US Politics Mega-thread - Page 8941

On October 07 2017 00:30 zlefin wrote:

where does it specify it's a criminal violation? I looked throug hseveral areas there, and it's all talking about civil law rather than criminal.

On October 06 2017 17:52 ahswtini wrote:

that's because of their definition of an "assault weapon"

most of these are just cosmetic features. a pistol grip and folding stock just slightly improve the ergonomics. flash suppressor doesn't make the rifle more lethal either. bayonet mount and grenade launcher are just LOL. what they really wanted to do was ban "military-style rifles" aka scary black rifles, and to do so, they picked a load of attachments that you often see on AR-15s and defined assault weapons based off those. and they wanted to go for a name that was as similar and as scary as "assault rifle" because they knew that the media and general public would confuse the two.

On October 07 2017 00:31 Mohdoo wrote:
Incompetence isn't fake news. Fake news is Pizzagate.

On October 07 2017 00:31 Mohdoo wrote:
Incompetence isn't fake news. Fake news is Pizzagate.

On October 07 2017 00:34 Nevuk wrote:
I don't think anyone would be arguing, ever, if the argument was posed as "CNN is incompetent" rather than "CNN is fake news!" (This isn't really specifically about this latest thing with danglars, just an observation). It would also be much harder for CNN to ignore because it is a valid, provable assertion.

The largest U.S. business group strongly urged the Trump administration Friday to withdraw a number of "highly dangerous" proposals in talks to renegotiate NAFTA and warned that pulling out of the pact would have disastrous consequences for many states that backed President Donald Trump in the election.

"Today, we’re increasingly concerned about the state of the negotiations," John Murphy, senior vice president at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, told reporters. The comments come a few days before the United States will host Canada and Mexico for the fourth round of talks on renegotiating the nearly 24-year-old pact.

The Chamber has expressed concerns about certain proposals in previous trade agreements, but never on as many proposals as are currently under consideration in the NAFTA talks, Murphy said.

Many businesses, large and small, are concerned about the effects that many of the Trump administration proposals or planned proposals would have on trade. Those at issue would reduce Canada and Mexico's access to the U.S. government procurement market, create a new domestic content provision for auto and tighten regional content requirements, and automatically terminate the agreement after five years unless all three countries agree to renew the pact — known as a sunset clause.

"We see these proposals as highly dangerous, and even one of them would be sufficient to move the business and agriculture community to oppose an agreement that included them," Murphy said.

The veteran business official said the administration's proposals for revamping the dispute settlement provisions of the pact have also caused concern, as has another proposal to create a new anti-dumping mechanism for seasonal and perishable products.

"I would say the vast majority of the U.S. business and agricultural community opposes these proposals broadly and emphatically," Murphy said. "This will do harm" to American companies that currently benefit from the pact, he said, putting it in contrast to the White House's pledge that it will "do no harm" with the changes.

Canada and Mexico also strongly oppose the ideas, creating a major concern that if the Trump administration proceeds with the proposals "it will lead to a chaotic breakdown" in the talks, he said.

If that happens and Trump follows through on threats to withdraw from the pact, that would quickly lead "to the loss of hundreds of thousands of American jobs. It would be an economic and political debacle," Murphy said, noting both Mexico and Canada have made clear they would not continue to negotiate under those conditions.

“Withdrawing from the NAFTA would immediately blow up in the face of the administration,” he continued. “Those would feel the pain most thoroughly and immediately are in states that voted for the president and they would know who brought this about. So, as a political proposition, it’s just as big a loser as it is economically.”

In one sign of concern in rural communities, wheat farmer groups on Thursday expressed frustration with the Trump administration's preoccupation with renegotiating deals like NAFTA and the U.S.-South Korea Free Trade Agreement, instead of following through on campaign promises to negotiate new bilateral pacts.

“In the decade since KORUS was negotiated we have no new trade agreements and zero additional market access for wheat farmers," Vince Peterson, president of the U.S. Wheat Associates, said.

Murphy emphasized that the U.S. Chamber supports the idea of modernizing NAFTA and believes that a new deal that would be good for Canada, Mexico and the United States can be struck and win approval in Congress.

"So, we're urging the administration to recalibrate its approach and stop and listen to the business community, the agriculture community, the people who actually engage in trade and return to principle of 'do no harm' because these proposals, if adopted, will do harm," he said.

On October 07 2017 00:48 Velr wrote:
That somehow tends to happen only to you...

On October 07 2017 00:48 Velr wrote:
That somehow tends to happen only to you...

On October 07 2017 01:10 Danglars wrote:

Feel free to single out others with the ridiculous behavior. I won't stop you.

Even with that said, you're half right haha. There's a perspective held by a two or three, then there's nearly every other poster in the forum thread. Mob mentality at it's finest!

On October 07 2017 00:29 Danglars wrote:


I never called it fake news. The youtube poster titled is as he/she wanted. The clip is from CNN, does show the linked image (look @ 1 second). The only time this was in the news was in light of the recent Las Vegas shooting. Image matches, supporting the chyron, which makes explicit reference.

People said I was lying that CNN did not display a false image for a bump stock (but replete with other features). Now, it's that we shouldn't judge them too hard at showing a rifle without a bump stock in order to show how a bump stock works because it shows some idea that they know recoil against trigger finger is the operating mechanism. Keep moving goalposts, Dangermousecatdog. You're acting like Peter Daou with Hillary Clinton: it doesn't matter that they're wrong, what matters is they missed the target by 10 feet instead of an acre. Just admit they demonstrated incompetence and low journalistic standards so next time we talk, I won't remember you will never admit when CNN is absolutely in the wrong.


You're basing all this on the titling of the youtube video showing the clip I was after. You're arguing against a straw man not in existence. You're acting like a shameless hyperpartisan. Read the quote chain, and fucking end it once you've admitted the central point: CNN was damn incompetent in their coverage. You don't have to sneer so hard just to let the other side gain a remarkably narrow point.

On October 07 2017 01:36 Plansix wrote:
I have been dog piled and called uninformed every time I post a strong opinion the shitty tech industry. Mostly by people who say I don’t understand code or development, which is not completely invalid. I'm not shocked by the dogpiling, I have a very low opinion of the tech industry and of course some people think my opinions are unfair or overly harsh. Especially on a tech heavy site like this one.

But I don’t act like a kicked puppy every time it happens. If you want to have strong opinions on a topic, stop whining about the opposition being mean to you.

On October 07 2017 02:06 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
What is MSM? Googling gave me Methylsulfonylmethane. MSM is rich in organic sulphur, an important ‘building block’ for healthy bones and joints, and it’s very useful for your immune system.