's a disagreement, because they didn't like the current one, but no they didn't have anything ready, and it just shows their true colors. It's one of the most pathetic falsehoods in modern history. Obama was doing a lot of things that people didn't like, including signing into law Obamacare. The electorate tossed the bums out. The Democrats went from a filibuster-proof majority to half the senators that voted for it gone and the largest Republican majority in Congress since 1928. A reasonable person would call that a mandate to oppose his legislative agenda. A miserable human being would call it an elected body of racists. I'd really like to see this forum turn around and we can get into what did get passed and how Obama sucked at compromise and working with Congress. But the first step is to get off this disease that this is all somehow due to racism. It's the absolute antithesis to debate and reasoning. I'm not going to prove the negative that it isn't racism any more than I'll ask you to prove God doesn't exist. And I didn't say "Republicans didn't do anything for eight years," I said they brought chaos down on themselves for not working on several legislative plans behind the scenes after Obamacare. OR they look at it as a reflection on the state of the economy and since we were still at the tail end of Bush's recession the party in power got the blame whicj is typically the case. Honestly Trump should be faring much bettet in polls considering the economy Obama handed him but he has hindered that every step of the way. Polls showed deep opposition to Obamacare and people polled rated it very highly in their voting decision and Congressmen used it heavily in their campaign ads to slaughter the opposition. Trump would be higher if he kept his trap shut going into left field on all kinds of issues, berating his own staff, and sticking to his own communication office's message. He's so far chosen to not do that. The only positive side effects have been when he waded into the culture wars and chummed the waters for media moralizing (the proven putting out bait and provoking the overreaction). I'm just glad for the small things we've gotten recently despite all of it: decertifying the Iran deal, condemning their terrorist acts, out of UNESCO, and complying with court orders on ACA. I might include the NFL culture wars bit, but I'm still undecided if taking the easy win outweighs meddling with it in the first place. How is the NFL siding with he player's rights(eventually), the people not buying the flaming bag of bullshit you and Trump tried to sell about disrespecting flag/veterans, and more people supporting the players than Trump "winning" in your eyes? Oh that's right, he successfully distracted people with racist inclinations and advocates of white supremacy from the massive and systemic violations of Black people's constitutional rights, up to and including being murdered by those charged with enforcing the law, who then rarely if ever see what are always reduced punishments. Now I completely understand why you would consider that a win in the culture wars. You really can't get past overlooking Kaepernick's actual quote making the flag about black oppression, can you? Remember the original prominent kneeler that everybody remembers and associates the movement with? People might think Trump was wrong to wade in, as do I, or the players look better than Trump, and who doesn't, but it's all about patriotism instead of police brutality and you won't see more and more kneeling with the fan backlash (ratings and ticket sales). The original Goodell response and massive retraction is all anyone remembers. Is all this whining about racists behind every bush and white supremacists underneath every rock due to your black fragility or some Coates "blackness?"
Mhmm.
but it's all about patriotism instead of police brutality and you won't see more and more kneeling with the fan backlash (ratings and ticket sales). The original Goodell response and massive retraction is all anyone remembers.
I'm glad we can agree on why you think it's a win, moving on.
What intrigues me is this "Black fragility". I think the imitation is cute, but I can't imagine what you mean, as it can't possibly be the same as white fragility. So what does this term, I presume you are going to create a definition for, mean?
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On October 21 2017 05:53 Plansix wrote:
Danglars is apparently transparent. Neither white nor black. And deeply trouble whenever anyone talks about whiteness or blackness.
I hope I'll be born transparent in my next life! Just imagine the possibilities...
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On October 21 2017 04:13 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2017 03:22 Danglars wrote:
We did need more racism in this thread. When a black man does it, it's racism. When a white man does it, it's disagreement. Show nested quote +On October 21 2017 03:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:
But that's exactly what it is. Republicans didn't do anything for eight years, you said so yourself, they didn't do anything, not even come up with a plan to repeal, why? Because it was a black man in the office, and to top it off, his name was Barack Hussein Obama II. Now they had their chance and have shown they don't do anything in congress other than milk their constituents.
The ones that actually work, and have a brain, disagree with the "new and improved" repeals that came out this year because it hurts people rather than help them. If the republican party would of had a nice plan ready for repeal, then maybe you could say it wasn't racist, it's a disagreement, because they didn't like the current one, but no they didn't have anything ready, and it just shows their true colors. It's one of the most pathetic falsehoods in modern history. Obama was doing a lot of things that people didn't like, including signing into law Obamacare. The electorate tossed the bums out. The Democrats went from a filibuster-proof majority to half the senators that voted for it gone and the largest Republican majority in Congress since 1928. A reasonable person would call that a mandate to oppose his legislative agenda. A miserable human being would call it an elected body of racists. I'd really like to see this forum turn around and we can get into what did get passed and how Obama sucked at compromise and working with Congress. But the first step is to get off this disease that this is all somehow due to racism. It's the absolute antithesis to debate and reasoning. I'm not going to prove the negative that it isn't racism any more than I'll ask you to prove God doesn't exist. And I didn't say "Republicans didn't do anything for eight years," I said they brought chaos down on themselves for not working on several legislative plans behind the scenes after Obamacare.
Not a single Republican was willing to work with Obama on what was essentially the Heritage Foundation's healthcare plan, as executed by Romney. You can't insist that it was the policy they hated, and nothing to do with the man, when it was their policy.
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On October 21 2017 06:22 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2017 05:50 Danglars wrote:On October 21 2017 05:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On October 21 2017 04:46 Danglars wrote:On October 21 2017 04:18 Adreme wrote:On October 21 2017 04:13 Danglars wrote:On October 21 2017 03:22 Danglars wrote:
We did need more racism in this thread. When a black man does it, it's racism. When a white man does it, it's disagreement. On October 21 2017 03:43 ShoCkeyy wrote:
But that's exactly what it is. Republicans didn't do anything for eight years, you said so yourself, they didn't do anything, not even come up with a plan to repeal, why? Because it was a black man in the office, and to top it off, his name was Barack Hussein Obama II. Now they had their chance and have shown they don't do anything in congress other than milk their constituents.
The ones that actually work, and have a brain, disagree with the "new and improved" repeals that came out this year because it hurts people rather than help them. If the republican party would of had a nice plan ready for repeal, then maybe you could say it wasn't racist, it's a disagreement, because they didn't like the current one, but no they didn't have anything ready, and it just shows their true colors. It's one of the most pathetic falsehoods in modern history. Obama was doing a lot of things that people didn't like, including signing into law Obamacare. The electorate tossed the bums out. The Democrats went from a filibuster-proof majority to half the senators that voted for it gone and the largest Republican majority in Congress since 1928. A reasonable person would call that a mandate to oppose his legislative agenda. A miserable human being would call it an elected body of racists. I'd really like to see this forum turn around and we can get into what did get passed and how Obama sucked at compromise and working with Congress. But the first step is to get off this disease that this is all somehow due to racism. It's the absolute antithesis to debate and reasoning. I'm not going to prove the negative that it isn't racism any more than I'll ask you to prove God doesn't exist. And I didn't say "Republicans didn't do anything for eight years," I said they brought chaos down on themselves for not working on several legislative plans behind the scenes after Obamacare. OR they look at it as a reflection on the state of the economy and since we were still at the tail end of Bush's recession the party in power got the blame whicj is typically the case. Honestly Trump should be faring much bettet in polls considering the economy Obama handed him but he has hindered that every step of the way. Polls showed deep opposition to Obamacare and people polled rated it very highly in their voting decision and Congressmen used it heavily in their campaign ads to slaughter the opposition. Trump would be higher if he kept his trap shut going into left field on all kinds of issues, berating his own staff, and sticking to his own communication office's message. He's so far chosen to not do that. The only positive side effects have been when he waded into the culture wars and chummed the waters for media moralizing (the proven putting out bait and provoking the overreaction). I'm just glad for the small things we've gotten recently despite all of it: decertifying the Iran deal, condemning their terrorist acts, out of UNESCO, and complying with court orders on ACA. I might include the NFL culture wars bit, but I'm still undecided if taking the easy win outweighs meddling with it in the first place. How is the NFL siding with he player's rights(eventually), the people not buying the flaming bag of bullshit you and Trump tried to sell about disrespecting flag/veterans, and more people supporting the players than Trump "winning" in your eyes? Oh that's right, he successfully distracted people with racist inclinations and advocates of white supremacy from the massive and systemic violations of Black people's constitutional rights, up to and including being murdered by those charged with enforcing the law, who then rarely if ever see what are always reduced punishments. Now I completely understand why you would consider that a win in the culture wars. You really can't get past overlooking Kaepernick's actual quote making the flag about black oppression, can you? Remember the original prominent kneeler that everybody remembers and associates the movement with? People might think Trump was wrong to wade in, as do I, or the players look better than Trump, and who doesn't, but it's all about patriotism instead of police brutality and you won't see more and more kneeling with the fan backlash (ratings and ticket sales). The original Goodell response and massive retraction is all anyone remembers. Is all this whining about racists behind every bush and white supremacists underneath every rock due to your black fragility or some Coates "blackness?" Mhmm. Show nested quote + but it's all about patriotism instead of police brutality and you won't see more and more kneeling with the fan backlash (ratings and ticket sales). The original Goodell response and massive retraction is all anyone remembers. I'm glad we can agree on why you think it's a win, moving on. What intrigues me is this "Black fragility". I think the imitation is cute, but I can't imagine what you mean, as it can't possibly be the same as white fragility. So what does this term, I presume you are going to create a definition for, mean?
I’m only poking a little fun at how often racism/white supremacy/white fragility/whiteness gets brought up by you to explain it all. If white fragility is one hurt backlash, then being told it isn’t all about terrible people that hate other races is certainly prompting your black fragility to come out. Now I need a White Coates to pen an article in the Atlantic about how blackness is responsible for this mental derangement and we can come full circle.
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This woman is having the time of her life
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Rep. Frederica Wilson: ‘The White House Itself Is Full of
The congresswoman who’s been in a back-and-forth with the White House for days over President Trump‘s call to Sgt. La David Johnson‘s widow has continued to slam the White House.
Rep. Frederica Wilson (D- FL) first relayed what Trump said on that call, and the White House hit back, with even Gen. John Kelly publicly criticizing her yesterday.
And after video surfaced showing one of Kelly’s attacks against Wilson was inaccurate, Wilson again blasted him and the White House.
In an interview today with The New York Times, Wilson said, “I feel very sorry for him because he feels such a need to lie on me and I’m not even his enemy. I just can’t even imagine why he would fabricate something like that. That is absolutely insane. I’m just flabbergasted because it’s very easy to trace.”
The Times report says that she “stopped short” of accusing Kelly himself of racial animus, “she did say that others in the White House are racially biased”:
Ms. Wilson, in an interview on Friday, called Mr. Kelly a liar and hinted strongly that the altercation, prompted by a call from President Trump to the widow of a fallen black soldier, was racially charged.
“The White House itself is full of white supremacists,” she said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/20/us/politics/trump-kelly-congresswoman-wilson-niger.html?_r=0
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