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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
May 15 2017 21:44 GMT
#150641
I swear it's like someone bet Trump that he couldn't get the GOP to impeach him and he's desperately trying to win that bet
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21666 Posts
May 15 2017 21:44 GMT
#150642
On May 16 2017 06:01 micronesia wrote:
So apparently POTUS has been advised not to discuss the possibility of tapes. What is the procedure for verifying if there actually are Oval Office secret recordings or not? I think this is damaging for the administration either way because forcing the administration to answer a yes/no of if tapes exist results in one of two possibilities: 1) admit the tweet was referring to fictitious tapes, or 2) admit the tapes exist which is bad in and off itself. The thing to watch out for, I suppose, is attempts to block efforts to get that question answered.

In an ideal world I assuming it would be a hearing and a high level WH aid (or ideally Trump himself) would be asked under oath if the tapes exist. And if they do they can be requested/demanded.

Sadly with the investigations being as partisan as they are that is unlikely to ever happen.

And no fictitious tapes would not harm the administration. He has already lied a 1000 times. The 'tapes' isn't big enough to change that.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44276 Posts
May 15 2017 21:45 GMT
#150643
On May 16 2017 06:19 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The same meeting US Media wasn't allowed to take part, but Russian media was.



Zero people are shocked that Trump has leaked classified information to the Russians. And as the world burns, a quarter of America will claim "but her e-mails!!!!"
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
May 15 2017 21:52 GMT
#150644
On May 16 2017 06:44 Nevuk wrote:
I swear it's like someone bet Trump that he couldn't get the GOP to impeach him and he's desperately trying to win that bet

He'd probably take it as a challenge. Anyone who challenges his authority has to be proven wrong.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 15 2017 21:55 GMT
#150645
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
May 15 2017 21:55 GMT
#150646
On May 16 2017 06:19 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The same meeting US Media wasn't allowed to take part, but Russian media was.

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/864226663470555137

The news story that this tweet is referencing
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12172 Posts
May 15 2017 21:57 GMT
#150647
On May 16 2017 06:44 Nevuk wrote:
I swear it's like someone bet Trump that he couldn't get the GOP to impeach him and he's desperately trying to win that bet


This is actually giving him too much credit, this assumes that he can produce a coherent direction for his actions.
No will to live, no wish to die
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 15 2017 22:00 GMT
#150648
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
May 15 2017 22:05 GMT
#150649
On May 16 2017 06:19 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The same meeting US Media wasn't allowed to take part, but Russian media was.

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/864226663470555137


Check the tapes!
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
May 15 2017 22:06 GMT
#150650
“The president and the foreign minister reviewed common threats from terrorist organizations to include threats to aviation,” National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster, who sat in on the meeting, told the Post. “At no time were any intelligence sources or methods discussed and no military operations were disclosed that were not already known publicly.”


Apparently McMaster says nothing happened.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
May 15 2017 22:07 GMT
#150651
On May 16 2017 06:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 06:19 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The same meeting US Media wasn't allowed to take part, but Russian media was.

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/864226663470555137


Zero people are shocked that Trump has leaked classified information to the Russians. And as the world burns, a quarter of America will claim "but her e-mails!!!!"


yeah remember when she killed that guy with her server?
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-15 22:17:13
May 15 2017 22:13 GMT
#150652
Actually the WaPo article suggests that there is recordings of oval office meetings.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Wulfey_LA
Profile Joined April 2017
932 Posts
May 15 2017 22:17 GMT
#150653
On May 16 2017 07:06 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
“The president and the foreign minister reviewed common threats from terrorist organizations to include threats to aviation,” National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster, who sat in on the meeting, told the Post. “At no time were any intelligence sources or methods discussed and no military operations were disclosed that were not already known publicly.”


Apparently McMaster says nothing happened.


Read carefully. WaPo says city targeted was revealed. McMaster does not deny that critical fact. McMaster's statement would include Trump's leaks in "common threats from terrorist organizations to include threats to aviation".
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 15 2017 22:21 GMT
#150654


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
May 15 2017 22:24 GMT
#150655
On May 16 2017 06:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 04:13 xDaunt wrote:
On May 16 2017 04:00 Danglars wrote:
On May 16 2017 02:27 Velr wrote:
If you voted trump and still would, yes, your the very definition of stupid partisanship.

I can get behind plenty of conservative (not religious conservative) positions because i deal with hardcore conservatives everyday (which tend to be a bit more religious here too).
I don't agree with them but i see where they are comming from and thanks to my job i see the stupidity of the left daily.

The thing is: If you now still stand behind trump, you better get paid by him or your just dillusional and want your country to go down.

Ffs "not voting for someone like trump" is actually the best argument "the establishment" had against the hard right since... i don't know, i'm 34 and don't remember such a shitshow in any modern/firstworld country.
Berlusconi looked better than Trump when he was at his worst.

Which is why I have to keep bringing it up. Because people don't believe there were actually two choices at play, and there's compelling arguments for repeating that vote for Trump. Oh, and by the way, this continually blasting of Trump's mistakes while recognizing none of the background arguments is called nonpartisanship or something by the left and it's frankly drop-dead hilarious. "He's objectively ..." mmhmm I'll listen in when hardcore alt-Left and regressive-Left persons make conservative positions not look unideological. You'll have to take off the horse blinders while staring gape-mouthed at Trump for maybe a couple weeks to notice the media, DNC, and leftist cultural warriors are all complicit.

Now let's all repeat together that Trump is awful and all his supporters are "delusional and want your country to go down." Because that's how you show you're above "the very definition of stupid partisanship."

Jesus Christ, this x1000. Given my stated positions and policy preferences, who the fuck am I supposed to vote for if not Trump? Sure as shit won't be a Democrat for obvious reasons. And which Republican should I be voting for? Most of them sucked donkey ass last time around, and I'm not holding out hope that the next crop will be much better if Trump fails.


Literally every other Republican candidate (besides Carson when he was sleepwalking) could speak in complete sentences, which is a low threshold for the President of the United States but at least disqualifies Donald Trump.

I don't understand why you're so closed-minded when it comes to politics. Why is "being a Democrat" automatic disqualification, in your opinion?


I'm not close minded to anything. My political values distinctly align with the political Right. When the democrats start pushing a Right-leaning agenda, then I'll consider voting for them.
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium4763 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-15 22:26:28
May 15 2017 22:25 GMT
#150656
I will ask again, what are those values, xDaunt? And whyhow do you see the potential in Donald Trump to be a great president?
Taxes are for Terrans
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
May 15 2017 22:29 GMT
#150657
Hey guys, remember the stories about US's allies feeling anxious about sharing intelligence information because they thought it might go back to the Russians? How remarkably clairvoyant.
By alienating the foreign intelligence community he's jeopardizing the US's national security against terrorist threats.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44276 Posts
May 15 2017 22:35 GMT
#150658
On May 16 2017 07:24 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 06:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 16 2017 04:13 xDaunt wrote:
On May 16 2017 04:00 Danglars wrote:
On May 16 2017 02:27 Velr wrote:
If you voted trump and still would, yes, your the very definition of stupid partisanship.

I can get behind plenty of conservative (not religious conservative) positions because i deal with hardcore conservatives everyday (which tend to be a bit more religious here too).
I don't agree with them but i see where they are comming from and thanks to my job i see the stupidity of the left daily.

The thing is: If you now still stand behind trump, you better get paid by him or your just dillusional and want your country to go down.

Ffs "not voting for someone like trump" is actually the best argument "the establishment" had against the hard right since... i don't know, i'm 34 and don't remember such a shitshow in any modern/firstworld country.
Berlusconi looked better than Trump when he was at his worst.

Which is why I have to keep bringing it up. Because people don't believe there were actually two choices at play, and there's compelling arguments for repeating that vote for Trump. Oh, and by the way, this continually blasting of Trump's mistakes while recognizing none of the background arguments is called nonpartisanship or something by the left and it's frankly drop-dead hilarious. "He's objectively ..." mmhmm I'll listen in when hardcore alt-Left and regressive-Left persons make conservative positions not look unideological. You'll have to take off the horse blinders while staring gape-mouthed at Trump for maybe a couple weeks to notice the media, DNC, and leftist cultural warriors are all complicit.

Now let's all repeat together that Trump is awful and all his supporters are "delusional and want your country to go down." Because that's how you show you're above "the very definition of stupid partisanship."

Jesus Christ, this x1000. Given my stated positions and policy preferences, who the fuck am I supposed to vote for if not Trump? Sure as shit won't be a Democrat for obvious reasons. And which Republican should I be voting for? Most of them sucked donkey ass last time around, and I'm not holding out hope that the next crop will be much better if Trump fails.


Literally every other Republican candidate (besides Carson when he was sleepwalking) could speak in complete sentences, which is a low threshold for the President of the United States but at least disqualifies Donald Trump.

I don't understand why you're so closed-minded when it comes to politics. Why is "being a Democrat" automatic disqualification, in your opinion?


I'm not close minded to anything. My political values distinctly align with the political Right. When the democrats start pushing a Right-leaning agenda, then I'll consider voting for them.


So your values "distinctly align" with killing healthcare, killing education, taking from the poor to give to the rich, and suppressing civil rights? Because in 2017, we're way passed saying something as unnuanced as "I'm a Republican because I believe in fiscal responsibility". There is sooo much more to that party, and it's killing our country.

Like, excuse us Republicans, we're trying to have a society over here...
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-15 22:37:39
May 15 2017 22:37 GMT
#150659


I can't remember, didn't the Republicans think leaking classified information was a big deal before?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44276 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-15 22:38:26
May 15 2017 22:37 GMT
#150660
On May 16 2017 07:07 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2017 06:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 16 2017 06:19 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The same meeting US Media wasn't allowed to take part, but Russian media was.

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/864226663470555137


Zero people are shocked that Trump has leaked classified information to the Russians. And as the world burns, a quarter of America will claim "but her e-mails!!!!"


yeah remember when she killed that guy with her server?


Totally! And I remember this too...

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"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
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