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m4ini
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It's hardly arguable that Trump is a racist by any standard regardless of how you wanna spin it. He's not a "basically a racist because he's a white man", he's basically a racist because he is fucking racist. And, to make that a little more clear, just pardoned one of the biggest and influential racists of your country. I don't understand why you feel the urge to deflect to something really idiotic and then complain why people fuck you over for it. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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m4ini
4215 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On August 30 2017 03:56 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/christinawilkie/status/902591642976256000 He sees this hurricane as just another sporting event, something to gather crowds and drum up ratings. A major natural disaster that has uprooted the lives of millions of people, and he can't be arsed to take it even remotely seriously. All he gives a damn about are his stupid crowd sizes. Totally not compensating here. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 30 2017 03:53 m4ini wrote: I see what people mean by "deflecting". It's hardly arguable that Trump is a racist by any standard regardless of how you wanna spin it. He's not a "basically a racist because he's a white man", he's basically a racist because he is fucking racist. And, to make that a little more clear, just pardoned one of the biggest and influential racists of your country. I don't understand why you feel the urge to deflect to something really idiotic and then complain why people fuck you over for it. If you constantly challenge the definition of racism and what makes someone racist, then no one every talks about racism itself. On August 30 2017 03:56 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: https://twitter.com/christinawilkie/status/902591642976256000 I just listened to that on NPR and the entire thing is surreal. | ||
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IgnE
United States7684 Posts
On August 30 2017 03:49 Danglars wrote: Incompetence instead of competence in destruction. And I voted for a white man for president; so basically he was a racist by the metric of some here. I'm hardly joking, it's a pejorative and understood as one, but by definition it really had joined fascist for actual meaning. do you think "black man" or "white woman" or "asian woman" are pejorative or merely descriptive? | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
If you constantly challenge the definition of racism and what makes someone racist, then no one every talks about racism itself. I actually couldn't define racism to a sufficient point. I know a racist if i see one for the most part, but i don't have a definition for what accounts as racism. I'm pretty sure that i'm racist every now and then by some definitions, and i crack the occasional racist (or Nazi-) joke, mostly based on stereotypes. Not based on skincolour though, but nationality. Which is different than condoning institutionalised discrimination against latinos/blacks by a sheriff though. | ||
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Wulfey_LA
932 Posts
On August 30 2017 04:04 m4ini wrote: I actually couldn't define racism to a sufficient point. I know a racist if i see one for the most part, but i don't have a definition for what accounts as racism. I'm pretty sure that i'm racist every now and then by some definitions, and i crack the occasional racist (or Nazi-) joke, mostly based on stereotypes. Not based on skincolour though, but nationality. Which is different than condoning institutionalised discrimination against latinos/blacks by a sheriff though. Here. Is this racist? Here are some of Apraio's initially deleted emails that turned up at his trial. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 30 2017 04:04 m4ini wrote: I actually couldn't define racism to a sufficient point. I know a racist if i see one for the most part, but i don't have a definition for what accounts as racism. I'm pretty sure that i'm racist every now and then by some definitions, and i crack the occasional racist (or Nazi-) joke. Which is different than condoning institutionalised discrimination against latinos/blacks by a sheriff though. It is a broad and complex topic that is always evolving. The more systems we make to combat racism, the more the racists push against those systems. Overt racism is replaced by systems specific designed to target blacks and other minorities. The collection of voter data and complex voter models has made it even easier. MLK said over and over that the moderate white America was the greatest enemy to equality. And it proves true over and over in this thread. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On August 30 2017 04:08 Wulfey_LA wrote: Here. Is this racist? Here are some of Apraio's initially deleted emails that turned up at his trial. https://twitter.com/AClaudeCase/status/902582629840470016 Those are memes. Jokes. Not jokes make you a racist, but in especially in case of Apraio, actions. But to satisfy your question: no, i actually don't think these are inherently racist. In the context of Apraio, of course. Because we know that he's a racist. Here. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/attachments/politics-religion-and-controversy/47792754d1399431989-have-american-women-ruined-our-great-country-meanwhile-in-america-e1294654276915.jpg) Is that racist? That's what i'm trying to say. The context to me is rather important. It is a broad and complex topic that is always evolving. The more systems we make to combat racism, the more the racists push against those systems. I actually think this is partially the reason for itself. Racism is really not evolving, but people start to think "special snowflake" if constantly things get re-defined, that's when they start pushing against it. I do think Obama should've cracked down on it way harder, this is a topic that needs to be sorted "once and for all", rather than "here a little, there a little". | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On August 30 2017 03:51 Plansix wrote: “definition it really had joined fascist” Can you rephrase that please? I’m have a hard time parsing what you are trying to say. Fascist showed up in Orwell's essay on Politics and the English Language. He said it now existed as simply "something not desirable." When you posit the racist choice for president, or really which racist you wanted for president, I say the word similarly exists as something like "a person I disagree with personally or politically." | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On August 30 2017 03:51 Gorsameth wrote: Hillary the warmonger, while Trump is trying to get the US into a war with NK and Iran and putting more bodies into Afghanistan. Hillary the corrupt, while Trump reward every position around him to incompetent people who payed him. While he resides for his own property while the government pays for it. Emails. Which are completely devoid of anything. Meanwhile the Meuller investigation keeps turning up shit after shit. I don't know. Somehow the cries of "But Hillary" keep sounding weaker and weaker. Somehow, "the grass is greener on the other side," is never quite apparent to the person staring that way. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On August 30 2017 04:04 IgnE wrote: do you think "black man" or "white woman" or "asian woman" are pejorative or merely descriptive? It depends on context. My dad is old and doesn't quite seem to get non-KKK/Nazi level racism. Sometimes he'll say black guy or blonde chick, sometimes he'll say some absolutely stupid stuff like "He was well spoken for a black guy." Which raises some alarms. I had to sit him down after Charlottesville and explain to him why people want the statues taken down and moved. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On August 30 2017 04:15 Plansix wrote: I’ve known way to may racists who use racist jokes as the test to find out if they are in favorable company. Never cracked a joke about stereotypes? Or disabled people? edit: or gender? I think, and don't get this wrong, that people like you are as big a part of the problem as racism itself. You're not helping by screamishly pointing at anyone who's cracking a race/nationality joke. | ||
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Wulfey_LA
932 Posts
On August 30 2017 04:15 Plansix wrote: I’ve known way to may racists who use racist jokes as the test to find out if they are in favorable company. Yes. Signalling. If they share back then you know you are among one of your own. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
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m4ini
4215 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 30 2017 04:15 Danglars wrote: Fascist showed up in Orwell's essay on Politics and the English Language. He said it now existed as simply "something not desirable." When you posit the racist choice for president, or really which racist you wanted for president, I say the word similarly exists as something like "a person I disagree with personally or politically." I’ve said this before: but I am convinced a man could burn a cross on Obama’s lawn and you would still question if that man was racist. Your refusal to engage with the word makes further discussion of this topic pointless. | ||
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