US Politics Mega-thread - Page 8589

On August 30 2017 04:15 Danglars wrote:

Fascist showed up in Orwell's essay on Politics and the English Language. He said it now existed as simply "something not desirable." When you posit the racist choice for president, or really which racist you wanted for president, I say the word similarly exists as something like "a person I disagree with personally or politically."

On August 30 2017 04:19 m4ini wrote:


Never cracked a joke about stereotypes? Or disabled people? edit: or gender?

I think, and don't get this wrong, that people like you are as big a part of the problem as racism itself. You're not helping by screamishly pointing at anyone who's cracking a race/nationality joke.

On August 30 2017 04:22 m4ini wrote:
Is that what P6 linked a day or two back, or something new to be pissed off about?

On August 30 2017 04:24 brian wrote:

do you, honestly? because that would be alarming. there are innumerable casual racists in the country and here you are trying to silence someone acknowledging it.

On August 30 2017 04:19 Gahlo wrote:

It depends on context. My dad is old and doesn't quite seem to get non-KKK/Nazi level racism. Sometimes he'll say black guy or blonde chick, sometimes he'll say some absolutely stupid stuff like "He was well spoken for a black guy." Which raises some alarms. I had to sit him down after Charlottesville and explain to him why people want the statues taken down and moved.

On August 30 2017 04:26 m4ini wrote:


If it's alarming to you that someone cracks a joke based on gender, nationality, religion etc, you're an idiot.

I certainly am not a sexist, racist, antifa, antichrist because i occasionally make a funny about it. There lies the problem with racism in the US: people, again, like you. There's so many actual huge problems with institutionalised racism in the US, if jokes are your problem, well tough shit.

Btw, even black comedians do that, live on TV, about white men and black men. Because it's funny. Jesus.

You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968, you can't say "nigger" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger."

-Lee Atwater

On August 30 2017 04:29 brian wrote:


that's all well and good and of course there's a fine line between comedy and racism. you quoted P6's accurate portrayal of how racists sometimes use comedy as a way to identify whether their company is as casually racist as themselves and your response is to shut him down, silence him, and call me an idiot for double checking your intent.

so like i was saying, the line exists and that is well and good but you're shutting down people talking about casual racism is definitely a problem. whether falsely identifying the line between comedy and racism is a problem i'm happy to discuss, but i know for sure what you're doing is a problem.

Oh, and you aren't Mel Brooks or Louis CK or anyone who can masterfully craft a joke that can take a racial joke and make it stab the racist 1000 times harder so just keep that in mind. There's a reason they can do shit you can't, they are gods among men in a very specific art form.

On August 30 2017 04:19 m4ini wrote:


Never cracked a joke about stereotypes? Or disabled people? edit: or gender?

I think, and don't get this wrong, that people like you are as big a part of the problem as racism itself. You're not helping by screamishly pointing at anyone who's cracking a race/nationality joke.

On August 30 2017 04:34 Plansix wrote:

Of course I do, in good company that I know well. But I am also very aware that racist and sexist humor is used by racist and sexist people to test the waters. So I do not profess that the jokes are harmless, because that is simply not true.

On August 30 2017 04:33 m4ini wrote:


No, i didn't. I said if it's alarming to you if someone cracks a joke, then you're an idiot. Not to mention i didn't try to silence P6, wat? To assume immediately that someone is potentially racist by cracking a joke is idiotic. There has to be a little more intent than a funny, it's that easy. It's like saying that you get alarmed if you see someone wearing white polos and khaki shorts.

Oh and it's not just me, mate. It's literally every single comedian out there. So fighting that, good luck. Tip: not gonna happen.

On August 30 2017 04:37 brian wrote:

are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?

hiding behind if-then's is childish. own your words. not to mention you explicitly called me out later with 'again, people like you.' you also said P6 is part of the problem. that's what us people call shutting down and silencing.

if you don't want to discuss casual racism fine. if you want to draw the line between comedy and racism so we can know definitively the difference- kudos. i certainly won't. so in that regard yes, we'll have to wonder if a joke is just a joke or not. but in trying to silence those who will discuss casual racism, i don't need to wonder whether or not you're a problem. you are.

On August 30 2017 04:36 m4ini wrote:


Actually, yes, the jokes are still harmless the same way a knife by itself is harmless. It's the way they're used in this case that differ. Maybe it's because i've never seen this approach to test the waters as you put it, usually it's clear from the first five minutes after meeting someone if there's racist tendencies. Not necessarily jokes. I'm german, we don't do jokes with people we just met.

On August 30 2017 03:58 m4ini wrote:
I'm starting to wonder if he actually has some form of disconnect with reality. As in, a proper medical condition.

On August 30 2017 04:31 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Everyone is a tiny bit racist in some regard. One of the main things conservatives don't seem to be able to understand is racism is on a spectrum. They seem to think it's binary. You're either a Grand Wizard in the KKK and thus racist, or you're not a Grand Wizard and as such aren't a racist. Apparently dog whistles don't count. IMO it makes it easier to separate being a racist from racist acts for the purposes of demonstration.

Telling a racist joke, spreading racial stereotype, even using the word nigger are racist acts. Those actions don't NECESSARILY make you a racist...but. If you do that kind of stuff on the regular you might just be a racist. It might be time for some self reflection if you don't consider yourself a racist person but you're committing little "white" racist acts on a pretty regular basis. Surely there's a disconnect there somewhere and if you indeed aren't a racist you should work on bettering yourself. Getting to the root cause of why you're doing those acts and try to improve. That's literally the ONLY adult option.

A racist person certainly could be a Grand Wizard, but there's many shades of racist. Your grandparent if we're being real is more than likely a racist. Dear sweet granny who is so kind to you and always made you a snack and slipped you a $5 bill. It's not always ugly and that's part of the problem. Racists don't always come with undisputed proof and a huge neon sign that says "RACIST SHITBAG" like Donald Trump.

Also a black cop can be racist against blacks. I know this might be shocking stuff since Republicans love to point to useless human beings like Sheriff Clarke as some sort of proof that policing couldn't possibly be racist. Look, we got this complete hack black Sheriff dude, no racism here! But many police will tell you sometimes black officers are the most ruthless and racist against their own people. This right wing nonsense keeps going around though. Milo is gay so.....Clarke is black so.....I'm married to a woman so I can't be sexist so.......Complete and total bullshit and the sooner people get that through their heads the sooner they might start seeing fuckery afoot.

Racism now days is a lot more subtle than it has been in the past. That doesn't mean its gone anywhere.



Oh, and you aren't Mel Brooks or Louis CK or anyone who can masterfully craft a joke that can take a racial joke and make it stab the racist 1000 times harder so just keep that in mind. There's a reason they can do shit you can't, they are gods among men in a very specific art form.

On August 30 2017 04:45 Doodsmack wrote:
Trump is racist, but you don't have to be racist to vote for him.

On August 30 2017 04:45 Doodsmack wrote:
Trump is racist, but you don't have to be racist to vote for him.