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On February 24 2017 03:50 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2017 03:43 ChristianS wrote:On February 24 2017 02:35 LegalLord wrote:
Mind you, having shitty ties to the former leader of the Ukraine (not exactly pro-Russian, more like "money-grubbing opportunist who makes some deals with Russia and others with Europe") is much different than being directly tied to Russia.
Wouldn't mind some deep, compromising relationships with Russia though. It would make the next four years more spicy. Preferably it will come out a little later though so we can milk leaking for all it's worth. And you wonder why people say you're a troll. Also, weren't the ties to the pro-Russian puppet government in Ukraine? So how is that "not exactly pro-Russian"? I don't get it. He states the answer to your question directly in his first sentence. what does the Ukranine make him a troll?
You have to follow LL output beyond this thread. He constantly used italics to emphasize “the” Ukraine, like it is a region, rather than a nation. Kwark has called him out on this a bunch of times in other threads but he keeps doing it.
LL is a pro pro Putin troll that loves to attack political figures that don’t support the Russian expansion of political power. He also likes pushing for nationalist policies, because that means less international involvement by those nations. Less international involvement, more room for Putin. His output in all political threads that similar theme.
At this point people have just gotten fed up with giving him the benefit of the doubt. His trollish nature had finally irritated enough people.
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On February 24 2017 03:58 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2017 03:50 Sermokala wrote:On February 24 2017 03:43 ChristianS wrote:On February 24 2017 02:35 LegalLord wrote:
Mind you, having shitty ties to the former leader of the Ukraine (not exactly pro-Russian, more like "money-grubbing opportunist who makes some deals with Russia and others with Europe") is much different than being directly tied to Russia.
Wouldn't mind some deep, compromising relationships with Russia though. It would make the next four years more spicy. Preferably it will come out a little later though so we can milk leaking for all it's worth. And you wonder why people say you're a troll. Also, weren't the ties to the pro-Russian puppet government in Ukraine? So how is that "not exactly pro-Russian"? I don't get it. He states the answer to your question directly in his first sentence. what does the Ukranine make him a troll? You have to follow LL output beyond this thread. He constantly used italics to emphasize “the” Ukraine, like it is a region, rather than a nation. Kwark has called him out on this a bunch of times in other threads but he keeps doing it. LL is a pro pro Putin troll that loves to attack political figures that don’t support the Russian expansion of political power. He also likes pushing for nationalist policies, because that means less international involvement by those nations. Less international involvement, more room for Putin. His output in all political threads that similar theme. At this point people have just gotten fed up with giving him the benefit of the doubt. His trollish nature had finally irritated enough people.
Some nations are refered to as "the" in front of their name like the gambia. Ukraine has been refereed to as a region much more then it ever has been a nation. I don't see what the problem is past as useual its something people don't agree with.
Also I disagree with everything you say about LL. He seems pretty reasonable to me and just doesn't have the usual anti russia paranoia that comes with most Americans.
You should be one of the last person to stop giving people the benefit of the doubt because of trolling. Half of what you post is snark and thinly veiled contempt for people you don't agree with.
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On February 24 2017 04:05 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2017 03:58 Plansix wrote:On February 24 2017 03:50 Sermokala wrote:On February 24 2017 03:43 ChristianS wrote:On February 24 2017 02:35 LegalLord wrote:
Mind you, having shitty ties to the former leader of the Ukraine (not exactly pro-Russian, more like "money-grubbing opportunist who makes some deals with Russia and others with Europe") is much different than being directly tied to Russia.
Wouldn't mind some deep, compromising relationships with Russia though. It would make the next four years more spicy. Preferably it will come out a little later though so we can milk leaking for all it's worth. And you wonder why people say you're a troll. Also, weren't the ties to the pro-Russian puppet government in Ukraine? So how is that "not exactly pro-Russian"? I don't get it. He states the answer to your question directly in his first sentence. what does the Ukranine make him a troll? You have to follow LL output beyond this thread. He constantly used italics to emphasize “the” Ukraine, like it is a region, rather than a nation. Kwark has called him out on this a bunch of times in other threads but he keeps doing it. LL is a pro pro Putin troll that loves to attack political figures that don’t support the Russian expansion of political power. He also likes pushing for nationalist policies, because that means less international involvement by those nations. Less international involvement, more room for Putin. His output in all political threads that similar theme. At this point people have just gotten fed up with giving him the benefit of the doubt. His trollish nature had finally irritated enough people. Some nations are refered to as "the" in front of their name like the gambia. Ukraine has been refereed to as a region much more then it ever has been a nation. I don't see what the problem is past as useual its something people don't agree with. Also I disagree with everything you say about LL. He seems pretty reasonable to me and just doesn't have the usual anti russia paranoia that comes with most Americans. You should be one of the last person to stop giving people the benefit of the doubt because of trolling. Half of what you post is snark and thinly veiled contempt for people you don't agree with.
Damn, I was really trying to lose the thinly veiled part. I will work hard to be clearer about my contempt.
But this is not the first time LL had been put on blast for his posting habits by people other than myself. It won’t be the last. You asked why, I told you. You are entitled your opinion.
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consistently italicizing 'the' is so obviously troll bait that defending it otherwise, in my very personal opinion, delegitimizes the entire defense. where i think otherwise i would agree on the whole, it's so off putting.
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http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/101123/nazi-collaborators-or-victims
I link this once more. There are certain acts of nationalistic stupidity that are not worth respecting. I feel the same way about anyone who would flip out about me using Bombay, Peking, Leningrad, etc., as a response to the relevant city in question. If the name changed, that's fine, it happens - but if you make a big deal out of how important that name change is to your precious national identity then I don't have any respect for that.
Next you can complain about "Buttkeg" or "John Rambo McCain" being unfair or insulting.
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On February 24 2017 04:11 brian wrote:
consistently italicizing 'the' is so obviously troll bait that defending it otherwise, in my very personal opinion, delegitimizes the entire defense. where i think otherwise i would agree on the whole, it's so off putting.
It is pretty silly I agree I think I was giving LL too much credit on that.
On February 24 2017 04:13 LegalLord wrote:http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/101123/nazi-collaborators-or-victimsI link this once more. There are certain acts of nationalistic stupidity that are not worth respecting. I feel the same way about anyone who would flip out about me using Bombay, Peking, Leningrad, etc., as a response to the relevant city in question. If the name changed, that's fine, it happens - but if you make a big deal out of how important that name change is to your precious national identity then I don't have any respect for that.
Theres a degree of the polish being right that they didn't build or staff the facility while it was also during at time of military occupation for the nation. Ukraine deserves the right to be called what it wish's as much as Thailand deserves not to be called burma. I'm more surprised that the Ukrainian people didn't want to change the name of Sevastopol to something more Ukrainian after the fall of the union.
Stalingrad is a better example for what you're argueing for.
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On February 24 2017 04:13 LegalLord wrote:http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/101123/nazi-collaborators-or-victimsI link this once more. There are certain acts of nationalistic stupidity that are not worth respecting. I feel the same way about anyone who would flip out about me using Bombay, Peking, Leningrad, etc., as a response to the relevant city in question. If the name changed, that's fine, it happens - but if you make a big deal out of how important that name change is to your precious national identity then I don't have any respect for that. Next you can complain about "Buttkeg" or "John Rambo McCain" being unfair or insulting.
To continue to call it "the Ukraine" is a reasonable way to bear iut your opinion that criticizing that way of referring to it is dumb (although I would still argue that if you don't care which is used, and others do, it would be courteous to defer).
To italicize "the" every time is just going out of your way to annoy people.
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On February 24 2017 03:58 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2017 03:50 Sermokala wrote:On February 24 2017 03:43 ChristianS wrote:On February 24 2017 02:35 LegalLord wrote:
Mind you, having shitty ties to the former leader of the Ukraine (not exactly pro-Russian, more like "money-grubbing opportunist who makes some deals with Russia and others with Europe") is much different than being directly tied to Russia.
Wouldn't mind some deep, compromising relationships with Russia though. It would make the next four years more spicy. Preferably it will come out a little later though so we can milk leaking for all it's worth. And you wonder why people say you're a troll. Also, weren't the ties to the pro-Russian puppet government in Ukraine? So how is that "not exactly pro-Russian"? I don't get it. He states the answer to your question directly in his first sentence. what does the Ukranine make him a troll? You have to follow LL output beyond this thread. He constantly used italics to emphasize “the” Ukraine, like it is a region, rather than a nation. Kwark has called him out on this a bunch of times in other threads but he keeps doing it. LL is a pro pro Putin troll that loves to attack political figures that don’t support the Russian expansion of political power. He also likes pushing for nationalist policies, because that means less international involvement by those nations. Less international involvement, more room for Putin. His output in all political threads that similar theme. At this point people have just gotten fed up with giving him the benefit of the doubt. His trollish nature had finally irritated enough people.
I see the Cold Warrior in you came out in full force in the weeks and months since November 8, 2016.
I do understand the tendency to blame Russia for all the problems - I really do. It's much easier to simply conclude that a foreign devil is responsible for all your problems (e.g. president Orange Meme) than to have some introspection. But it also means that the other side will not play nice with you.
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On February 24 2017 04:32 ChristianS wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2017 04:13 LegalLord wrote:http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/101123/nazi-collaborators-or-victimsI link this once more. There are certain acts of nationalistic stupidity that are not worth respecting. I feel the same way about anyone who would flip out about me using Bombay, Peking, Leningrad, etc., as a response to the relevant city in question. If the name changed, that's fine, it happens - but if you make a big deal out of how important that name change is to your precious national identity then I don't have any respect for that. Next you can complain about "Buttkeg" or "John Rambo McCain" being unfair or insulting. To continue to call it "the Ukraine" is a reasonable way to bear iut your opinion that criticizing that way of referring to it is dumb (although I would still argue that if you don't care which is used, and others do, it would be courteous to defer). To italicize "the" every time is just going out of your way to annoy people.
Mind you, I do not force you to care. If you wish to refer to St. Petersburg as Leningrad or Russia as the USSR, I won't complain about it. The fact that what should be a trivial mockery (anyone who has any relevance in the world should be free to be mocked, within reasonable "hate speech" bounds like racism) draws so much attention underlies a stupidity that needs to be addressed. Hence, the.
I mock plenty of others - that's just the one that draws the most attention for reasons that are obvious but not respectable.
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Bannon making a fool of himself at CPAC.
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On February 24 2017 04:38 Doodsmack wrote:
Bannon making a fool of himself at CPAC.
What did he do this time?
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On February 24 2017 04:33 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2017 03:58 Plansix wrote:On February 24 2017 03:50 Sermokala wrote:On February 24 2017 03:43 ChristianS wrote:On February 24 2017 02:35 LegalLord wrote:
Mind you, having shitty ties to the former leader of the Ukraine (not exactly pro-Russian, more like "money-grubbing opportunist who makes some deals with Russia and others with Europe") is much different than being directly tied to Russia.
Wouldn't mind some deep, compromising relationships with Russia though. It would make the next four years more spicy. Preferably it will come out a little later though so we can milk leaking for all it's worth. And you wonder why people say you're a troll. Also, weren't the ties to the pro-Russian puppet government in Ukraine? So how is that "not exactly pro-Russian"? I don't get it. He states the answer to your question directly in his first sentence. what does the Ukranine make him a troll? You have to follow LL output beyond this thread. He constantly used italics to emphasize “the” Ukraine, like it is a region, rather than a nation. Kwark has called him out on this a bunch of times in other threads but he keeps doing it. LL is a pro pro Putin troll that loves to attack political figures that don’t support the Russian expansion of political power. He also likes pushing for nationalist policies, because that means less international involvement by those nations. Less international involvement, more room for Putin. His output in all political threads that similar theme. At this point people have just gotten fed up with giving him the benefit of the doubt. His trollish nature had finally irritated enough people. I see the Cold Warrior in you came out in full force in the weeks and months since November 8, 2016. I do understand the tendency to blame Russia for all the problems - I really do. It's much easier to simply conclude that a foreign devil is responsible for all your problems (e.g. president Orange Meme) than to have some introspection. But it also means that the other side will not play nice with you.
I’m not naïve enough to think that an autocrat like Putin means anything good for me or to ignore the endless smoke pouring from the Trump camp. This much smoke means there is fire. How much fire, that has yet to be seen.
And I can do many things at once. I can be critical of the DNC and the loss while also looking at the group of buffoons in the White House and their praise for an autocrat. I can do both.
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When you conclude "Russia/Putin is the ultimate evil" as your starting point and work from there... well that's precisely where the problem starts. There is nothing that can be done to convince such a devout Cold Warrior otherwise. Though to be fair you would be far from alone.
But don't complain when the foreign devil abuses the weakness in your system to get a clown elected. You made them your enemy after all.
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On February 24 2017 04:39 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2017 04:38 Doodsmack wrote:
Bannon making a fool of himself at CPAC. What did he do this time?
He's holding a joint appearance with Priebus. Nothing particularly unusual for him, claiming the opposition party is always wrong and that the media is lying about the administration.
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On February 24 2017 04:51 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2017 04:39 LegalLord wrote:On February 24 2017 04:38 Doodsmack wrote:
Bannon making a fool of himself at CPAC. What did he do this time? He's holding a joint appearance with Priebus. Nothing particularly unusual for him, claiming the opposition party is always wrong and that the media is lying about the administration.
And said Anderson Cooper should teabag this.
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On February 24 2017 04:17 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2017 04:13 LegalLord wrote:http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/101123/nazi-collaborators-or-victimsI link this once more. There are certain acts of nationalistic stupidity that are not worth respecting. I feel the same way about anyone who would flip out about me using Bombay, Peking, Leningrad, etc., as a response to the relevant city in question. If the name changed, that's fine, it happens - but if you make a big deal out of how important that name change is to your precious national identity then I don't have any respect for that. Theres a degree of the polish being right that they didn't build or staff the facility while it was also during at time of military occupation for the nation. Ukraine deserves the right to be called what it wish's as much as Thailand deserves not to be called burma. I'm more surprised that the Ukrainian people didn't want to change the name of Sevastopol to something more Ukrainian after the fall of the union. Stalingrad is a better example for what you're argueing for.
They may be right that they weren't willing collaborators with the Nazis. I give the Polish that; in that sense they acted admirably. But if the phrase "Polish death camps" said in an obviously sympathetic context makes you cry... well then I can't respect that. It's just nationalist drivel, nothing more.
Call Volgograd by its Soviet name if you wish - I wouldn't be offended. Though props if you find a way to make it relevant in this discussion.
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On February 24 2017 04:48 LegalLord wrote:
When you conclude "Russia/Putin is the ultimate evil" as your starting point and work from there... well that's precisely where the problem starts. There is nothing that can be done to convince such a devout Cold Warrior otherwise. Though to be fair you would be far from alone.
But don't complain when the foreign devil abuses the weakness in your system to get a clown elected. You made them your enemy after all.
When did I say they were the ultimate evil? I simply assume that they do not have my best interest in mind. I feel the same way about Bank of America. Don’t confuse distrust with thinking they are the devil.
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On February 24 2017 05:02 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2017 04:48 LegalLord wrote:
When you conclude "Russia/Putin is the ultimate evil" as your starting point and work from there... well that's precisely where the problem starts. There is nothing that can be done to convince such a devout Cold Warrior otherwise. Though to be fair you would be far from alone.
But don't complain when the foreign devil abuses the weakness in your system to get a clown elected. You made them your enemy after all. When did I say they were the ultimate evil? I simply assume that they do not have my best interest in mind. I feel the same way about Bank of America. Don’t confuse distrust with thinking they are the devil.
No shit. Every nation has its own interests in mind first and foremost. Except America, but Trump is going to change that.
Your unsubstantiated assertions about what kind of country Russia is do, in fact, suggest a certain view of Russia as a sort of ultimate evil. But I find that it's hopeless trying to convince people who have that deeply ingrained a dislike for Russia to think otherwise.
If it makes you feel any better, the US and Russia are all but assured to continue to be enemies, Trump aside. No guarantees on US credibility though. The clown-in-chief is more pro-chaos than pro-Russian.
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On February 24 2017 05:10 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2017 05:02 Plansix wrote:On February 24 2017 04:48 LegalLord wrote:
When you conclude "Russia/Putin is the ultimate evil" as your starting point and work from there... well that's precisely where the problem starts. There is nothing that can be done to convince such a devout Cold Warrior otherwise. Though to be fair you would be far from alone.
But don't complain when the foreign devil abuses the weakness in your system to get a clown elected. You made them your enemy after all. When did I say they were the ultimate evil? I simply assume that they do not have my best interest in mind. I feel the same way about Bank of America. Don’t confuse distrust with thinking they are the devil. No shit. Every nation has its own interests in mind first and foremost. Your unsubstantiated assertions about what kind of country Russia is do, in fact, suggest a certain view of Russia as a sort of ultimate evil. But I find that it's hopeless trying to convince people who have that deeply ingrained a dislike for Russia to think otherwise. If it makes you feel any better, the US and Russia are all but assured to continue to be enemies, Trump aside. No guarantees on US credibility though.
Well I guess Russia is equal to France, Canada and England in how they address world politics, since they are all in it for their own ends. I’m sure we will hear about Canada hacking the French elections any day now.
The problem you are having is I wasn’t born yesterday. I remember when US Russian relations were improving and the wall fell. I remember when travel restrictions were lifted and my class mates were able to go there on a crazy field trip. You know, pre-Putin.
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