EPTOn August 30 2017 05:03 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
And you probably won't until someone in his camps forces him to make the statement or issue one after he's already left.
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ZerOCoolSC2
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And you probably won't until someone in his camps forces him to make the statement or issue one after he's already left. | ||
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Yurie
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On August 30 2017 05:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Christ... She's going to run again... If she does and wins you get another person so old that they are likely to get age related problems. Might work out fine but it isn't exactly a job where you do 3 days a week while moving towards retirement. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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On August 30 2017 05:07 Yurie wrote: If she does and wins you get another person so old that they are likely to get age related problems. Might work out fine but it isn't exactly a job where you do 3 days a week while moving towards retirement. Trump is showing you that your last sentence isn't actually true. He's doing it right now (for the most part). | ||
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m4ini
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On August 30 2017 05:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Christ... She's going to run again... https://twitter.com/CNN/status/902365744561782791 Are democrats that dumb? I doubt it. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On August 30 2017 04:22 Plansix wrote: I’ve said this before: but I am convinced a man could burn a cross on Obama’s lawn and you would still question if that man was racist. Your refusal to engage with the word makes further discussion of this topic pointless. Then stop these political gotcha questions like you voted for Hillary or that racist. I've heard enough of your style binaries, like there's what you believe about immigration policy, and then there's the racist policy. Ironic because it was directly addressed by the article that I linked. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 30 2017 05:03 m4ini wrote: You really can't offend me, feel free to go full out. Your disagreement is fine, if you think it's racist, go with it. But i'm telling you, this "definition" what already accounts for racism will make it impossible to solve actual racism. Maybe jokes aren't harmless, for people who get hit with them. I do think that it's helpful to see comedy as comedy though, because again: you have such big problems in the US with actual, blatant racism, that going after jokes where there are simply no clear lines and also are clearly subjective is idiotic. You'll tread water until you drown, meanwhile actual racism still continues. To be clear: as long as comedians do the same, you will not "solve", lets call it "loaded comedy". And they won't stop, because they know that it's not racist. Satire isn't racist either, we gonna get rid of that too? Hysterical screeching every time something could be perceived as racist while your president just pardoned one of the biggest ones in the wake of constant neo nazi marches makes me simply not take you serious. That's what i mean by "guys like you are the problem". It doesn't help the cause of fighting racism, the same way radical/militant feminism really doesn't help females. I was never talking about professional comedy. There is so much buy into that. People know what they are getting into and so does the comedian. I still like the Chapell show. | ||
KwarK
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m4ini
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On August 30 2017 05:09 KwarK wrote: I think Danglars genuinely believes that we think Trump is a racist because he's a white man and to us all white men are racists. Nah, the occasional racist joke makes the racist. Btw, i don't think Danglars believes that, i actually think he knows full well that Trump is a racist because of other reasons. I still like the Chapell show. Funny thing, never watched it because i have trouble understanding what he's saying. Kevin Hart, and Ben Clover are the most watched black comedians for me. | ||
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semantics
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On August 30 2017 04:19 m4ini wrote: Never cracked a joke about stereotypes? Or disabled people? edit: or gender? I think, and don't get this wrong, that people like you are as big a part of the problem as racism itself. You're not helping by screamishly pointing at anyone who's cracking a race/nationality joke. It is racism either way...Just because jokes can often be taken in good light doesn't make it less racist. Both joke teller and audience can make a joke more or less a racist act. Jokes are about expectations, you subvert an exception or you play into it, either way you're doing it at the expense of that thing. Meaning a joke can be funny multiple ways, an absurd or a straight take on it. So a joke based on race depending on the joke teller and audience, it can be racist and shit or just that mild racism we all kinda are fine with depending on the people because it's understood it's in poor taste/is bad | ||
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Yurie
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On August 30 2017 05:08 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Trump is showing you that your last sentence isn't actually true. He's doing it right now (for the most part). Right you are. If that is the tradition you want to foster, go right ahead. Hillary will only be something like 72 at the start of her first term. So at the end of it she won't be the eldest President ever, that would still be Ronald Reagan. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5159 Posts
Who decides who is racist? Who has the fucking authority on that? Sure, blatant racism is easy to spot. But what is the threshold that needs to be crossed for someone to be labeled as racist or who has at the very least racist tendencies? It all depends on who you are as a person and how much cynicism/rudeness/... you can stomach. Some people, like myself from time to time, like it when it gets really lowbrow because this devolves into absolute absurdity. Nothing is holy when this happens. I'm not saying this is for everyone and I'm not saying people need to "better themselves" or whatever the fuck that means. You don't get to be the arbiter on how you become virtuous as a person. No one does. Not everyone finds comfort in being like that. There are people that love to fight, there are people that love to get raunchy and there are people that love to throw everything under the bus verbally. I find it grossly demeaning that this distinction can't be made just because some people find that distasteful and can't understand why someone would do this. I don't understand why hooligans (who are sometimes very intelligent people), do what they do, but I'm not going to tell them to fucking better themselves. It becomes very difficult to find actual racism and I know it's possible that many hide themselves among people with less extreme views, but you'll never be able to actually label someone like that until the racist shows his true colors. It's appalling that people should stop their practices that don't jive with you just because it might perpetuate some other people's notions another group of people. If I see/hear/notice something that I find out of line, whether that's discriminatory in general or not, I'll call them out for it. | ||
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KwarK
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{CC}StealthBlue
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On August 30 2017 05:11 Yurie wrote: Right you are. If that is the tradition you want to foster, go right ahead. Hillary will only be something like 72 at the start of her first term. So at the end of it she won't be the eldest President ever, that would still be Ronald Reagan. Who by his second term his Alzheimer's was basically a state secret ordered by his wife. | ||
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LegalLord
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They very well might be. They managed to get Trump elected, after all. | ||
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zlefin
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On August 30 2017 05:14 LegalLord wrote: They very well might be. They managed to get Trump elected, after all. that would be the republicans who got him elected; not the democrats. | ||
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m4ini
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It almost feels undignified to run again now. She barely beat him the last time around, now she's trying again because it's kinda clear that whoever the democrats put up will win. that would be the republicans who got him elected; not the democrats. Nah. Democrats with constant mismanagement on all fronts have their fair share (including constant fuckery with people). Of course republicans tried to get their candidate to win. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
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On August 30 2017 05:17 zlefin wrote: that would be the republicans who got him elected; not the democrats. You're both right. Democrats failed to field a candidate that would win. Republicans were probably just as surprised by this win. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On August 30 2017 03:53 m4ini wrote: I see what people mean by "deflecting". It's hardly arguable that Trump is a racist by any standard regardless of how you wanna spin it. He's not a "basically a racist because he's a white man", he's basically a racist because he is fucking racist. And, to make that a little more clear, just pardoned one of the biggest and influential racists of your country. I don't understand why you feel the urge to deflect to something really idiotic and then complain why people fuck you over for it. What in the campaign leads you to that conclusion? | ||
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Gorsameth
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On August 30 2017 05:09 Danglars wrote: Then stop these political gotcha questions like you voted for Hillary or that racist. I've heard enough of your style binaries, like there's what you believe about immigration policy, and then there's the racist policy. Ironic because it was directly addressed by the article that I linked. If you could please answer me this. At what point does a voter become responsible for the racist policies enacted by the politician he voted for? | ||
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