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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9620 Posts
October 17 2017 16:21 GMT
#180181
yea i mean he did the same thing just last page deflecting from criticisms of his attempt to downplay the facebook ads.

rinse, repeat.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 17 2017 16:23 GMT
#180182
On October 18 2017 01:21 brian wrote:
yea i mean he did the same thing just last page deflecting from criticisms of his attempt to downplay the facebook ads.

rinse, repeat.

Keep us having the same discussion over and over and over and over. Keep this debate alive forever, no other debates take place. The divisions stay the same forever.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-17 16:24:49
October 17 2017 16:23 GMT
#180183
On October 18 2017 01:14 brian wrote:
and to say nobody denied it is just a lie. many did. here. in this topic. and you’re still trying to downplay it right now, i’m betting if i dig hard enough i’ll find you denying it personally.

I, among others, said, "evidence please." A reasonable request; no point in jumping to conclusions without taking a chance to analyze if things are as they seem. I still stand by that statement, and by "let the investigations run their course without playing this stupid game." The desire to interpret that in a different way is the real tribalism here.

On October 18 2017 01:20 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 01:13 LegalLord wrote:
On October 18 2017 00:39 Plansix wrote:
Every time I wonder how we got played so hard by Russia, I just need to come back to this thread and see the tribalism in action.

If you want to see tribalism, start by looking in a mirror. Any "influence" Russia may have had was magnified a hundred fold by the millions ready to just parrot feel-good "17 intelligence agencies say Russia was responsible for everything" while ignoring the fact that pretty much no one ever denied that - they just cared far more about issues closer to home. And didn't care for putting their head in the sand and crying Russia, wondering why no one pays attention anymore.

Tell us again how the EU is bad, Brexit is good, Russia didn't invade Crimea and the reason the USSR failed is nations that separated never integrated appropriately?

Seriously, do you think you are fooling anyone anymore?

Your petty tribalism on full display is duly noted.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9620 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-17 16:28:00
October 17 2017 16:25 GMT
#180184
i don’t believe you. but i also don’t care enough to prove either of us right. but i do take small offense by your insinuation of my own tribalism. i don’t identify you as any kind of right leaning individual whatsoever(my impression actually is that you were fairly liberal with few conservative values.) i don’t have anything against the conservatives or GOP and my expression of distrust and dishonesty in you is solely personal.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15690 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-17 16:26:28
October 17 2017 16:25 GMT
#180185
On October 18 2017 01:23 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 01:14 brian wrote:
and to say nobody denied it is just a lie. many did. here. in this topic. and you’re still trying to downplay it right now, i’m betting if i dig hard enough i’ll find you denying it personally.

I, among others, said, "evidence please." A reasonable request; no point in jumping to conclusions without taking a chance to analyze if things are as they seem. I still stand by that statement, and by "let the investigations run their course without playing this stupid game." The desire to interpret that in a different way is the real tribalism here.


You were massively condescending throughout this entire ordeal. Every single time a piece of evidence came out, you moved the goal post. It's not like you've never trolled this thread before. Every now and then you seem to just get in a certain mood and basically just shitpost the whole day. You also post great stuff sometimes. I just don't understand why you sometimes make a very conscious effort to shit up the thread. It feels like you are trying to punish people for using poor logic or bad argumentative form and that kinda thing, but it hurts the whole thread, not just the individual posters. You have a lot of great ideas that you contribute, but sometimes you definitely go another direction.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 17 2017 16:34 GMT
#180186
On October 18 2017 01:25 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 01:23 LegalLord wrote:
On October 18 2017 01:14 brian wrote:
and to say nobody denied it is just a lie. many did. here. in this topic. and you’re still trying to downplay it right now, i’m betting if i dig hard enough i’ll find you denying it personally.

I, among others, said, "evidence please." A reasonable request; no point in jumping to conclusions without taking a chance to analyze if things are as they seem. I still stand by that statement, and by "let the investigations run their course without playing this stupid game." The desire to interpret that in a different way is the real tribalism here.


You were massively condescending throughout this entire ordeal. Every single time a piece of evidence came out, you moved the goal post. It's not like you've never trolled this thread before. Every now and then you seem to just get in a certain mood and basically just shitpost the whole day. You also post great stuff sometimes. I just don't understand why you sometimes make a very conscious effort to shit up the thread. It feels like you are trying to punish people for using poor logic or bad argumentative form and that kinda thing, but it hurts the whole thread, not just the individual posters. You have a lot of great ideas that you contribute, but sometimes you definitely go another direction.

LL gets very grumpy when posters call him on his Russian shilling in different threads. Pretending to be a UK citizen and shitting up the Russia invades Crimea thread saying there was no proof. Once some posters started to see the same tactics over and over across 2-3 political threads, they called it out. And there was a collective "I thought I was taking crazy pills" moment took place.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-17 16:38:47
October 17 2017 16:34 GMT
#180187
On October 18 2017 01:25 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 01:23 LegalLord wrote:
On October 18 2017 01:14 brian wrote:
and to say nobody denied it is just a lie. many did. here. in this topic. and you’re still trying to downplay it right now, i’m betting if i dig hard enough i’ll find you denying it personally.

I, among others, said, "evidence please." A reasonable request; no point in jumping to conclusions without taking a chance to analyze if things are as they seem. I still stand by that statement, and by "let the investigations run their course without playing this stupid game." The desire to interpret that in a different way is the real tribalism here.


You were massively condescending throughout this entire ordeal. Every single time a piece of evidence came out, you moved the goal post. It's not like you've never trolled this thread before. Every now and then you seem to just get in a certain mood and basically just shitpost the whole day. You also post great stuff sometimes. I just don't understand why you sometimes make a very conscious effort to shit up the thread. It feels like you are trying to punish people for using poor logic or bad argumentative form and that kinda thing, but it hurts the whole thread, not just the individual posters. You have a lot of great ideas that you contribute, but sometimes you definitely go another direction.

If you want to complain about someone shitting up the thread, you're looking at the wrong person. As xDaunt so rightly pointed out, many of you folk simply don't realize that you post consistently in a shitty manner. You fall into that group once in a while, although I generally don't feel the need to respond.

I don't emotionally leap from one "bombshell" to another to try to justify a narrative. Evidence is not "some anonymous guy leaked information that follows a conclusion I buy into." It's actual evidence. And yes, stupidity will rightfully be met with condescension because that's what it deserves. If you want a good discussion, start with discussion. Want a shitfest? Act like a Yahoo News comments troll. Some individuals do the latter.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9620 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-17 16:44:01
October 17 2017 16:41 GMT
#180188
On October 18 2017 01:34 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 01:25 Mohdoo wrote:
On October 18 2017 01:23 LegalLord wrote:
On October 18 2017 01:14 brian wrote:
and to say nobody denied it is just a lie. many did. here. in this topic. and you’re still trying to downplay it right now, i’m betting if i dig hard enough i’ll find you denying it personally.

I, among others, said, "evidence please." A reasonable request; no point in jumping to conclusions without taking a chance to analyze if things are as they seem. I still stand by that statement, and by "let the investigations run their course without playing this stupid game." The desire to interpret that in a different way is the real tribalism here.


You were massively condescending throughout this entire ordeal. Every single time a piece of evidence came out, you moved the goal post. It's not like you've never trolled this thread before. Every now and then you seem to just get in a certain mood and basically just shitpost the whole day. You also post great stuff sometimes. I just don't understand why you sometimes make a very conscious effort to shit up the thread. It feels like you are trying to punish people for using poor logic or bad argumentative form and that kinda thing, but it hurts the whole thread, not just the individual posters. You have a lot of great ideas that you contribute, but sometimes you definitely go another direction.

If you want to complain about someone shitting up the thread, you're looking at the wrong person. As xDaunt so rightly pointed out, many of you folk simply don't realize that you post consistently in a shitty manner. You fall into that group once in a while, although I generally don't feel the need to respond.

I don't emotionally leap from one "bombshell" to another to try to justify a narrative. Evidence is not "some anonymous guy leaked information that follows a conclusion I buy into." It's actual evidence. And yes, stupidity will rightfully be met with condescension because that's what it deserves. If you want a good discussion, start with discussion. Want a shitfest? Act like a Yahoo News comments troll. Some individuals do the latter.



is deflecting any response of your downplaying the russian interference in favor of whataboutisms on american business practices your standard of discussion, or your standard of yahoo news comments?
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21722 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-17 16:44:28
October 17 2017 16:44 GMT
#180189
A Russian living in the US who pretends to be British, believes all EU posters live in Mega Cities and that Eastern Europeans cant integrate into the EU because they didn't accept USSR oppression is the last person anyone is going to take seriously on when it concerns Russia's actions.

Keep on shilling LL, gotta earn that Kremlin paycheck.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
October 17 2017 16:44 GMT
#180190
On another note, I found this interesting.
Steve Bannon won’t abandon his war against congressional Republican incumbents, not even after President Donald Trump publicly pleaded for a truce that could salvage the tax overhaul at the heart of his legislative agenda.

Trump’s ousted chief strategist will continue to back insurgent candidates who pledge to usurp Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, a person familiar with Bannon’s plans said. His message was made plain on Monday on the Breitbart News website he once again runs: “Bitter Mitch! Triggered by Bannon,” one headline crowed.

Trump sought to unite Republicans with a public embrace of McConnell, who stood next to the president in the White House Rose Garden on Monday during an impromptu 40-minute news conference. Trump declared his party “very unified,” described himself as “closer than ever before” with McConnell and said he’d ask Bannon to back off a promised “season of war” against Republican incumbents.

There are deep fears in the White House and among Republicans that the tax overhaul, considered vital for next year’s midterms by the party’s strategists, will follow Obamacare repeal to the legislative ash heap. That would likely leave Trump without a substantive legislative accomplishment after a year in office.

www.bloomberg.com

I might not agree with him on much but I must say I admire the principled approach he isn't giving up on. Can't deny he is effective either.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-17 16:51:41
October 17 2017 16:48 GMT
#180191
On October 18 2017 01:41 brian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 01:34 LegalLord wrote:
On October 18 2017 01:25 Mohdoo wrote:
On October 18 2017 01:23 LegalLord wrote:
On October 18 2017 01:14 brian wrote:
and to say nobody denied it is just a lie. many did. here. in this topic. and you’re still trying to downplay it right now, i’m betting if i dig hard enough i’ll find you denying it personally.

I, among others, said, "evidence please." A reasonable request; no point in jumping to conclusions without taking a chance to analyze if things are as they seem. I still stand by that statement, and by "let the investigations run their course without playing this stupid game." The desire to interpret that in a different way is the real tribalism here.


You were massively condescending throughout this entire ordeal. Every single time a piece of evidence came out, you moved the goal post. It's not like you've never trolled this thread before. Every now and then you seem to just get in a certain mood and basically just shitpost the whole day. You also post great stuff sometimes. I just don't understand why you sometimes make a very conscious effort to shit up the thread. It feels like you are trying to punish people for using poor logic or bad argumentative form and that kinda thing, but it hurts the whole thread, not just the individual posters. You have a lot of great ideas that you contribute, but sometimes you definitely go another direction.

If you want to complain about someone shitting up the thread, you're looking at the wrong person. As xDaunt so rightly pointed out, many of you folk simply don't realize that you post consistently in a shitty manner. You fall into that group once in a while, although I generally don't feel the need to respond.

I don't emotionally leap from one "bombshell" to another to try to justify a narrative. Evidence is not "some anonymous guy leaked information that follows a conclusion I buy into." It's actual evidence. And yes, stupidity will rightfully be met with condescension because that's what it deserves. If you want a good discussion, start with discussion. Want a shitfest? Act like a Yahoo News comments troll. Some individuals do the latter.



is deflecting any response of your downplaying the russian interference in favor of whataboutisms on american business practices

The fact that you intend to see that as a whataboutism, rather than something that I thought was briefly worth mentioning because you said "only rusha does it that way" makes it clear that it is of the Yahoo News comments variety. Also falling into that is "here's a list of strawmanned up grievances I want to compile from discussions from months ago."

You walk into any such discussion looking for a hostile approach. And to make a "zinger" to show that you are in the right. As I say, you simply don't realize that you are posting like shit consistently. That's just a shit standard that you don't see the problem with.

Edit: and one advocating for copypastas. That's brilliant.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
RealityIsKing
Profile Joined August 2016
613 Posts
October 17 2017 16:48 GMT
#180192
Its just a bunch of Hillary Clinton supporting sore losers that can't accept the fact that she lost the presidential election.

And now they are blaming everybody else beside themselves (just like and takes on every single chance they can get to shit on Trump for substances that are very insignificant to the continuous development of the nation.

Lots of people here continuously shit on Fox news/Breitbart by saying that they are partisan without realizing their own "news/fact" sources are biased. This includes CNN, MSNBC, New York Times, etc. So knowing that, some people's entire world views are constructed by these sources so it became rather difficult trying to reason with them.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10736 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-17 16:51:45
October 17 2017 16:49 GMT
#180193
On October 18 2017 01:44 Gorsameth wrote:
A Russian living in the US who pretends to be British, believes all EU posters live in Mega Cities and that Eastern Europeans cant integrate into the EU because they didn't accept USSR oppression is the last person anyone is going to take seriously on when it concerns Russia's actions.

Keep on shilling LL, gotta earn that Kremlin paycheck.


We shoud copy paste this and just throw it at LL everyime he shows up in the EU tread... Good job

@realityisweirdasfuckforyourself
No news is unbiased but Fox/Breitbard and co. are actively pushing agendas. Thats why they get shit on by everyone not on their page.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13963 Posts
October 17 2017 16:51 GMT
#180194
Brian has done little more in this thread then attack LL. Its zelfin on danglers level personal crusade.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9620 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-17 16:58:23
October 17 2017 16:52 GMT
#180195
On October 18 2017 01:48 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 01:41 brian wrote:
On October 18 2017 01:34 LegalLord wrote:
On October 18 2017 01:25 Mohdoo wrote:
On October 18 2017 01:23 LegalLord wrote:
On October 18 2017 01:14 brian wrote:
and to say nobody denied it is just a lie. many did. here. in this topic. and you’re still trying to downplay it right now, i’m betting if i dig hard enough i’ll find you denying it personally.

I, among others, said, "evidence please." A reasonable request; no point in jumping to conclusions without taking a chance to analyze if things are as they seem. I still stand by that statement, and by "let the investigations run their course without playing this stupid game." The desire to interpret that in a different way is the real tribalism here.


You were massively condescending throughout this entire ordeal. Every single time a piece of evidence came out, you moved the goal post. It's not like you've never trolled this thread before. Every now and then you seem to just get in a certain mood and basically just shitpost the whole day. You also post great stuff sometimes. I just don't understand why you sometimes make a very conscious effort to shit up the thread. It feels like you are trying to punish people for using poor logic or bad argumentative form and that kinda thing, but it hurts the whole thread, not just the individual posters. You have a lot of great ideas that you contribute, but sometimes you definitely go another direction.

If you want to complain about someone shitting up the thread, you're looking at the wrong person. As xDaunt so rightly pointed out, many of you folk simply don't realize that you post consistently in a shitty manner. You fall into that group once in a while, although I generally don't feel the need to respond.

I don't emotionally leap from one "bombshell" to another to try to justify a narrative. Evidence is not "some anonymous guy leaked information that follows a conclusion I buy into." It's actual evidence. And yes, stupidity will rightfully be met with condescension because that's what it deserves. If you want a good discussion, start with discussion. Want a shitfest? Act like a Yahoo News comments troll. Some individuals do the latter.



is deflecting any response of your downplaying the russian interference in favor of whataboutisms on american business practices

The fact that you intend to see that as a whataboutism, rather than something that I thought was briefly worth mentioning because you said "only rusha does it that way" makes it clear that it is of the Yahoo News comments variety. Also falling into that is "here's a list of strawmanned up grievances I want to compile from discussions from months ago."

You walk into any such discussion looking for a hostile approach. And to make a "zinger" to show that you are in the right. As I say, you simply don't realize that you are posting like shit consistently.

you didn’t briefly mention it. you ignored the response and deflected towards the whataboutism. and i didn’t interpret it that way, you literally saw a comparison to illegal behavior and said ‘americans do this too.’ when i brought the conversation back to the topic at hand, for the second time you deflected back to your whataboutism with ‘bet they won’t see jail time!’

i’m not getting zingers. i’m displaying to the rest your blatant hypocrisy because your posting over the last four pages has been abysmal.

credit where due though, your balls in calling out other posters at the same time? they must be massive.

On October 18 2017 01:51 Sermokala wrote:
Brian has done little more in this thread then attack LL. Its zelfin on danglers level personal crusade.

this is the second time in history i have called LL out personally. given my thousand posts in this thread, this should be clearly false.

Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-17 16:55:03
October 17 2017 16:53 GMT
#180196
On October 18 2017 01:49 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 01:44 Gorsameth wrote:
A Russian living in the US who pretends to be British, believes all EU posters live in Mega Cities and that Eastern Europeans cant integrate into the EU because they didn't accept USSR oppression is the last person anyone is going to take seriously on when it concerns Russia's actions.

Keep on shilling LL, gotta earn that Kremlin paycheck.


We shoud copy paste this and just throw it at LL everyime he shows up in the EU tread... Good job

@realityisweirdasfuckforyourself
No news is unbiased but Fox/Breitbard and co. are actively pushing agendas. Thats why they get shit on by everyone not on their page.

And also make up completely fake shit like Clinton being the Shadow President.

On October 18 2017 01:52 brian wrote:

Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 01:51 Sermokala wrote:
Brian has done little more in this thread then attack LL. Its zelfin on danglers level personal crusade.

this is the second time in history i have called LL out personally. given my thousand posts in this thread, this should be clearly false.

I was about to say, if anyone is guilty of that, its me. But that is just because I got there like mid 2016.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10736 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-17 16:57:23
October 17 2017 16:55 GMT
#180197
Hillary just wasn't electable enough to win Brexit. We brits understood that and the EU needs to go because russian influence on american election is a sideshow....

Someone should do a collage..
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-17 16:59:42
October 17 2017 16:58 GMT
#180198
On October 18 2017 01:52 brian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 01:48 LegalLord wrote:
On October 18 2017 01:41 brian wrote:
On October 18 2017 01:34 LegalLord wrote:
On October 18 2017 01:25 Mohdoo wrote:
On October 18 2017 01:23 LegalLord wrote:
On October 18 2017 01:14 brian wrote:
and to say nobody denied it is just a lie. many did. here. in this topic. and you’re still trying to downplay it right now, i’m betting if i dig hard enough i’ll find you denying it personally.

I, among others, said, "evidence please." A reasonable request; no point in jumping to conclusions without taking a chance to analyze if things are as they seem. I still stand by that statement, and by "let the investigations run their course without playing this stupid game." The desire to interpret that in a different way is the real tribalism here.


You were massively condescending throughout this entire ordeal. Every single time a piece of evidence came out, you moved the goal post. It's not like you've never trolled this thread before. Every now and then you seem to just get in a certain mood and basically just shitpost the whole day. You also post great stuff sometimes. I just don't understand why you sometimes make a very conscious effort to shit up the thread. It feels like you are trying to punish people for using poor logic or bad argumentative form and that kinda thing, but it hurts the whole thread, not just the individual posters. You have a lot of great ideas that you contribute, but sometimes you definitely go another direction.

If you want to complain about someone shitting up the thread, you're looking at the wrong person. As xDaunt so rightly pointed out, many of you folk simply don't realize that you post consistently in a shitty manner. You fall into that group once in a while, although I generally don't feel the need to respond.

I don't emotionally leap from one "bombshell" to another to try to justify a narrative. Evidence is not "some anonymous guy leaked information that follows a conclusion I buy into." It's actual evidence. And yes, stupidity will rightfully be met with condescension because that's what it deserves. If you want a good discussion, start with discussion. Want a shitfest? Act like a Yahoo News comments troll. Some individuals do the latter.



is deflecting any response of your downplaying the russian interference in favor of whataboutisms on american business practices

The fact that you intend to see that as a whataboutism, rather than something that I thought was briefly worth mentioning because you said "only rusha does it that way" makes it clear that it is of the Yahoo News comments variety. Also falling into that is "here's a list of strawmanned up grievances I want to compile from discussions from months ago."

You walk into any such discussion looking for a hostile approach. And to make a "zinger" to show that you are in the right. As I say, you simply don't realize that you are posting like shit consistently.

you didn’t briefly mention it. you ignored the response and deflected towards the whataboutism. and i didn’t interpret it that way, you literally saw a comparison to illegal behavior and said ‘americans do this too.’ when i brought the conversation back to the topic at hand, for the second time you deflected back to your whataboutism with ‘bet they won’t see jail time!’

Well as an expert in knowing what I meant to say, that's definitely not what it was. You wanted to say "no one but rusha does it!" and I can say that's not really true.

Beyond that? Looking for some acknowledgment of how evil and clever that $100k of spending on targeted attack ads was (assuming it actually happened)? Well I will give you the latter. But perhaps what you're looking for is a WaPo style "unprecedented meddling destroying democracy" type of response. Nah, not my cup of tea.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9620 Posts
October 17 2017 17:00 GMT
#180199
On October 18 2017 01:58 LegalLord wrote:
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On October 18 2017 01:52 brian wrote:
On October 18 2017 01:48 LegalLord wrote:
On October 18 2017 01:41 brian wrote:
On October 18 2017 01:34 LegalLord wrote:
On October 18 2017 01:25 Mohdoo wrote:
On October 18 2017 01:23 LegalLord wrote:
On October 18 2017 01:14 brian wrote:
and to say nobody denied it is just a lie. many did. here. in this topic. and you’re still trying to downplay it right now, i’m betting if i dig hard enough i’ll find you denying it personally.

I, among others, said, "evidence please." A reasonable request; no point in jumping to conclusions without taking a chance to analyze if things are as they seem. I still stand by that statement, and by "let the investigations run their course without playing this stupid game." The desire to interpret that in a different way is the real tribalism here.


You were massively condescending throughout this entire ordeal. Every single time a piece of evidence came out, you moved the goal post. It's not like you've never trolled this thread before. Every now and then you seem to just get in a certain mood and basically just shitpost the whole day. You also post great stuff sometimes. I just don't understand why you sometimes make a very conscious effort to shit up the thread. It feels like you are trying to punish people for using poor logic or bad argumentative form and that kinda thing, but it hurts the whole thread, not just the individual posters. You have a lot of great ideas that you contribute, but sometimes you definitely go another direction.

If you want to complain about someone shitting up the thread, you're looking at the wrong person. As xDaunt so rightly pointed out, many of you folk simply don't realize that you post consistently in a shitty manner. You fall into that group once in a while, although I generally don't feel the need to respond.

I don't emotionally leap from one "bombshell" to another to try to justify a narrative. Evidence is not "some anonymous guy leaked information that follows a conclusion I buy into." It's actual evidence. And yes, stupidity will rightfully be met with condescension because that's what it deserves. If you want a good discussion, start with discussion. Want a shitfest? Act like a Yahoo News comments troll. Some individuals do the latter.



is deflecting any response of your downplaying the russian interference in favor of whataboutisms on american business practices

The fact that you intend to see that as a whataboutism, rather than something that I thought was briefly worth mentioning because you said "only rusha does it that way" makes it clear that it is of the Yahoo News comments variety. Also falling into that is "here's a list of strawmanned up grievances I want to compile from discussions from months ago."

You walk into any such discussion looking for a hostile approach. And to make a "zinger" to show that you are in the right. As I say, you simply don't realize that you are posting like shit consistently.

you didn’t briefly mention it. you ignored the response and deflected towards the whataboutism. and i didn’t interpret it that way, you literally saw a comparison to illegal behavior and said ‘americans do this too.’ when i brought the conversation back to the topic at hand, for the second time you deflected back to your whataboutism with ‘bet they won’t see jail time!’

Well as an expert in knowing what I meant to say, that's definitely not what it was. You wanted to say "no one but rusha does it!" and I can say that's not really true.

Beyond that? Looking for some acknowledgment of how evil and clever that $100k of spending on targeted attack ads was? Well I will give you the latter. But perhaps what you're looking for is a WaPo style "unprecedented meddling destroying democracy" type of response. Nah, not my cup of tea.


as a similar expert, i didn’t say anything even remotely to that affect. on the other hand, if you’d like me to quote you to you, you need only ask.
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United States60190 Posts
October 17 2017 17:00 GMT
#180200
On October 18 2017 01:58 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2017 01:52 brian wrote:
On October 18 2017 01:48 LegalLord wrote:
On October 18 2017 01:41 brian wrote:
On October 18 2017 01:34 LegalLord wrote:
On October 18 2017 01:25 Mohdoo wrote:
On October 18 2017 01:23 LegalLord wrote:
On October 18 2017 01:14 brian wrote:
and to say nobody denied it is just a lie. many did. here. in this topic. and you’re still trying to downplay it right now, i’m betting if i dig hard enough i’ll find you denying it personally.

I, among others, said, "evidence please." A reasonable request; no point in jumping to conclusions without taking a chance to analyze if things are as they seem. I still stand by that statement, and by "let the investigations run their course without playing this stupid game." The desire to interpret that in a different way is the real tribalism here.


You were massively condescending throughout this entire ordeal. Every single time a piece of evidence came out, you moved the goal post. It's not like you've never trolled this thread before. Every now and then you seem to just get in a certain mood and basically just shitpost the whole day. You also post great stuff sometimes. I just don't understand why you sometimes make a very conscious effort to shit up the thread. It feels like you are trying to punish people for using poor logic or bad argumentative form and that kinda thing, but it hurts the whole thread, not just the individual posters. You have a lot of great ideas that you contribute, but sometimes you definitely go another direction.

If you want to complain about someone shitting up the thread, you're looking at the wrong person. As xDaunt so rightly pointed out, many of you folk simply don't realize that you post consistently in a shitty manner. You fall into that group once in a while, although I generally don't feel the need to respond.

I don't emotionally leap from one "bombshell" to another to try to justify a narrative. Evidence is not "some anonymous guy leaked information that follows a conclusion I buy into." It's actual evidence. And yes, stupidity will rightfully be met with condescension because that's what it deserves. If you want a good discussion, start with discussion. Want a shitfest? Act like a Yahoo News comments troll. Some individuals do the latter.



is deflecting any response of your downplaying the russian interference in favor of whataboutisms on american business practices

The fact that you intend to see that as a whataboutism, rather than something that I thought was briefly worth mentioning because you said "only rusha does it that way" makes it clear that it is of the Yahoo News comments variety. Also falling into that is "here's a list of strawmanned up grievances I want to compile from discussions from months ago."

You walk into any such discussion looking for a hostile approach. And to make a "zinger" to show that you are in the right. As I say, you simply don't realize that you are posting like shit consistently.

you didn’t briefly mention it. you ignored the response and deflected towards the whataboutism. and i didn’t interpret it that way, you literally saw a comparison to illegal behavior and said ‘americans do this too.’ when i brought the conversation back to the topic at hand, for the second time you deflected back to your whataboutism with ‘bet they won’t see jail time!’

Well as an expert in knowing what I meant to say, that's definitely not what it was. You wanted to say "no one but rusha does it!" and I can say that's not really true.

Beyond that? Looking for some acknowledgment of how evil and clever that $100k of spending on targeted attack ads was? Well I will give you the latter. But perhaps what you're looking for is a WaPo style "unprecedented meddling destroying democracy" type of response. Nah, not my cup of tea.

Narrator: 100K that that public is aware of, as the investigation has not completed or been released to the public.
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