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Ehm greenpeace by statue is peaceful. Something you cannot say about the new fascists (alt-right)
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On August 13 2017 07:38 Artisreal wrote:
Ehm greenpeace by statue is peaceful. Something you cannot say about the new fascists (alt-right)
Greenpeace is a lot, but certainly not peaceful.
Arguing that somehow people in hoods, tiki torches, camo with assault/long rifles etc are somehow the "good guys" or "less crazy than the counter protesters" is idiotic. I feel like the "less crazy" part was thoroughly debunked by a challenger mowing through the counterprotesters.
edit: as an unrelated incident, one of the police helicopters observing the rally crashed.
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r/t_d is running with it being a false flag by the anti-Trump folks
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On August 13 2017 07:32 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 07:18 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 06:59 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 05:10 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 02:26 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 01:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 01:05 zlefin wrote:
I don't see what there is to talk about there. what's there to say/discuss/assess?
not that the google dude needs talking about either, as it's already been solved and analyzed. Nothing to discuss? Not even getting into the race issue, this is the largest rally of white supremacist in 30 years, for Virginia. This is on a campus with 17-23 year old students standing against them. This was a precursor to today's planned rally, where 2k-6k racist members could show up today. To protest the removal of a statue. The police haven't moved and inch. The mayor hasn't said a word. But you're right. Moving on. Let's get back to google dude. “This isn’t how he should have to grow up,” she said.
Cliff Erickson leaned against a fence and took in the scene. He said he thinks removing the statue amounts to erasing history and said the “counterprotesters are crazier than the alt-right.”
“Both sides are hoping for a confrontation,” he said. From the AP story You're making this a race issue, and you're ignoring other sides that wouldn't want the statue removed. You live there or something? Seriously. It's like your straining to make stories fit your narrative and hope nobody sees you shoehorning one into the other. How am I making this a race issue? It's clearly known that white supremacist are the ones marching to keep the statue. If a moderate wants the statue to stay, or even a black person for whatever reason, they'll protest peacefully and without trying to entice others to start something against them. Don't try to turn this into something I'm not even remotely talking about. BLM is the same thing. If they go protesting and enticing violence, then I would condemn them as well. There are peaceful ways to go about, alternative solutions to endeavor to find. MARCHING AROUND WITH TORCHES IN WHITE FUCKING HOODS, PROUDLY PROCLAIMING WHITE SUPREMACY IS NOT THE WAY TO GO ABOUT IT. Don't be stupid Danglars. I know you're smarter than that. There were like 200 in hoods and tiki torches. Try harder next time if you want to conflate everything. And if you want to just call people you don't like racists before launching into your manifestos on how protests should be run, talk to someone that's debating alternate solutions. I can't find the source where I read the number. But note the word could. I never said there were that many people. But continue to use the numbers I threw out there to disqualify any discussion on a topic you don't feel comfortable having at this time, Furthermore, continue to put words in my mouth that I never said, while trying to justify the behavior being shown last night and today as acceptable. Also, while you're at it, please link this to google dude and his manifesto of biological difference in the way men and women operate in relation to STEM fields. If you wish to continue, feel free to PM me and we can talk there. Now, if you will. Everything about today just rings hollow to anyone saying that Hillary would have been worse than trump. He's essentially said it was okay to be a bigot, misogynist, and stupid to this country. The people who believe in him and his words have come out. Granted, this has always been under the surface in this country, which I've experienced firsthand. But to have people cheering and goading individuals to exact bodily harm on someone because they do not agree with you viewpoint is disgusting. I guess it would matter if you find your source in the future. As it stands, my quoted AP source had street interviews showing gaspan example of somebody that thought (1) it was erasing history (2) counterprotesters are crazier than the alt-right and (3) Both sides are hoping for a confrontation. Which didn't merit a comment from your thousands of racists narrative. I might as well claim the overwhelming majority were actually concerned pacifists from Greenpeace for the standards we're at. EDIT: Actually one bit on the second part that I've discussed in other posts but not the one you quoted. She's essentially said it's okay to pay to play if you're a donor to her family foundation, and it's okay to break the law if you didn't intend to use the lawbreaking to help foreign powers. If you want to say she'd have less chaos along with bad foreign policy, I'd agree with you.
Do note I posted this story over 4 hours ago. Stories get updated. And I linked from NPR early in the day. Try again to find sources that only agree with what you want.
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On August 13 2017 07:44 KwarK wrote:
r/t_d is running with it being a false flag by the anti-Trump folks
Obviously.
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On August 13 2017 07:44 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 07:32 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 07:18 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 06:59 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 05:10 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 02:26 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 01:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 01:05 zlefin wrote:
I don't see what there is to talk about there. what's there to say/discuss/assess?
not that the google dude needs talking about either, as it's already been solved and analyzed. Nothing to discuss? Not even getting into the race issue, this is the largest rally of white supremacist in 30 years, for Virginia. This is on a campus with 17-23 year old students standing against them. This was a precursor to today's planned rally, where 2k-6k racist members could show up today. To protest the removal of a statue. The police haven't moved and inch. The mayor hasn't said a word. But you're right. Moving on. Let's get back to google dude. “This isn’t how he should have to grow up,” she said.
Cliff Erickson leaned against a fence and took in the scene. He said he thinks removing the statue amounts to erasing history and said the “counterprotesters are crazier than the alt-right.”
“Both sides are hoping for a confrontation,” he said. From the AP story You're making this a race issue, and you're ignoring other sides that wouldn't want the statue removed. You live there or something? Seriously. It's like your straining to make stories fit your narrative and hope nobody sees you shoehorning one into the other. How am I making this a race issue? It's clearly known that white supremacist are the ones marching to keep the statue. If a moderate wants the statue to stay, or even a black person for whatever reason, they'll protest peacefully and without trying to entice others to start something against them. Don't try to turn this into something I'm not even remotely talking about. BLM is the same thing. If they go protesting and enticing violence, then I would condemn them as well. There are peaceful ways to go about, alternative solutions to endeavor to find. MARCHING AROUND WITH TORCHES IN WHITE FUCKING HOODS, PROUDLY PROCLAIMING WHITE SUPREMACY IS NOT THE WAY TO GO ABOUT IT. Don't be stupid Danglars. I know you're smarter than that. There were like 200 in hoods and tiki torches. Try harder next time if you want to conflate everything. And if you want to just call people you don't like racists before launching into your manifestos on how protests should be run, talk to someone that's debating alternate solutions. I can't find the source where I read the number. But note the word could. I never said there were that many people. But continue to use the numbers I threw out there to disqualify any discussion on a topic you don't feel comfortable having at this time, Furthermore, continue to put words in my mouth that I never said, while trying to justify the behavior being shown last night and today as acceptable. Also, while you're at it, please link this to google dude and his manifesto of biological difference in the way men and women operate in relation to STEM fields. If you wish to continue, feel free to PM me and we can talk there. Now, if you will. Everything about today just rings hollow to anyone saying that Hillary would have been worse than trump. He's essentially said it was okay to be a bigot, misogynist, and stupid to this country. The people who believe in him and his words have come out. Granted, this has always been under the surface in this country, which I've experienced firsthand. But to have people cheering and goading individuals to exact bodily harm on someone because they do not agree with you viewpoint is disgusting. I guess it would matter if you find your source in the future. As it stands, my quoted AP source had street interviews showing gaspan example of somebody that thought (1) it was erasing history (2) counterprotesters are crazier than the alt-right and (3) Both sides are hoping for a confrontation. Which didn't merit a comment from your thousands of racists narrative. I might as well claim the overwhelming majority were actually concerned pacifists from Greenpeace for the standards we're at. EDIT: Actually one bit on the second part that I've discussed in other posts but not the one you quoted. She's essentially said it's okay to pay to play if you're a donor to her family foundation, and it's okay to break the law if you didn't intend to use the lawbreaking to help foreign powers. If you want to say she'd have less chaos along with bad foreign policy, I'd agree with you. Do note I posted this story over 4 hours ago. Stories get updated. And I linked from NPR early in the day. Try again to find sources that only agree with what you want.
Do note that I responded to a post without a story. Try again to find sources, period.
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Suspect is in custody, thank God.
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On August 13 2017 07:45 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 07:44 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 07:32 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 07:18 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 06:59 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 05:10 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 02:26 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 01:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 01:05 zlefin wrote:
I don't see what there is to talk about there. what's there to say/discuss/assess?
not that the google dude needs talking about either, as it's already been solved and analyzed. Nothing to discuss? Not even getting into the race issue, this is the largest rally of white supremacist in 30 years, for Virginia. This is on a campus with 17-23 year old students standing against them. This was a precursor to today's planned rally, where 2k-6k racist members could show up today. To protest the removal of a statue. The police haven't moved and inch. The mayor hasn't said a word. But you're right. Moving on. Let's get back to google dude. “This isn’t how he should have to grow up,” she said.
Cliff Erickson leaned against a fence and took in the scene. He said he thinks removing the statue amounts to erasing history and said the “counterprotesters are crazier than the alt-right.”
“Both sides are hoping for a confrontation,” he said. From the AP story You're making this a race issue, and you're ignoring other sides that wouldn't want the statue removed. You live there or something? Seriously. It's like your straining to make stories fit your narrative and hope nobody sees you shoehorning one into the other. How am I making this a race issue? It's clearly known that white supremacist are the ones marching to keep the statue. If a moderate wants the statue to stay, or even a black person for whatever reason, they'll protest peacefully and without trying to entice others to start something against them. Don't try to turn this into something I'm not even remotely talking about. BLM is the same thing. If they go protesting and enticing violence, then I would condemn them as well. There are peaceful ways to go about, alternative solutions to endeavor to find. MARCHING AROUND WITH TORCHES IN WHITE FUCKING HOODS, PROUDLY PROCLAIMING WHITE SUPREMACY IS NOT THE WAY TO GO ABOUT IT. Don't be stupid Danglars. I know you're smarter than that. There were like 200 in hoods and tiki torches. Try harder next time if you want to conflate everything. And if you want to just call people you don't like racists before launching into your manifestos on how protests should be run, talk to someone that's debating alternate solutions. I can't find the source where I read the number. But note the word could. I never said there were that many people. But continue to use the numbers I threw out there to disqualify any discussion on a topic you don't feel comfortable having at this time, Furthermore, continue to put words in my mouth that I never said, while trying to justify the behavior being shown last night and today as acceptable. Also, while you're at it, please link this to google dude and his manifesto of biological difference in the way men and women operate in relation to STEM fields. If you wish to continue, feel free to PM me and we can talk there. Now, if you will. Everything about today just rings hollow to anyone saying that Hillary would have been worse than trump. He's essentially said it was okay to be a bigot, misogynist, and stupid to this country. The people who believe in him and his words have come out. Granted, this has always been under the surface in this country, which I've experienced firsthand. But to have people cheering and goading individuals to exact bodily harm on someone because they do not agree with you viewpoint is disgusting. I guess it would matter if you find your source in the future. As it stands, my quoted AP source had street interviews showing gaspan example of somebody that thought (1) it was erasing history (2) counterprotesters are crazier than the alt-right and (3) Both sides are hoping for a confrontation. Which didn't merit a comment from your thousands of racists narrative. I might as well claim the overwhelming majority were actually concerned pacifists from Greenpeace for the standards we're at. EDIT: Actually one bit on the second part that I've discussed in other posts but not the one you quoted. She's essentially said it's okay to pay to play if you're a donor to her family foundation, and it's okay to break the law if you didn't intend to use the lawbreaking to help foreign powers. If you want to say she'd have less chaos along with bad foreign policy, I'd agree with you. Do note I posted this story over 4 hours ago. Stories get updated. And I linked from NPR early in the day. Try again to find sources that only agree with what you want. Do note that I responded to a post without a story. Try again to find sources, period.
Do note that this was in response to a post that had a source in it. Are...are you fucking with me? Serious question.
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United States43460 Posts
I'm sure the police will be eager to rough the suspect up a little, as Trump requested they do a few weeks ago.
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"Attack was premediated."
Oh okay, what does that mean?
edit: nevermind, he was talking about the general violence
Makes the charges for homicide not less retarded though
edit2: wait what? "Three vehicle crash"? Did something else happen or is he in fact talking about the car that deliberately mowed through the crowd and hit two stationary ones?
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On August 13 2017 07:46 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 07:45 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 07:44 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 07:32 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 07:18 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 06:59 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 05:10 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 02:26 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 01:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 01:05 zlefin wrote:
I don't see what there is to talk about there. what's there to say/discuss/assess?
not that the google dude needs talking about either, as it's already been solved and analyzed. Nothing to discuss? Not even getting into the race issue, this is the largest rally of white supremacist in 30 years, for Virginia. This is on a campus with 17-23 year old students standing against them. This was a precursor to today's planned rally, where 2k-6k racist members could show up today. To protest the removal of a statue. The police haven't moved and inch. The mayor hasn't said a word. But you're right. Moving on. Let's get back to google dude. “This isn’t how he should have to grow up,” she said.
Cliff Erickson leaned against a fence and took in the scene. He said he thinks removing the statue amounts to erasing history and said the “counterprotesters are crazier than the alt-right.”
“Both sides are hoping for a confrontation,” he said. From the AP story You're making this a race issue, and you're ignoring other sides that wouldn't want the statue removed. You live there or something? Seriously. It's like your straining to make stories fit your narrative and hope nobody sees you shoehorning one into the other. How am I making this a race issue? It's clearly known that white supremacist are the ones marching to keep the statue. If a moderate wants the statue to stay, or even a black person for whatever reason, they'll protest peacefully and without trying to entice others to start something against them. Don't try to turn this into something I'm not even remotely talking about. BLM is the same thing. If they go protesting and enticing violence, then I would condemn them as well. There are peaceful ways to go about, alternative solutions to endeavor to find. MARCHING AROUND WITH TORCHES IN WHITE FUCKING HOODS, PROUDLY PROCLAIMING WHITE SUPREMACY IS NOT THE WAY TO GO ABOUT IT. Don't be stupid Danglars. I know you're smarter than that. There were like 200 in hoods and tiki torches. Try harder next time if you want to conflate everything. And if you want to just call people you don't like racists before launching into your manifestos on how protests should be run, talk to someone that's debating alternate solutions. I can't find the source where I read the number. But note the word could. I never said there were that many people. But continue to use the numbers I threw out there to disqualify any discussion on a topic you don't feel comfortable having at this time, Furthermore, continue to put words in my mouth that I never said, while trying to justify the behavior being shown last night and today as acceptable. Also, while you're at it, please link this to google dude and his manifesto of biological difference in the way men and women operate in relation to STEM fields. If you wish to continue, feel free to PM me and we can talk there. Now, if you will. Everything about today just rings hollow to anyone saying that Hillary would have been worse than trump. He's essentially said it was okay to be a bigot, misogynist, and stupid to this country. The people who believe in him and his words have come out. Granted, this has always been under the surface in this country, which I've experienced firsthand. But to have people cheering and goading individuals to exact bodily harm on someone because they do not agree with you viewpoint is disgusting. I guess it would matter if you find your source in the future. As it stands, my quoted AP source had street interviews showing gaspan example of somebody that thought (1) it was erasing history (2) counterprotesters are crazier than the alt-right and (3) Both sides are hoping for a confrontation. Which didn't merit a comment from your thousands of racists narrative. I might as well claim the overwhelming majority were actually concerned pacifists from Greenpeace for the standards we're at. EDIT: Actually one bit on the second part that I've discussed in other posts but not the one you quoted. She's essentially said it's okay to pay to play if you're a donor to her family foundation, and it's okay to break the law if you didn't intend to use the lawbreaking to help foreign powers. If you want to say she'd have less chaos along with bad foreign policy, I'd agree with you. Do note I posted this story over 4 hours ago. Stories get updated. And I linked from NPR early in the day. Try again to find sources that only agree with what you want. Do note that I responded to a post without a story. Try again to find sources, period. Do note that this was in response to a post that had a source in it. Are...are you fucking with me? Serious question.
Nope. You're going off 2k-6k racist protestors, which deserves to be called out. Still waiting for a source. I gave a source showing a unique perspective on the statue. Your engagement was crickets. Sweet. Somehow the thought that the preservation of a statue, or an event the organizers hope will Unite the Right, will only bring racists out of the woodwork. Try and stay on point and not deflect when you run the mouth at zlefin's comment and then try to backpedal to the initial post like you haven't moved on to unsourced commentary.
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Interesting point on reddit was made, in regards to the "three vehicle crash".
The terrorist actually wasn't able to see those two cars standing there, which would explain why he hit it so hard. Which would mean he actually planned to go considerably further.
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On August 13 2017 07:50 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 07:46 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 07:45 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 07:44 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 07:32 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 07:18 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 06:59 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 05:10 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 02:26 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 01:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
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Nothing to discuss?
Not even getting into the race issue, this is the largest rally of white supremacist in 30 years, for Virginia. This is on a campus with 17-23 year old students standing against them. This was a precursor to today's planned rally, where 2k-6k racist members could show up today. To protest the removal of a statue. The police haven't moved and inch. The mayor hasn't said a word.
But you're right. Moving on. Let's get back to google dude. “This isn’t how he should have to grow up,” she said.
Cliff Erickson leaned against a fence and took in the scene. He said he thinks removing the statue amounts to erasing history and said the “counterprotesters are crazier than the alt-right.”
“Both sides are hoping for a confrontation,” he said. From the AP story You're making this a race issue, and you're ignoring other sides that wouldn't want the statue removed. You live there or something? Seriously. It's like your straining to make stories fit your narrative and hope nobody sees you shoehorning one into the other. How am I making this a race issue? It's clearly known that white supremacist are the ones marching to keep the statue. If a moderate wants the statue to stay, or even a black person for whatever reason, they'll protest peacefully and without trying to entice others to start something against them. Don't try to turn this into something I'm not even remotely talking about. BLM is the same thing. If they go protesting and enticing violence, then I would condemn them as well. There are peaceful ways to go about, alternative solutions to endeavor to find. MARCHING AROUND WITH TORCHES IN WHITE FUCKING HOODS, PROUDLY PROCLAIMING WHITE SUPREMACY IS NOT THE WAY TO GO ABOUT IT. Don't be stupid Danglars. I know you're smarter than that. There were like 200 in hoods and tiki torches. Try harder next time if you want to conflate everything. And if you want to just call people you don't like racists before launching into your manifestos on how protests should be run, talk to someone that's debating alternate solutions. I can't find the source where I read the number. But note the word could. I never said there were that many people. But continue to use the numbers I threw out there to disqualify any discussion on a topic you don't feel comfortable having at this time, Furthermore, continue to put words in my mouth that I never said, while trying to justify the behavior being shown last night and today as acceptable. Also, while you're at it, please link this to google dude and his manifesto of biological difference in the way men and women operate in relation to STEM fields. If you wish to continue, feel free to PM me and we can talk there. Now, if you will. Everything about today just rings hollow to anyone saying that Hillary would have been worse than trump. He's essentially said it was okay to be a bigot, misogynist, and stupid to this country. The people who believe in him and his words have come out. Granted, this has always been under the surface in this country, which I've experienced firsthand. But to have people cheering and goading individuals to exact bodily harm on someone because they do not agree with you viewpoint is disgusting. I guess it would matter if you find your source in the future. As it stands, my quoted AP source had street interviews showing gaspan example of somebody that thought (1) it was erasing history (2) counterprotesters are crazier than the alt-right and (3) Both sides are hoping for a confrontation. Which didn't merit a comment from your thousands of racists narrative. I might as well claim the overwhelming majority were actually concerned pacifists from Greenpeace for the standards we're at. EDIT: Actually one bit on the second part that I've discussed in other posts but not the one you quoted. She's essentially said it's okay to pay to play if you're a donor to her family foundation, and it's okay to break the law if you didn't intend to use the lawbreaking to help foreign powers. If you want to say she'd have less chaos along with bad foreign policy, I'd agree with you. Do note I posted this story over 4 hours ago. Stories get updated. And I linked from NPR early in the day. Try again to find sources that only agree with what you want. Do note that I responded to a post without a story. Try again to find sources, period. Do note that this was in response to a post that had a source in it. Are...are you fucking with me? Serious question. Nope. You're going off 2k-6k racist protestors, which deserves to be called out. Still waiting for a source. I gave a source showing a unique perspective on the statue. Your engagement was crickets. Sweet. Somehow the thought that the preservation of a statue, or an event the organizers hope will Unite the Right, will only bring racists out of the woodwork. Try and stay on point and not deflect when you run the mouth at zlefin's comment and then try to backpedal to the initial post like you haven't moved on to unsourced commentary.
The. Story. Was. Updated. Parts. Were. Taken. Out.
I really don't know what more you expect me to do besides jump back through time. When I posted it, the numbers were there. While there most definitely could be an error on my part, the fact remains that you are attempting to sidetrack this conversation to one about numbers. You do realize, that by doing so, you are setting a number yourself that 200 white supremacists is the bare minimum needed for anything to labeled racist.
You are the only one defending the amount of people, when in all truth, that's not the issue here. If it takes you to address the issues I and others have raised, fine. I made the numbers up.
Shit or get off the pot.
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On August 13 2017 07:59 m4ini wrote:
Interesting point on reddit was made, in regards to the "three vehicle crash".
The terrorist actually wasn't able to see those two cars standing there, which would explain why he hit it so hard. Which would mean he actually planned to go considerably further.
That is a horrifying thing to think about but also a good point.
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On August 13 2017 07:50 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 07:46 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 07:45 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 07:44 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 07:32 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 07:18 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 06:59 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 05:10 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 02:26 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 01:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
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Nothing to discuss?
Not even getting into the race issue, this is the largest rally of white supremacist in 30 years, for Virginia. This is on a campus with 17-23 year old students standing against them. This was a precursor to today's planned rally, where 2k-6k racist members could show up today. To protest the removal of a statue. The police haven't moved and inch. The mayor hasn't said a word.
But you're right. Moving on. Let's get back to google dude. “This isn’t how he should have to grow up,” she said.
Cliff Erickson leaned against a fence and took in the scene. He said he thinks removing the statue amounts to erasing history and said the “counterprotesters are crazier than the alt-right.”
“Both sides are hoping for a confrontation,” he said. From the AP story You're making this a race issue, and you're ignoring other sides that wouldn't want the statue removed. You live there or something? Seriously. It's like your straining to make stories fit your narrative and hope nobody sees you shoehorning one into the other. How am I making this a race issue? It's clearly known that white supremacist are the ones marching to keep the statue. If a moderate wants the statue to stay, or even a black person for whatever reason, they'll protest peacefully and without trying to entice others to start something against them. Don't try to turn this into something I'm not even remotely talking about. BLM is the same thing. If they go protesting and enticing violence, then I would condemn them as well. There are peaceful ways to go about, alternative solutions to endeavor to find. MARCHING AROUND WITH TORCHES IN WHITE FUCKING HOODS, PROUDLY PROCLAIMING WHITE SUPREMACY IS NOT THE WAY TO GO ABOUT IT. Don't be stupid Danglars. I know you're smarter than that. There were like 200 in hoods and tiki torches. Try harder next time if you want to conflate everything. And if you want to just call people you don't like racists before launching into your manifestos on how protests should be run, talk to someone that's debating alternate solutions. I can't find the source where I read the number. But note the word could. I never said there were that many people. But continue to use the numbers I threw out there to disqualify any discussion on a topic you don't feel comfortable having at this time, Furthermore, continue to put words in my mouth that I never said, while trying to justify the behavior being shown last night and today as acceptable. Also, while you're at it, please link this to google dude and his manifesto of biological difference in the way men and women operate in relation to STEM fields. If you wish to continue, feel free to PM me and we can talk there. Now, if you will. Everything about today just rings hollow to anyone saying that Hillary would have been worse than trump. He's essentially said it was okay to be a bigot, misogynist, and stupid to this country. The people who believe in him and his words have come out. Granted, this has always been under the surface in this country, which I've experienced firsthand. But to have people cheering and goading individuals to exact bodily harm on someone because they do not agree with you viewpoint is disgusting. I guess it would matter if you find your source in the future. As it stands, my quoted AP source had street interviews showing gaspan example of somebody that thought (1) it was erasing history (2) counterprotesters are crazier than the alt-right and (3) Both sides are hoping for a confrontation. Which didn't merit a comment from your thousands of racists narrative. I might as well claim the overwhelming majority were actually concerned pacifists from Greenpeace for the standards we're at. EDIT: Actually one bit on the second part that I've discussed in other posts but not the one you quoted. She's essentially said it's okay to pay to play if you're a donor to her family foundation, and it's okay to break the law if you didn't intend to use the lawbreaking to help foreign powers. If you want to say she'd have less chaos along with bad foreign policy, I'd agree with you. Do note I posted this story over 4 hours ago. Stories get updated. And I linked from NPR early in the day. Try again to find sources that only agree with what you want. Do note that I responded to a post without a story. Try again to find sources, period. Do note that this was in response to a post that had a source in it. Are...are you fucking with me? Serious question. Nope. You're going off 2k-6k racist protestors, which deserves to be called out. Still waiting for a source. I gave a source showing a unique perspective on the statue. Your engagement was crickets. Sweet. Somehow the thought that the preservation of a statue, or an event the organizers hope will Unite the Right, will only bring racists out of the woodwork. Try and stay on point and not deflect when you run the mouth at zlefin's comment and then try to backpedal to the initial post like you haven't moved on to unsourced commentary.
200 racist protestors are not fine either.
It's no use using the, from your perspective, overblown numbers to discredit the condemnation of a horrible, inhuman point of view.
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On August 13 2017 07:59 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 07:50 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 07:46 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 07:45 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 07:44 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 07:32 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 07:18 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 06:59 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 05:10 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 02:26 Danglars wrote:
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You're making this a race issue, and you're ignoring other sides that wouldn't want the statue removed. You live there or something? Seriously. It's like your straining to make stories fit your narrative and hope nobody sees you shoehorning one into the other. How am I making this a race issue? It's clearly known that white supremacist are the ones marching to keep the statue. If a moderate wants the statue to stay, or even a black person for whatever reason, they'll protest peacefully and without trying to entice others to start something against them. Don't try to turn this into something I'm not even remotely talking about. BLM is the same thing. If they go protesting and enticing violence, then I would condemn them as well. There are peaceful ways to go about, alternative solutions to endeavor to find. MARCHING AROUND WITH TORCHES IN WHITE FUCKING HOODS, PROUDLY PROCLAIMING WHITE SUPREMACY IS NOT THE WAY TO GO ABOUT IT. Don't be stupid Danglars. I know you're smarter than that. There were like 200 in hoods and tiki torches. Try harder next time if you want to conflate everything. And if you want to just call people you don't like racists before launching into your manifestos on how protests should be run, talk to someone that's debating alternate solutions. I can't find the source where I read the number. But note the word could. I never said there were that many people. But continue to use the numbers I threw out there to disqualify any discussion on a topic you don't feel comfortable having at this time, Furthermore, continue to put words in my mouth that I never said, while trying to justify the behavior being shown last night and today as acceptable. Also, while you're at it, please link this to google dude and his manifesto of biological difference in the way men and women operate in relation to STEM fields. If you wish to continue, feel free to PM me and we can talk there. Now, if you will. Everything about today just rings hollow to anyone saying that Hillary would have been worse than trump. He's essentially said it was okay to be a bigot, misogynist, and stupid to this country. The people who believe in him and his words have come out. Granted, this has always been under the surface in this country, which I've experienced firsthand. But to have people cheering and goading individuals to exact bodily harm on someone because they do not agree with you viewpoint is disgusting. I guess it would matter if you find your source in the future. As it stands, my quoted AP source had street interviews showing gaspan example of somebody that thought (1) it was erasing history (2) counterprotesters are crazier than the alt-right and (3) Both sides are hoping for a confrontation. Which didn't merit a comment from your thousands of racists narrative. I might as well claim the overwhelming majority were actually concerned pacifists from Greenpeace for the standards we're at. EDIT: Actually one bit on the second part that I've discussed in other posts but not the one you quoted. She's essentially said it's okay to pay to play if you're a donor to her family foundation, and it's okay to break the law if you didn't intend to use the lawbreaking to help foreign powers. If you want to say she'd have less chaos along with bad foreign policy, I'd agree with you. Do note I posted this story over 4 hours ago. Stories get updated. And I linked from NPR early in the day. Try again to find sources that only agree with what you want. Do note that I responded to a post without a story. Try again to find sources, period. Do note that this was in response to a post that had a source in it. Are...are you fucking with me? Serious question. Nope. You're going off 2k-6k racist protestors, which deserves to be called out. Still waiting for a source. I gave a source showing a unique perspective on the statue. Your engagement was crickets. Sweet. Somehow the thought that the preservation of a statue, or an event the organizers hope will Unite the Right, will only bring racists out of the woodwork. Try and stay on point and not deflect when you run the mouth at zlefin's comment and then try to backpedal to the initial post like you haven't moved on to unsourced commentary. The. Story. Was. Updated. Parts. Were. Taken. Out. I really don't know what more you expect me to do besides jump back through time. When I posted it, the numbers were there. While there most definitely could be an error on my part, the fact remains that you are attempting to sidetrack this conversation to one about numbers. You do realize, that by doing so, you are setting a number yourself that 200 white supremacists is the bare minimum needed for anything to labeled racist. You are the only one defending the amount of people, when in all truth, that's not the issue here. If it takes you to address the issues I and others have raised, fine. I made the numbers up. Shit or get off the pot.
There's plenty of sources stating the 2000-6000 number as "expected" anyway, so i'm not entirely sure what you two are talking about in the first place.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/12/white-supremacists-carry-torches-chant-nazi-slogans-rally-virginia/
The brawl at the University of Virginia came ahead of a much larger rally planned for Saturday, when thousands are expected for what monitors described as the "largest hate-gathering of its kind in decades in the US".
Police expect that between 2,000 and 6,000 demonstrators will gather in Emancipation Park around a statue of Robert E Lee, a Confederate general during the American Civil War.
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On August 13 2017 08:05 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 07:59 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 07:50 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 07:46 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 07:45 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 07:44 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 07:32 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 07:18 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 06:59 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 05:10 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
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How am I making this a race issue? It's clearly known that white supremacist are the ones marching to keep the statue. If a moderate wants the statue to stay, or even a black person for whatever reason, they'll protest peacefully and without trying to entice others to start something against them.
Don't try to turn this into something I'm not even remotely talking about. BLM is the same thing. If they go protesting and enticing violence, then I would condemn them as well. There are peaceful ways to go about, alternative solutions to endeavor to find.
MARCHING AROUND WITH TORCHES IN WHITE FUCKING HOODS, PROUDLY PROCLAIMING WHITE SUPREMACY IS NOT THE WAY TO GO ABOUT IT.
Don't be stupid Danglars. I know you're smarter than that. There were like 200 in hoods and tiki torches. Try harder next time if you want to conflate everything. And if you want to just call people you don't like racists before launching into your manifestos on how protests should be run, talk to someone that's debating alternate solutions. I can't find the source where I read the number. But note the word could. I never said there were that many people. But continue to use the numbers I threw out there to disqualify any discussion on a topic you don't feel comfortable having at this time, Furthermore, continue to put words in my mouth that I never said, while trying to justify the behavior being shown last night and today as acceptable. Also, while you're at it, please link this to google dude and his manifesto of biological difference in the way men and women operate in relation to STEM fields. If you wish to continue, feel free to PM me and we can talk there. Now, if you will. Everything about today just rings hollow to anyone saying that Hillary would have been worse than trump. He's essentially said it was okay to be a bigot, misogynist, and stupid to this country. The people who believe in him and his words have come out. Granted, this has always been under the surface in this country, which I've experienced firsthand. But to have people cheering and goading individuals to exact bodily harm on someone because they do not agree with you viewpoint is disgusting. I guess it would matter if you find your source in the future. As it stands, my quoted AP source had street interviews showing gaspan example of somebody that thought (1) it was erasing history (2) counterprotesters are crazier than the alt-right and (3) Both sides are hoping for a confrontation. Which didn't merit a comment from your thousands of racists narrative. I might as well claim the overwhelming majority were actually concerned pacifists from Greenpeace for the standards we're at. EDIT: Actually one bit on the second part that I've discussed in other posts but not the one you quoted. She's essentially said it's okay to pay to play if you're a donor to her family foundation, and it's okay to break the law if you didn't intend to use the lawbreaking to help foreign powers. If you want to say she'd have less chaos along with bad foreign policy, I'd agree with you. Do note I posted this story over 4 hours ago. Stories get updated. And I linked from NPR early in the day. Try again to find sources that only agree with what you want. Do note that I responded to a post without a story. Try again to find sources, period. Do note that this was in response to a post that had a source in it. Are...are you fucking with me? Serious question. Nope. You're going off 2k-6k racist protestors, which deserves to be called out. Still waiting for a source. I gave a source showing a unique perspective on the statue. Your engagement was crickets. Sweet. Somehow the thought that the preservation of a statue, or an event the organizers hope will Unite the Right, will only bring racists out of the woodwork. Try and stay on point and not deflect when you run the mouth at zlefin's comment and then try to backpedal to the initial post like you haven't moved on to unsourced commentary. The. Story. Was. Updated. Parts. Were. Taken. Out. I really don't know what more you expect me to do besides jump back through time. When I posted it, the numbers were there. While there most definitely could be an error on my part, the fact remains that you are attempting to sidetrack this conversation to one about numbers. You do realize, that by doing so, you are setting a number yourself that 200 white supremacists is the bare minimum needed for anything to labeled racist. You are the only one defending the amount of people, when in all truth, that's not the issue here. If it takes you to address the issues I and others have raised, fine. I made the numbers up. Shit or get off the pot. There's plenty of sources stating the 2000-6000 number as "expected" anyway, so i'm not entirely sure what you two are talking about in the first place.
He's trying to evade the discussion by focusing on the numbers. I want him to discuss the meat of the issue. It's maybe uncomfortable for him, so he dodges.
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On August 13 2017 08:07 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 08:05 m4ini wrote:On August 13 2017 07:59 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 07:50 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 07:46 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 07:45 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 07:44 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 07:32 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 07:18 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 06:59 Danglars wrote:
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There were like 200 in hoods and tiki torches. Try harder next time if you want to conflate everything. And if you want to just call people you don't like racists before launching into your manifestos on how protests should be run, talk to someone that's debating alternate solutions. I can't find the source where I read the number. But note the word could. I never said there were that many people. But continue to use the numbers I threw out there to disqualify any discussion on a topic you don't feel comfortable having at this time, Furthermore, continue to put words in my mouth that I never said, while trying to justify the behavior being shown last night and today as acceptable. Also, while you're at it, please link this to google dude and his manifesto of biological difference in the way men and women operate in relation to STEM fields. If you wish to continue, feel free to PM me and we can talk there. Now, if you will. Everything about today just rings hollow to anyone saying that Hillary would have been worse than trump. He's essentially said it was okay to be a bigot, misogynist, and stupid to this country. The people who believe in him and his words have come out. Granted, this has always been under the surface in this country, which I've experienced firsthand. But to have people cheering and goading individuals to exact bodily harm on someone because they do not agree with you viewpoint is disgusting. I guess it would matter if you find your source in the future. As it stands, my quoted AP source had street interviews showing gaspan example of somebody that thought (1) it was erasing history (2) counterprotesters are crazier than the alt-right and (3) Both sides are hoping for a confrontation. Which didn't merit a comment from your thousands of racists narrative. I might as well claim the overwhelming majority were actually concerned pacifists from Greenpeace for the standards we're at. EDIT: Actually one bit on the second part that I've discussed in other posts but not the one you quoted. She's essentially said it's okay to pay to play if you're a donor to her family foundation, and it's okay to break the law if you didn't intend to use the lawbreaking to help foreign powers. If you want to say she'd have less chaos along with bad foreign policy, I'd agree with you. Do note I posted this story over 4 hours ago. Stories get updated. And I linked from NPR early in the day. Try again to find sources that only agree with what you want. Do note that I responded to a post without a story. Try again to find sources, period. Do note that this was in response to a post that had a source in it. Are...are you fucking with me? Serious question. Nope. You're going off 2k-6k racist protestors, which deserves to be called out. Still waiting for a source. I gave a source showing a unique perspective on the statue. Your engagement was crickets. Sweet. Somehow the thought that the preservation of a statue, or an event the organizers hope will Unite the Right, will only bring racists out of the woodwork. Try and stay on point and not deflect when you run the mouth at zlefin's comment and then try to backpedal to the initial post like you haven't moved on to unsourced commentary. The. Story. Was. Updated. Parts. Were. Taken. Out. I really don't know what more you expect me to do besides jump back through time. When I posted it, the numbers were there. While there most definitely could be an error on my part, the fact remains that you are attempting to sidetrack this conversation to one about numbers. You do realize, that by doing so, you are setting a number yourself that 200 white supremacists is the bare minimum needed for anything to labeled racist. You are the only one defending the amount of people, when in all truth, that's not the issue here. If it takes you to address the issues I and others have raised, fine. I made the numbers up. Shit or get off the pot. There's plenty of sources stating the 2000-6000 number as "expected" anyway, so i'm not entirely sure what you two are talking about in the first place. He's trying to evade the discussion by focusing on the numbers. I want him to discuss the meat of the issue. It's maybe uncomfortable for him, so he dodges.
Oh, no doubt about that, i just don't know why you let him bait you into this stupid back and forth. You're going nowhere, and he's not gonna admit that the exact numbers are absolutely trivial anyway.
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Cross your fingers, or if you're into it, pray that the toll doesn't rise.
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I'd say that two of those three people are the guys in the police helicopter, so it's not entirely related. That's just me guessing by what i've read in regards to the clashes though.
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