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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 20 2017 15:20 GMT
#162781
In major public works news...

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 20 2017 15:20 GMT
#162782
On July 21 2017 00:09 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2017 23:59 thePunGun wrote:
Uhm, it's not like Lincoln was an abolitionist or even believed blacks should be granted the same rights as whites. One of Lincoln's key goals during the Civil War was to keep England from supporting the South, which is another reasons, why he thought emancipation was the right move. Because the British crown changed their stance on slavery. (Source)

Britain had zero interest in supporting the south.

The Republican party was founded to end slavery. Saying Lincoln was not an abolitionist involves nitpicking what being an abolitionist entails.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 20 2017 15:21 GMT
#162783
On July 21 2017 00:16 On_Slaught wrote:
Fire him Trump! He is disobeying your red line!


You know you want to, Trump.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8982 Posts
July 20 2017 15:22 GMT
#162784
If the pilot airs, I'll be looking at which markets have the highest viewership. That should be revealing as to who this show applies to.

If trump thinks the PM of Japan cannot speak English, or his wife...Most kids in Japan speak English even if it's broken. And they sure as hell understand basics of English. If I was PM Abe, I'd demand an apology. Or seppuku.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 20 2017 15:22 GMT
#162785
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 20 2017 15:24 GMT
#162786
On July 21 2017 00:15 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:

This is the best use of selective fluency I've seen in years.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42640 Posts
July 20 2017 15:24 GMT
#162787
On July 21 2017 00:15 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/justinsink/status/888016730186035201

I have this amazing mental image of Trump leaning over and saying "you know, my hands look much bigger if you hold them right up to your face like this" and a panicking Akie Abe stammering "me no speak English".
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
July 20 2017 15:24 GMT
#162788
On July 20 2017 23:59 thePunGun wrote:
Uhm, it's not like Lincoln was an abolitionist or even believed blacks should be granted the same rights as whites. One of Lincoln's key goals during the Civil War was to keep England from supporting the South, which is another reasons, why he thought emancipation was the right move. Because the British crown changed their stance on slavery. (Source)

Abolitionists reluctantly supported Lincoln, kind of like conservatives and some evangelicals reluctantly supported Trump
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
July 20 2017 15:26 GMT
#162789
On July 21 2017 00:22 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/ericgarland/status/888050950836977664

Adam Schiff would try to pass legislation forming a new select committee and hire Mueller to head it. He'd probably succeed.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2623 Posts
July 20 2017 15:27 GMT
#162790
Poll time!

Poll: Will we have Saturday Night Massacre 2.0?

Yes, with the LR by POTUS tonight on Twitter (1)
 
6%

Yes, right after Spicer says Trump has "full confidence" in Mueller. (2)
 
13%

Yes, after a week of contradictory statements from everyone in the White House. (6)
 
38%

No, after a week of contradictory statements from everyone in the White House. (5)
 
31%

No, just lots of tweets about "failing Dem operative Lyin' Mueller" (2)
 
13%

16 total votes

Your vote: Will we have Saturday Night Massacre 2.0?

(Vote): Yes, with the LR by POTUS tonight on Twitter
(Vote): Yes, right after Spicer says Trump has "full confidence" in Mueller.
(Vote): Yes, after a week of contradictory statements from everyone in the White House.
(Vote): No, after a week of contradictory statements from everyone in the White House.
(Vote): No, just lots of tweets about "failing Dem operative Lyin' Mueller"

Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21665 Posts
July 20 2017 15:29 GMT
#162791
On July 21 2017 00:14 Doodsmack wrote:
Dat timing


I cant help but wonder if this 'leak' was planned after Trump made his dumb statement that he might fire Meuller.
Put pressure on a suspect and wait for him to screw up is a time honored investigation method.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
mozoku
Profile Joined September 2012
United States708 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-20 15:30:41
July 20 2017 15:30 GMT
#162792
On July 20 2017 23:49 KwarK wrote:
Hell, at least they acknowledge that the south wanted to keep slaves and that's what the conflict was over. These days that's more than a lot of southerners will concede. "Muh states rights!"

Eh, that depends on how you define "what the conflict was over." The South seceded over slavery, but the Union didn't start the Civil War to free the slaves either.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 20 2017 15:31 GMT
#162793
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2623 Posts
July 20 2017 15:32 GMT
#162794
On July 21 2017 00:27 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Poll time!

Poll: Will we have Saturday Night Massacre 2.0?

Yes, with the LR by POTUS tonight on Twitter (1)
 
6%

Yes, right after Spicer says Trump has "full confidence" in Mueller. (2)
 
13%

Yes, after a week of contradictory statements from everyone in the White House. (6)
 
38%

No, after a week of contradictory statements from everyone in the White House. (5)
 
31%

No, just lots of tweets about "failing Dem operative Lyin' Mueller" (2)
 
13%

16 total votes

Your vote: Will we have Saturday Night Massacre 2.0?

(Vote): Yes, with the LR by POTUS tonight on Twitter
(Vote): Yes, right after Spicer says Trump has "full confidence" in Mueller.
(Vote): Yes, after a week of contradictory statements from everyone in the White House.
(Vote): No, after a week of contradictory statements from everyone in the White House.
(Vote): No, just lots of tweets about "failing Dem operative Lyin' Mueller"


Ahhh I should have called Mueller " a LOSER and FAKE REPUBLICAN" in my poll.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
July 20 2017 15:33 GMT
#162795


Good news for campus free speech: as opposed to Middlebury, Claremont-McKenna decided on real punishments for the protestors that blocked all public entrances do Heather McDonald's talks and prevented the scheduled dinner.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2623 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-20 15:37:56
July 20 2017 15:35 GMT
#162796
On July 21 2017 00:33 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/tomdmeyer/status/888023343764570112

Good news for campus free speech: as opposed to Middlebury, Claremont-McKenna decided on real punishments for the protestors that blocked all public entrances do Heather McDonald's talks and prevented the scheduled dinner.

Good for them! Stupid college protests to prevent someone from even speaking in the first place should be punished.

Though I don't actually agree with the author that those students should have been immediately expelled. I think that's overly harsh.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-07-20 15:39:45
July 20 2017 15:37 GMT
#162797
A victory for public order. I dislike when the police do everything in their power to avoid arresting and charging people. I have had more than a few trespassing cases that started with the police being unwilling to remove clear squatters and then they were still unwilling to remove them after we obtain a order from the court. Or my personal favorite, when police would just drive the homeless squatters to another town across the river and drop them off.

Edit; The college protesters didn’t seem to be the problem. Berkley was experiencing this weird influx of protesters from outside areas that were set on property destruction. I’m pretty sure if it was only the students protesting, the college could have handled it.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13924 Posts
July 20 2017 15:40 GMT
#162798
I wouldn't buy for a second that britian didn't have some interest in supporting the south to divide the united states and keep it from being a world power. That they knew how poor the position the south was in makes me belive that they didn't want to piss off the states if they supported the south and the south lost anyway.

The civil war was about slavery. that the Souths economy was dependent on slavery and had been dependent on slavery from the birth of the union. That they didn't like that the north was now able to ignore the souths wish's with the immigration from European nations is only tangential to that they didn't have the power anymore to keep slavery. The states rights argument was only to serve their ability and argument to keep slaves. The civil war was about slavery. It was going to happen from the start of the nation and everyone knew it was coming.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1924 Posts
July 20 2017 15:45 GMT
#162799
SO, regarding the HBO show, Weiß and Benioff haveshown that they have good taste in literature but terrible writing abilities. I don't thik anything of substance will come out of them and a topic as sensible as racism is probably way beyond their abilities.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15685 Posts
July 20 2017 15:48 GMT
#162800
On July 21 2017 00:33 Danglars wrote:
https://twitter.com/tomdmeyer/status/888023343764570112

Good news for campus free speech: as opposed to Middlebury, Claremont-McKenna decided on real punishments for the protestors that blocked all public entrances do Heather McDonald's talks and prevented the scheduled dinner.


Great news indeed. These types who try to prevent speeches from taking place are a disgrace.
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