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On August 13 2017 06:21 OuchyDathurts wrote:
This thread is massively on point.
The incredible majority of it, for sure.
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On August 13 2017 03:49 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 02:53 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 02:51 Slaughter wrote:On August 13 2017 02:28 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 02:21 LegalLord wrote:On August 13 2017 02:16 TheYango wrote:On August 13 2017 01:44 LegalLord wrote:
What's most surprising is that someone could look at the job Hillary did as SoS and say, "I'd like four more years of that." Trump aside. Lol you can't in the same breath say "people talking about how bad Trump are need to remember how bad Hillary was too" and "Hillary would have been terrible, regardless of how bad Trump is". Either you appraise both in the lens of the other, or examine both in isolation. I'm no fan of Hillary either as you're well aware, but this is a pretty ridiculous double standard you're applying here. I mean if you want to say she'd be better, she probably would be. That much is fair. But let's not take the extra step of "she's so qualified, she would do great." Because it's simply not true. Trump was right in his debates: Hillary has many years of experience, but it's experience in failure and badness. Thinking Trump is an unqualified buffoon does not instantly make his opponent good. Specific context for which I made that statement: On August 13 2017 01:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Some American voters: The West Wing and Madam Secretary make me think that Hillary could handle this job pretty well.
Other American voters: I want my country to turn into Celebrity Apprentice. Trump being bad doesn't mean that Hillary could handle the job well at all. And Americans saw her experience and record and enough voted otherwise or stayed home. Some people are so attached to her as we chat today that they won't accept the results of the election. He won unfairly because Russia was pulling for him, don't you see, Hillary is the true victor... Yea they saw her and voted for her enough to beat her opposition by millions. Good thing the national election is a term of art for 50 separate elections and everybody knew the ground rules going in. You can't make the argument that the people rejected Hillary and then when it's pointed out that the people didn't reject her go "well yeah but it's not about the popular vote". You're the one who opened by insisting that the the American population saw her record and voted otherwise.
I can totally say enough votes otherwise or stayed home. Which is what I said. Enough to keep her out of the White House according to the rules of who wins the White House.
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On August 13 2017 04:14 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 02:26 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 01:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 01:05 zlefin wrote:
I don't see what there is to talk about there. what's there to say/discuss/assess?
not that the google dude needs talking about either, as it's already been solved and analyzed. Nothing to discuss? Not even getting into the race issue, this is the largest rally of white supremacist in 30 years, for Virginia. This is on a campus with 17-23 year old students standing against them. This was a precursor to today's planned rally, where 2k-6k racist members could show up today. To protest the removal of a statue. The police haven't moved and inch. The mayor hasn't said a word. But you're right. Moving on. Let's get back to google dude. “This isn’t how he should have to grow up,” she said.
Cliff Erickson leaned against a fence and took in the scene. He said he thinks removing the statue amounts to erasing history and said the “counterprotesters are crazier than the alt-right.”
“Both sides are hoping for a confrontation,” he said. From the AP story You're making this a race issue, and you're ignoring other sides that wouldn't want the statue removed. You live there or something? Seriously. It's like your straining to make stories fit your narrative and hope nobody sees you shoehorning one into the other. Bruh, "the history" they are worried about being erased is exactly the part of history folks at that protest and folks like yourself usually suggest we "get over", "It was long ago, why do you think it impacts you today", and other equally stupid things. I know you aren't dumb enough to think that this about making a town ahistorical because they take down statues of terrible people in history. Meanwhile no problem with the efforts to whitewash and sanitize US history of the evil and terrible things that the very people they are trying to memorialize actually did. You funny.
Not relavent to post. He chose 2k-6k racist members. That's way the fuck overly broad description for the opposition.
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On August 13 2017 05:10 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 02:26 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 01:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 01:05 zlefin wrote:
I don't see what there is to talk about there. what's there to say/discuss/assess?
not that the google dude needs talking about either, as it's already been solved and analyzed. Nothing to discuss? Not even getting into the race issue, this is the largest rally of white supremacist in 30 years, for Virginia. This is on a campus with 17-23 year old students standing against them. This was a precursor to today's planned rally, where 2k-6k racist members could show up today. To protest the removal of a statue. The police haven't moved and inch. The mayor hasn't said a word. But you're right. Moving on. Let's get back to google dude. “This isn’t how he should have to grow up,” she said.
Cliff Erickson leaned against a fence and took in the scene. He said he thinks removing the statue amounts to erasing history and said the “counterprotesters are crazier than the alt-right.”
“Both sides are hoping for a confrontation,” he said. From the AP story You're making this a race issue, and you're ignoring other sides that wouldn't want the statue removed. You live there or something? Seriously. It's like your straining to make stories fit your narrative and hope nobody sees you shoehorning one into the other. How am I making this a race issue? It's clearly known that white supremacist are the ones marching to keep the statue. If a moderate wants the statue to stay, or even a black person for whatever reason, they'll protest peacefully and without trying to entice others to start something against them. Don't try to turn this into something I'm not even remotely talking about. BLM is the same thing. If they go protesting and enticing violence, then I would condemn them as well. There are peaceful ways to go about, alternative solutions to endeavor to find. MARCHING AROUND WITH TORCHES IN WHITE FUCKING HOODS, PROUDLY PROCLAIMING WHITE SUPREMACY IS NOT THE WAY TO GO ABOUT IT. Don't be stupid Danglars. I know you're smarter than that.
There were like 200 in hoods and tiki torches. Try harder next time if you want to conflate everything. And if you want to just call people you don't like racists before launching into your manifestos on how protests should be run, talk to someone that's debating alternate solutions.
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On August 13 2017 06:53 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 03:49 KwarK wrote:On August 13 2017 02:53 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 02:51 Slaughter wrote:On August 13 2017 02:28 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 02:21 LegalLord wrote:On August 13 2017 02:16 TheYango wrote:On August 13 2017 01:44 LegalLord wrote:
What's most surprising is that someone could look at the job Hillary did as SoS and say, "I'd like four more years of that." Trump aside. Lol you can't in the same breath say "people talking about how bad Trump are need to remember how bad Hillary was too" and "Hillary would have been terrible, regardless of how bad Trump is". Either you appraise both in the lens of the other, or examine both in isolation. I'm no fan of Hillary either as you're well aware, but this is a pretty ridiculous double standard you're applying here. I mean if you want to say she'd be better, she probably would be. That much is fair. But let's not take the extra step of "she's so qualified, she would do great." Because it's simply not true. Trump was right in his debates: Hillary has many years of experience, but it's experience in failure and badness. Thinking Trump is an unqualified buffoon does not instantly make his opponent good. Specific context for which I made that statement: On August 13 2017 01:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Some American voters: The West Wing and Madam Secretary make me think that Hillary could handle this job pretty well.
Other American voters: I want my country to turn into Celebrity Apprentice. Trump being bad doesn't mean that Hillary could handle the job well at all. And Americans saw her experience and record and enough voted otherwise or stayed home. Some people are so attached to her as we chat today that they won't accept the results of the election. He won unfairly because Russia was pulling for him, don't you see, Hillary is the true victor... Yea they saw her and voted for her enough to beat her opposition by millions. Good thing the national election is a term of art for 50 separate elections and everybody knew the ground rules going in. You can't make the argument that the people rejected Hillary and then when it's pointed out that the people didn't reject her go "well yeah but it's not about the popular vote". You're the one who opened by insisting that the the American population saw her record and voted otherwise. I can totally say enough votes otherwise or stayed home. Which is what I said. Enough to keep her out of the White House according to the rules of who wins the White House.
You can't make the argument that Hillary didn't get enough votes and Trump did when Hillary got more votes than Trump. Clearly it wasn't decided by who got more votes. Not enough votes was not Hillary's issue. If you'd said that the problem was that her votes were too clustered we wouldn't be arguing here.
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On August 13 2017 06:59 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 05:10 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 02:26 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 01:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 01:05 zlefin wrote:
I don't see what there is to talk about there. what's there to say/discuss/assess?
not that the google dude needs talking about either, as it's already been solved and analyzed. Nothing to discuss? Not even getting into the race issue, this is the largest rally of white supremacist in 30 years, for Virginia. This is on a campus with 17-23 year old students standing against them. This was a precursor to today's planned rally, where 2k-6k racist members could show up today. To protest the removal of a statue. The police haven't moved and inch. The mayor hasn't said a word. But you're right. Moving on. Let's get back to google dude. “This isn’t how he should have to grow up,” she said.
Cliff Erickson leaned against a fence and took in the scene. He said he thinks removing the statue amounts to erasing history and said the “counterprotesters are crazier than the alt-right.”
“Both sides are hoping for a confrontation,” he said. From the AP story You're making this a race issue, and you're ignoring other sides that wouldn't want the statue removed. You live there or something? Seriously. It's like your straining to make stories fit your narrative and hope nobody sees you shoehorning one into the other. How am I making this a race issue? It's clearly known that white supremacist are the ones marching to keep the statue. If a moderate wants the statue to stay, or even a black person for whatever reason, they'll protest peacefully and without trying to entice others to start something against them. Don't try to turn this into something I'm not even remotely talking about. BLM is the same thing. If they go protesting and enticing violence, then I would condemn them as well. There are peaceful ways to go about, alternative solutions to endeavor to find. MARCHING AROUND WITH TORCHES IN WHITE FUCKING HOODS, PROUDLY PROCLAIMING WHITE SUPREMACY IS NOT THE WAY TO GO ABOUT IT. Don't be stupid Danglars. I know you're smarter than that. There were like 200 in hoods and tiki torches.
Is that the threshold nowadays for what qualifies as a racist?
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On August 13 2017 06:59 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 05:10 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 02:26 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 01:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 01:05 zlefin wrote:
I don't see what there is to talk about there. what's there to say/discuss/assess?
not that the google dude needs talking about either, as it's already been solved and analyzed. Nothing to discuss? Not even getting into the race issue, this is the largest rally of white supremacist in 30 years, for Virginia. This is on a campus with 17-23 year old students standing against them. This was a precursor to today's planned rally, where 2k-6k racist members could show up today. To protest the removal of a statue. The police haven't moved and inch. The mayor hasn't said a word. But you're right. Moving on. Let's get back to google dude. “This isn’t how he should have to grow up,” she said.
Cliff Erickson leaned against a fence and took in the scene. He said he thinks removing the statue amounts to erasing history and said the “counterprotesters are crazier than the alt-right.”
“Both sides are hoping for a confrontation,” he said. From the AP story You're making this a race issue, and you're ignoring other sides that wouldn't want the statue removed. You live there or something? Seriously. It's like your straining to make stories fit your narrative and hope nobody sees you shoehorning one into the other. How am I making this a race issue? It's clearly known that white supremacist are the ones marching to keep the statue. If a moderate wants the statue to stay, or even a black person for whatever reason, they'll protest peacefully and without trying to entice others to start something against them. Don't try to turn this into something I'm not even remotely talking about. BLM is the same thing. If they go protesting and enticing violence, then I would condemn them as well. There are peaceful ways to go about, alternative solutions to endeavor to find. MARCHING AROUND WITH TORCHES IN WHITE FUCKING HOODS, PROUDLY PROCLAIMING WHITE SUPREMACY IS NOT THE WAY TO GO ABOUT IT. Don't be stupid Danglars. I know you're smarter than that. There were like 200 in hoods and tiki torches. Try harder next time if you want to conflate everything. And if you want to just call people you don't like racists before launching into your manifestos on how protests should be run, talk to someone that's debating alternate solutions.
I can't find the source where I read the number. But note the word could. I never said there were that many people. But continue to use the numbers I threw out there to disqualify any discussion on a topic you don't feel comfortable having at this time, Furthermore, continue to put words in my mouth that I never said, while trying to justify the behavior being shown last night and today as acceptable. Also, while you're at it, please link this to google dude and his manifesto of biological difference in the way men and women operate in relation to STEM fields. If you wish to continue, feel free to PM me and we can talk there. Now, if you will.
Everything about today just rings hollow to anyone saying that Hillary would have been worse than trump. He's essentially said it was okay to be a bigot, misogynist, and stupid to this country. The people who believe in him and his words have come out. Granted, this has always been under the surface in this country, which I've experienced firsthand. But to have people cheering and goading individuals to exact bodily harm on someone because they do not agree with you viewpoint is disgusting.
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Goes without saying, or is there actually any doubt about that?
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hey wtf
is there a hurdle below which racists and fucking KKK people are acceptable?
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And the Nazis know and love that he won't call it out.
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According to some people, yes. White, male, and American gives you a "get out of jail free card." Regardless of how bigoted or misogynistic you are. (in relation to today and yesterday's news).
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I also love how it's acceptable to name a publication after the NSDAP party "newspaper". Almost a literal copy.
e:its late, typos
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Estonia4505 Posts
At this point, Trump might as well offer the perpetrator the communications director position to "heal the divide". A disgusting attack and a deplorable response.
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On August 13 2017 07:05 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 06:53 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 03:49 KwarK wrote:On August 13 2017 02:53 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 02:51 Slaughter wrote:On August 13 2017 02:28 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 02:21 LegalLord wrote:On August 13 2017 02:16 TheYango wrote:On August 13 2017 01:44 LegalLord wrote:
What's most surprising is that someone could look at the job Hillary did as SoS and say, "I'd like four more years of that." Trump aside. Lol you can't in the same breath say "people talking about how bad Trump are need to remember how bad Hillary was too" and "Hillary would have been terrible, regardless of how bad Trump is". Either you appraise both in the lens of the other, or examine both in isolation. I'm no fan of Hillary either as you're well aware, but this is a pretty ridiculous double standard you're applying here. I mean if you want to say she'd be better, she probably would be. That much is fair. But let's not take the extra step of "she's so qualified, she would do great." Because it's simply not true. Trump was right in his debates: Hillary has many years of experience, but it's experience in failure and badness. Thinking Trump is an unqualified buffoon does not instantly make his opponent good. Specific context for which I made that statement: On August 13 2017 01:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Some American voters: The West Wing and Madam Secretary make me think that Hillary could handle this job pretty well.
Other American voters: I want my country to turn into Celebrity Apprentice. Trump being bad doesn't mean that Hillary could handle the job well at all. And Americans saw her experience and record and enough voted otherwise or stayed home. Some people are so attached to her as we chat today that they won't accept the results of the election. He won unfairly because Russia was pulling for him, don't you see, Hillary is the true victor... Yea they saw her and voted for her enough to beat her opposition by millions. Good thing the national election is a term of art for 50 separate elections and everybody knew the ground rules going in. You can't make the argument that the people rejected Hillary and then when it's pointed out that the people didn't reject her go "well yeah but it's not about the popular vote". You're the one who opened by insisting that the the American population saw her record and voted otherwise. I can totally say enough votes otherwise or stayed home. Which is what I said. Enough to keep her out of the White House according to the rules of who wins the White House. You can't make the argument that Hillary didn't get enough votes and Trump did when Hillary got more votes than Trump. Clearly it wasn't decided by who got more votes. Not enough votes was not Hillary's issue. If you'd said that the problem was that her votes were too clustered we wouldn't be arguing here.
If you want to quibble about what it means to say "enough voters stayed home," you're welcome to troll on and on. The election comes down to a number of swing states and this time around it changed which were in play. If your favorite team showed up to a tournament and wanted to play by the rules of a round robin instead of single elimination, don't whine that the opponents didn't win enough games. Pathetic.
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On August 13 2017 07:14 m4ini wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 06:59 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 05:10 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 02:26 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 01:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 01:05 zlefin wrote:
I don't see what there is to talk about there. what's there to say/discuss/assess?
not that the google dude needs talking about either, as it's already been solved and analyzed. Nothing to discuss? Not even getting into the race issue, this is the largest rally of white supremacist in 30 years, for Virginia. This is on a campus with 17-23 year old students standing against them. This was a precursor to today's planned rally, where 2k-6k racist members could show up today. To protest the removal of a statue. The police haven't moved and inch. The mayor hasn't said a word. But you're right. Moving on. Let's get back to google dude. “This isn’t how he should have to grow up,” she said.
Cliff Erickson leaned against a fence and took in the scene. He said he thinks removing the statue amounts to erasing history and said the “counterprotesters are crazier than the alt-right.”
“Both sides are hoping for a confrontation,” he said. From the AP story You're making this a race issue, and you're ignoring other sides that wouldn't want the statue removed. You live there or something? Seriously. It's like your straining to make stories fit your narrative and hope nobody sees you shoehorning one into the other. How am I making this a race issue? It's clearly known that white supremacist are the ones marching to keep the statue. If a moderate wants the statue to stay, or even a black person for whatever reason, they'll protest peacefully and without trying to entice others to start something against them. Don't try to turn this into something I'm not even remotely talking about. BLM is the same thing. If they go protesting and enticing violence, then I would condemn them as well. There are peaceful ways to go about, alternative solutions to endeavor to find. MARCHING AROUND WITH TORCHES IN WHITE FUCKING HOODS, PROUDLY PROCLAIMING WHITE SUPREMACY IS NOT THE WAY TO GO ABOUT IT. Don't be stupid Danglars. I know you're smarter than that. There were like 200 in hoods and tiki torches. Is that the threshold nowadays for what qualifies as a racist?
When you're talking 2,000 to 6,000 then refer back to 200 in hoods and tiki torches, it matters. Kind of like facts matter.
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On August 13 2017 07:29 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 07:14 m4ini wrote:On August 13 2017 06:59 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 05:10 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 02:26 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 01:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 01:05 zlefin wrote:
I don't see what there is to talk about there. what's there to say/discuss/assess?
not that the google dude needs talking about either, as it's already been solved and analyzed. Nothing to discuss? Not even getting into the race issue, this is the largest rally of white supremacist in 30 years, for Virginia. This is on a campus with 17-23 year old students standing against them. This was a precursor to today's planned rally, where 2k-6k racist members could show up today. To protest the removal of a statue. The police haven't moved and inch. The mayor hasn't said a word. But you're right. Moving on. Let's get back to google dude. “This isn’t how he should have to grow up,” she said.
Cliff Erickson leaned against a fence and took in the scene. He said he thinks removing the statue amounts to erasing history and said the “counterprotesters are crazier than the alt-right.”
“Both sides are hoping for a confrontation,” he said. From the AP story You're making this a race issue, and you're ignoring other sides that wouldn't want the statue removed. You live there or something? Seriously. It's like your straining to make stories fit your narrative and hope nobody sees you shoehorning one into the other. How am I making this a race issue? It's clearly known that white supremacist are the ones marching to keep the statue. If a moderate wants the statue to stay, or even a black person for whatever reason, they'll protest peacefully and without trying to entice others to start something against them. Don't try to turn this into something I'm not even remotely talking about. BLM is the same thing. If they go protesting and enticing violence, then I would condemn them as well. There are peaceful ways to go about, alternative solutions to endeavor to find. MARCHING AROUND WITH TORCHES IN WHITE FUCKING HOODS, PROUDLY PROCLAIMING WHITE SUPREMACY IS NOT THE WAY TO GO ABOUT IT. Don't be stupid Danglars. I know you're smarter than that. There were like 200 in hoods and tiki torches. Is that the threshold nowadays for what qualifies as a racist? When you're talking 2,000 to 6,000 then refer back to 200 in hoods and tiki torches, it matters. Kind of like facts matter.
Not for this administration.
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On August 13 2017 07:26 Artisreal wrote:
I also love how it's acceptable to name a publication after the NSDAP party "newspaper". Almost a literal copy.
e:its late, typos
Well.
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Hitler really isn't that big a deal in the US where hatespeech is no big deal, except after it showed the consequences.
When you're talking 2,000 to 6,000 then refer back to 200 in hoods and tiki torches, it matters. Kind of like facts matter.
A rally announced by white nationalists, and you argue that the majority wasn't racist? There's people running around with hitler quotes on their T-shirts, am i missing something here?
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On August 13 2017 07:28 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 07:05 KwarK wrote:On August 13 2017 06:53 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 03:49 KwarK wrote:On August 13 2017 02:53 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 02:51 Slaughter wrote:On August 13 2017 02:28 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 02:21 LegalLord wrote:On August 13 2017 02:16 TheYango wrote:On August 13 2017 01:44 LegalLord wrote:
What's most surprising is that someone could look at the job Hillary did as SoS and say, "I'd like four more years of that." Trump aside. Lol you can't in the same breath say "people talking about how bad Trump are need to remember how bad Hillary was too" and "Hillary would have been terrible, regardless of how bad Trump is". Either you appraise both in the lens of the other, or examine both in isolation. I'm no fan of Hillary either as you're well aware, but this is a pretty ridiculous double standard you're applying here. I mean if you want to say she'd be better, she probably would be. That much is fair. But let's not take the extra step of "she's so qualified, she would do great." Because it's simply not true. Trump was right in his debates: Hillary has many years of experience, but it's experience in failure and badness. Thinking Trump is an unqualified buffoon does not instantly make his opponent good. Specific context for which I made that statement: On August 13 2017 01:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Some American voters: The West Wing and Madam Secretary make me think that Hillary could handle this job pretty well.
Other American voters: I want my country to turn into Celebrity Apprentice. Trump being bad doesn't mean that Hillary could handle the job well at all. And Americans saw her experience and record and enough voted otherwise or stayed home. Some people are so attached to her as we chat today that they won't accept the results of the election. He won unfairly because Russia was pulling for him, don't you see, Hillary is the true victor... Yea they saw her and voted for her enough to beat her opposition by millions. Good thing the national election is a term of art for 50 separate elections and everybody knew the ground rules going in. You can't make the argument that the people rejected Hillary and then when it's pointed out that the people didn't reject her go "well yeah but it's not about the popular vote". You're the one who opened by insisting that the the American population saw her record and voted otherwise. I can totally say enough votes otherwise or stayed home. Which is what I said. Enough to keep her out of the White House according to the rules of who wins the White House. You can't make the argument that Hillary didn't get enough votes and Trump did when Hillary got more votes than Trump. Clearly it wasn't decided by who got more votes. Not enough votes was not Hillary's issue. If you'd said that the problem was that her votes were too clustered we wouldn't be arguing here. If you want to quibble about what it means to say "enough voters stayed home," you're welcome to troll on and on. The election comes down to a number of swing states and this time around it changed which were in play. If your favorite team showed up to a tournament and wanted to play by the rules of a round robin instead of single elimination, don't whine that the opponents didn't win enough games. Pathetic.
You're not understanding my point at all. I know Hillary lost because she lost the electoral college. I'm aware of this. What I object to is you attempting to insist that she lost because not enough people voted for her. Reread what I'm saying and stop arguing against an opponent of your own construction.
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On August 13 2017 07:18 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 06:59 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 05:10 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 02:26 Danglars wrote:On August 13 2017 01:09 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On August 13 2017 01:05 zlefin wrote:
I don't see what there is to talk about there. what's there to say/discuss/assess?
not that the google dude needs talking about either, as it's already been solved and analyzed. Nothing to discuss? Not even getting into the race issue, this is the largest rally of white supremacist in 30 years, for Virginia. This is on a campus with 17-23 year old students standing against them. This was a precursor to today's planned rally, where 2k-6k racist members could show up today. To protest the removal of a statue. The police haven't moved and inch. The mayor hasn't said a word. But you're right. Moving on. Let's get back to google dude. “This isn’t how he should have to grow up,” she said.
Cliff Erickson leaned against a fence and took in the scene. He said he thinks removing the statue amounts to erasing history and said the “counterprotesters are crazier than the alt-right.”
“Both sides are hoping for a confrontation,” he said. From the AP story You're making this a race issue, and you're ignoring other sides that wouldn't want the statue removed. You live there or something? Seriously. It's like your straining to make stories fit your narrative and hope nobody sees you shoehorning one into the other. How am I making this a race issue? It's clearly known that white supremacist are the ones marching to keep the statue. If a moderate wants the statue to stay, or even a black person for whatever reason, they'll protest peacefully and without trying to entice others to start something against them. Don't try to turn this into something I'm not even remotely talking about. BLM is the same thing. If they go protesting and enticing violence, then I would condemn them as well. There are peaceful ways to go about, alternative solutions to endeavor to find. MARCHING AROUND WITH TORCHES IN WHITE FUCKING HOODS, PROUDLY PROCLAIMING WHITE SUPREMACY IS NOT THE WAY TO GO ABOUT IT. Don't be stupid Danglars. I know you're smarter than that. There were like 200 in hoods and tiki torches. Try harder next time if you want to conflate everything. And if you want to just call people you don't like racists before launching into your manifestos on how protests should be run, talk to someone that's debating alternate solutions. I can't find the source where I read the number. But note the word could. I never said there were that many people. But continue to use the numbers I threw out there to disqualify any discussion on a topic you don't feel comfortable having at this time, Furthermore, continue to put words in my mouth that I never said, while trying to justify the behavior being shown last night and today as acceptable. Also, while you're at it, please link this to google dude and his manifesto of biological difference in the way men and women operate in relation to STEM fields. If you wish to continue, feel free to PM me and we can talk there. Now, if you will. Everything about today just rings hollow to anyone saying that Hillary would have been worse than trump. He's essentially said it was okay to be a bigot, misogynist, and stupid to this country. The people who believe in him and his words have come out. Granted, this has always been under the surface in this country, which I've experienced firsthand. But to have people cheering and goading individuals to exact bodily harm on someone because they do not agree with you viewpoint is disgusting.
I guess it would matter if you find your source in the future. As it stands, my quoted AP source had street interviews showing
gasp
an example of somebody that thought (1) it was erasing history (2) counterprotesters are crazier than the alt-right and (3) Both sides are hoping for a confrontation. Which didn't merit a comment from your thousands of racists narrative. I might as well claim the overwhelming majority were actually concerned pacifists from Greenpeace for the standards we're at.
EDIT: Actually one bit on the second part that I've discussed in other posts but not the one you quoted. She's essentially said it's okay to pay to play if you're a donor to her family foundation, and it's okay to break the law if you didn't intend to use the lawbreaking to help foreign powers. If you want to say she'd have less chaos along with bad foreign policy, I'd agree with you.
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