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The left discusses the issues with America more beacuse they want to change those.things more then the right. Its a shitty trap that people.like xdaunt are falling into that make.them look bad.
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Everybody should quiet down.
Are people getting the help they need in PR?
Yes they are.
Is this taken care of better than Katrina?
Yes it is by damage control.
Ok so problem solved and move on to the gun issue.
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Uhm, by everything i hear non of your statements hold up.
Btw: its not actually about left vs right, its conservatism vs progressism, l/r just tend to lean in one of the two pretty hard but its in no way 100% clear. With more parties you would see that clearer.
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On October 05 2017 01:26 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2017 01:23 Mohdoo wrote:On October 05 2017 01:20 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:18 Plansix wrote:
The dude Xdaunt voted for won the election by running around the country saying it was garbage, but we hate America for doing the same thing. Apparently we aren’t patriots, but we could get Xdaunt’s vote. Good luck arguing that Trump and his supporters are unpatriotic. They very clearly side side with the country and the flag on just about every issue. The contrast is quite stark with y'all on the Left. Can you explain how exactly someone sides with a flag? how does someone oppose the flag? Surely you have noted where the battle lines are drawn on the NFL issue. I can't think of a better example illustrating my point: the American Left is far too eager to throw the country under the bus.
oo i wanna try.
This American Right is too preoccupied with an image and a perceived patriotism by others to bother with any realities or acknowledging real problems.
nobody cares about your feelings. nobody cares about my feelings(hell, including myself half the time.) you can sit here and talk about respect for a flag and how patriotic someone is or isn’t. i’ll instead put my eggs in a basket with a real problem.
how you can bother to attack someone based on perceived slights to an image is beyond me. who has the time or inclination?
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On October 05 2017 01:20 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2017 01:18 Plansix wrote:
The dude Xdaunt voted for won the election by running around the country saying it was garbage, but we hate America for doing the same thing. Apparently we aren’t patriots, but we could get Xdaunt’s vote. Good luck arguing that Trump and his supporters are unpatriotic. They very clearly side side with the country and the flag on just about every issue. The contrast is quite stark with y'all on the Left.
It'd be nice if it was the American flag, rather than the Confederate one, but hey, at least they're waving a flag.
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On October 05 2017 01:34 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2017 01:26 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:23 Mohdoo wrote:On October 05 2017 01:20 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:18 Plansix wrote:
The dude Xdaunt voted for won the election by running around the country saying it was garbage, but we hate America for doing the same thing. Apparently we aren’t patriots, but we could get Xdaunt’s vote. Good luck arguing that Trump and his supporters are unpatriotic. They very clearly side side with the country and the flag on just about every issue. The contrast is quite stark with y'all on the Left. Can you explain how exactly someone sides with a flag? how does someone oppose the flag? Surely you have noted where the battle lines are drawn on the NFL issue. I can't think of a better example illustrating my point: the American Left is far too eager to throw the country under the bus. I would argue that having there be symbols or ideas that are considered off limits is unamerican. We are a nation born from revolution. Kicking shit over, throwing a fuss and hitting people in the nuts to get attention is who we are. We make a fuss, we make a scene and we are a generally enthusiastic bunch. Doing stuff that offends people and creates enthused dialogue is American.
I don't think that there are any symbols or ideas that are "off limits." But when the express message behind a certain symbol is that America is "I'm not going to honor a racist country," we're well-into unpatriotic territory at that point and well-beyond the underlying idea of merely "we need to fix police abuse to improve society."
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He even has a top hat. This man is a blessing.
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On October 05 2017 01:42 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2017 01:26 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:23 Mohdoo wrote:On October 05 2017 01:20 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:18 Plansix wrote:
The dude Xdaunt voted for won the election by running around the country saying it was garbage, but we hate America for doing the same thing. Apparently we aren’t patriots, but we could get Xdaunt’s vote. Good luck arguing that Trump and his supporters are unpatriotic. They very clearly side side with the country and the flag on just about every issue. The contrast is quite stark with y'all on the Left. Can you explain how exactly someone sides with a flag? how does someone oppose the flag? Surely you have noted where the battle lines are drawn on the NFL issue. I can't think of a better example illustrating my point: the American Left is far too eager to throw the country under the bus. oo i wanna try. This American Right is too preoccupied with an image and a perceived patriotism by others to bother with any realities or acknowledging real problems. nobody cares about your feelings. nobody cares about my feelings(hell, including myself half the time.) you can sit here and talk about respect for a flag and how patriotic someone is or isn’t. i’ll instead put my eggs in a basket with a real problem. how you can bother to attack someone based on perceived slights to an image is beyond me. who has the time or inclination?
What are these so-called "real problems" that you have in mind?
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On October 05 2017 01:46 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2017 01:34 Mohdoo wrote:On October 05 2017 01:26 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:23 Mohdoo wrote:On October 05 2017 01:20 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:18 Plansix wrote:
The dude Xdaunt voted for won the election by running around the country saying it was garbage, but we hate America for doing the same thing. Apparently we aren’t patriots, but we could get Xdaunt’s vote. Good luck arguing that Trump and his supporters are unpatriotic. They very clearly side side with the country and the flag on just about every issue. The contrast is quite stark with y'all on the Left. Can you explain how exactly someone sides with a flag? how does someone oppose the flag? Surely you have noted where the battle lines are drawn on the NFL issue. I can't think of a better example illustrating my point: the American Left is far too eager to throw the country under the bus. I would argue that having there be symbols or ideas that are considered off limits is unamerican. We are a nation born from revolution. Kicking shit over, throwing a fuss and hitting people in the nuts to get attention is who we are. We make a fuss, we make a scene and we are a generally enthusiastic bunch. Doing stuff that offends people and creates enthused dialogue is American. I don't think that there are any symbols or ideas that are "off limits." But when the express message behind a certain symbol is that America is "I'm not going to honor a racist country," we're well-into unpatriotic territory at that point and well-beyond the underlying idea of merely "we need to fix police abuse to improve society."
I think the relevant question here is what you think people should do when trying to merely fix police abuse has been resisted for decades to the point of exasperation. Keep banging their heads on a brick wall or escalate the issue somehow?
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On October 05 2017 01:50 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2017 01:42 brian wrote:On October 05 2017 01:26 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:23 Mohdoo wrote:On October 05 2017 01:20 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:18 Plansix wrote:
The dude Xdaunt voted for won the election by running around the country saying it was garbage, but we hate America for doing the same thing. Apparently we aren’t patriots, but we could get Xdaunt’s vote. Good luck arguing that Trump and his supporters are unpatriotic. They very clearly side side with the country and the flag on just about every issue. The contrast is quite stark with y'all on the Left. Can you explain how exactly someone sides with a flag? how does someone oppose the flag? Surely you have noted where the battle lines are drawn on the NFL issue. I can't think of a better example illustrating my point: the American Left is far too eager to throw the country under the bus. oo i wanna try. This American Right is too preoccupied with an image and a perceived patriotism by others to bother with any realities or acknowledging real problems. nobody cares about your feelings. nobody cares about my feelings(hell, including myself half the time.) you can sit here and talk about respect for a flag and how patriotic someone is or isn’t. i’ll instead put my eggs in a basket with a real problem. how you can bother to attack someone based on perceived slights to an image is beyond me. who has the time or inclination? What are these so-called "real problems" that you have in mind?
You possibly should start reading more posts in this thread.
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I'm really struggling with how the side that spends large amounts of their time memorializing a failed uprising against this country is considered the one that likes the country more. I guess it comes down to the question of "are people flying the flag of America's enemies patriotic?" According to conservatives, yes.
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On October 05 2017 01:54 Artisreal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2017 01:50 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 05 2017 01:42 brian wrote:On October 05 2017 01:26 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:23 Mohdoo wrote:On October 05 2017 01:20 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:18 Plansix wrote:
The dude Xdaunt voted for won the election by running around the country saying it was garbage, but we hate America for doing the same thing. Apparently we aren’t patriots, but we could get Xdaunt’s vote. Good luck arguing that Trump and his supporters are unpatriotic. They very clearly side side with the country and the flag on just about every issue. The contrast is quite stark with y'all on the Left. Can you explain how exactly someone sides with a flag? how does someone oppose the flag? Surely you have noted where the battle lines are drawn on the NFL issue. I can't think of a better example illustrating my point: the American Left is far too eager to throw the country under the bus. oo i wanna try. This American Right is too preoccupied with an image and a perceived patriotism by others to bother with any realities or acknowledging real problems. nobody cares about your feelings. nobody cares about my feelings(hell, including myself half the time.) you can sit here and talk about respect for a flag and how patriotic someone is or isn’t. i’ll instead put my eggs in a basket with a real problem. how you can bother to attack someone based on perceived slights to an image is beyond me. who has the time or inclination? What are these so-called "real problems" that you have in mind? You possibly should start reading more posts in this thread.
Well there are lots of vague passive aggressive posts here that are designed to provoke rather than discuss.
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And these problems with police are not new things. The shooting and brutal treatment of unarmed black men has been a problem forever. The difference is everyone has a smart phone now and the police cannot destroy the record. And even with those videos, no police officer has been convicted of any crime.
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https://www.propublica.org/article/ivanka-donald-trump-jr-close-to-being-charged-felony-fraud
New York prosecutors were preparing a case. Then the D.A. overruled his staff after a visit from a top donor: Trump attorney Marc Kasowitz.
It's actually staggering how cheap it is to buy your way out of criminal charges.
A few hundred thousand for lawyers, and 5 figure sum to some politicians for reelection and boom, no prison.
Like father like son, or in this case daughter.
And the DA returned the money 4 years after the donation to top it off, after the donation came to light.
Edit::
Just before the 2012 meeting, Vance’s campaign had returned Kasowitz’s $25,000 contribution, in keeping with what Vance describes as standard practice when a donor has a case before his office. Kasowitz “had no influence and his contributions had no influence whatsoever on my decision-making in the case,” Vance said.
But less than six months after the D.A.’s office dropped the case, Kasowitz made an even larger donation to Vance’s campaign, and helped raise more from others — eventually, a total of more than $50,000. After being asked about these donations as part of the reporting for this article — more than four years after the fact — Vance said he now plans to give back Kasowitz’s second contribution, too.
Fun stuff when bribing officials gets you cleared of charges.
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On October 05 2017 01:51 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2017 01:46 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:34 Mohdoo wrote:On October 05 2017 01:26 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:23 Mohdoo wrote:On October 05 2017 01:20 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:18 Plansix wrote:
The dude Xdaunt voted for won the election by running around the country saying it was garbage, but we hate America for doing the same thing. Apparently we aren’t patriots, but we could get Xdaunt’s vote. Good luck arguing that Trump and his supporters are unpatriotic. They very clearly side side with the country and the flag on just about every issue. The contrast is quite stark with y'all on the Left. Can you explain how exactly someone sides with a flag? how does someone oppose the flag? Surely you have noted where the battle lines are drawn on the NFL issue. I can't think of a better example illustrating my point: the American Left is far too eager to throw the country under the bus. I would argue that having there be symbols or ideas that are considered off limits is unamerican. We are a nation born from revolution. Kicking shit over, throwing a fuss and hitting people in the nuts to get attention is who we are. We make a fuss, we make a scene and we are a generally enthusiastic bunch. Doing stuff that offends people and creates enthused dialogue is American. I don't think that there are any symbols or ideas that are "off limits." But when the express message behind a certain symbol is that America is "I'm not going to honor a racist country," we're well-into unpatriotic territory at that point and well-beyond the underlying idea of merely "we need to fix police abuse to improve society." I think the relevant question here is what you think people should do when trying to merely fix police abuse has been resisted for decades to the point of exasperation. Keep banging their heads on a brick wall or escalate the issue somehow?
I'm all for trying to new approaches at messaging and "escalation," but certain methods are clearly going to be counterproductive. Kaepernick's choice of protest is one of those that clearly was going to be counterproductive and has turned out to be counterproductive.
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On October 05 2017 01:56 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2017 01:54 Artisreal wrote:On October 05 2017 01:50 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 05 2017 01:42 brian wrote:On October 05 2017 01:26 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:23 Mohdoo wrote:On October 05 2017 01:20 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:18 Plansix wrote:
The dude Xdaunt voted for won the election by running around the country saying it was garbage, but we hate America for doing the same thing. Apparently we aren’t patriots, but we could get Xdaunt’s vote. Good luck arguing that Trump and his supporters are unpatriotic. They very clearly side side with the country and the flag on just about every issue. The contrast is quite stark with y'all on the Left. Can you explain how exactly someone sides with a flag? how does someone oppose the flag? Surely you have noted where the battle lines are drawn on the NFL issue. I can't think of a better example illustrating my point: the American Left is far too eager to throw the country under the bus. oo i wanna try. This American Right is too preoccupied with an image and a perceived patriotism by others to bother with any realities or acknowledging real problems. nobody cares about your feelings. nobody cares about my feelings(hell, including myself half the time.) you can sit here and talk about respect for a flag and how patriotic someone is or isn’t. i’ll instead put my eggs in a basket with a real problem. how you can bother to attack someone based on perceived slights to an image is beyond me. who has the time or inclination? What are these so-called "real problems" that you have in mind? You possibly should start reading more posts in this thread. Well there are lots of vague passive aggressive posts here that are designed to provoke rather than discuss.
It's almost like you took a peek in the mirror.
On October 05 2017 01:58 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2017 01:51 Jockmcplop wrote:On October 05 2017 01:46 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:34 Mohdoo wrote:On October 05 2017 01:26 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:23 Mohdoo wrote:On October 05 2017 01:20 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:18 Plansix wrote:
The dude Xdaunt voted for won the election by running around the country saying it was garbage, but we hate America for doing the same thing. Apparently we aren’t patriots, but we could get Xdaunt’s vote. Good luck arguing that Trump and his supporters are unpatriotic. They very clearly side side with the country and the flag on just about every issue. The contrast is quite stark with y'all on the Left. Can you explain how exactly someone sides with a flag? how does someone oppose the flag? Surely you have noted where the battle lines are drawn on the NFL issue. I can't think of a better example illustrating my point: the American Left is far too eager to throw the country under the bus. I would argue that having there be symbols or ideas that are considered off limits is unamerican. We are a nation born from revolution. Kicking shit over, throwing a fuss and hitting people in the nuts to get attention is who we are. We make a fuss, we make a scene and we are a generally enthusiastic bunch. Doing stuff that offends people and creates enthused dialogue is American. I don't think that there are any symbols or ideas that are "off limits." But when the express message behind a certain symbol is that America is "I'm not going to honor a racist country," we're well-into unpatriotic territory at that point and well-beyond the underlying idea of merely "we need to fix police abuse to improve society." I think the relevant question here is what you think people should do when trying to merely fix police abuse has been resisted for decades to the point of exasperation. Keep banging their heads on a brick wall or escalate the issue somehow? I'm all for trying to new approaches at messaging and "escalation," but certain methods are clearly going to be counterproductive. Kaepernick's choice of protest is one of those that clearly was going to be counterproductive and has turned out to be counterproductive.
How is the status quo not counterproductive to a peaceful society? Hint: is is a lot more counterproductive than blocking a highway once or twice.
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On October 05 2017 01:50 RealityIsKing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2017 01:42 brian wrote:On October 05 2017 01:26 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:23 Mohdoo wrote:On October 05 2017 01:20 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:18 Plansix wrote:
The dude Xdaunt voted for won the election by running around the country saying it was garbage, but we hate America for doing the same thing. Apparently we aren’t patriots, but we could get Xdaunt’s vote. Good luck arguing that Trump and his supporters are unpatriotic. They very clearly side side with the country and the flag on just about every issue. The contrast is quite stark with y'all on the Left. Can you explain how exactly someone sides with a flag? how does someone oppose the flag? Surely you have noted where the battle lines are drawn on the NFL issue. I can't think of a better example illustrating my point: the American Left is far too eager to throw the country under the bus. oo i wanna try. This American Right is too preoccupied with an image and a perceived patriotism by others to bother with any realities or acknowledging real problems. nobody cares about your feelings. nobody cares about my feelings(hell, including myself half the time.) you can sit here and talk about respect for a flag and how patriotic someone is or isn’t. i’ll instead put my eggs in a basket with a real problem. how you can bother to attack someone based on perceived slights to an image is beyond me. who has the time or inclination? What are these so-called "real problems" that you have in mind?
racism
tax reform
health care
privatized prisons
infrastructure
net neutrality
civil rights equality
discrimination against protected classes
corruption in politics
lobbyists
guns
idk, to name a few. on that list, how XDaunt feels about my expressions of patriotism will be towards the bottom.
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Well, there appears to be more than smoke. One thing is for sure, the Trump camp isn't in the clear.
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On October 05 2017 01:59 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2017 01:50 RealityIsKing wrote:On October 05 2017 01:42 brian wrote:On October 05 2017 01:26 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:23 Mohdoo wrote:On October 05 2017 01:20 xDaunt wrote:On October 05 2017 01:18 Plansix wrote:
The dude Xdaunt voted for won the election by running around the country saying it was garbage, but we hate America for doing the same thing. Apparently we aren’t patriots, but we could get Xdaunt’s vote. Good luck arguing that Trump and his supporters are unpatriotic. They very clearly side side with the country and the flag on just about every issue. The contrast is quite stark with y'all on the Left. Can you explain how exactly someone sides with a flag? how does someone oppose the flag? Surely you have noted where the battle lines are drawn on the NFL issue. I can't think of a better example illustrating my point: the American Left is far too eager to throw the country under the bus. oo i wanna try. This American Right is too preoccupied with an image and a perceived patriotism by others to bother with any realities or acknowledging real problems. nobody cares about your feelings. nobody cares about my feelings(hell, including myself half the time.) you can sit here and talk about respect for a flag and how patriotic someone is or isn’t. i’ll instead put my eggs in a basket with a real problem. how you can bother to attack someone based on perceived slights to an image is beyond me. who has the time or inclination? What are these so-called "real problems" that you have in mind? racism tax reform health care privatized prisons infrastructure net neutrality civil rights equality discrimination against protected classes corruption in politics lobbyists guns idk, to name a few. on that list, how XDaunt feels about my expressions of patriotism will be towards the bottom.
I like how you have racism on the top of the list.
I do believe that that there are racism in the country (against ALL colors should I add) but I wouldn't prioritize it over some of the other things.
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