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LegalLord
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Mohdoo
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Am I the only one who sees kids as off limits? How in the world does someone feel comfortable poking fun at a kid? edit for clarification: I am saying that I have seen this elsewhere and I am asking what people on TL think about the practice. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21364 Posts
On January 29 2017 01:01 Mohdoo wrote: People of TL: I know that we tend to appreciate memes from our own side more than the other side, even if they are somewhat overly partisan. But I am finding myself in total exception when it comes to Baron Trump. I've seen a couple people making fun of Baron and posting memes comparing him to Shinji from Evangelion. I really just think its straight up distasteful and utterly wrong. Under no circumstances should a 10 year old kid be an internet joke. How in the world do people feel comfortable poking fun at a kid just because his father is Trump? Some people get so absorbed in their own partisan shit that they are losing their sense of decency. Its sad. Am I the only one who sees kids as off limits? How in the world does someone feel comfortable poking fun at a kid? Yeah I'm confused. Why exactly are you making this plea here when no one here has attacked or meme'd any part of Trumps family. | ||
Mohdoo
United States15398 Posts
On January 29 2017 01:05 Liquid`Jinro wrote: I dont think I've seen anyone do that in this thread at least? On January 29 2017 01:08 Gorsameth wrote: Yeah I'm confused. Why exactly are you making this plea here when no one here has attacked or meme'd any part of Trumps family. Sorry it is early in the morning and I should have specified I meant seeing this OTHER places, such as this: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/23/arts/television/katie-rich-snl-suspended-barron-trump-tweet.html I've seen a couple memes on Facebook. I'll edit my post to more accurately reflect what I'm saying. I am more so asking people on TL's opinion on what they think about the practice as a whole. Not because TL has been doing it, but because I value your opinions. | ||
Gorsameth
Netherlands21364 Posts
On January 29 2017 01:09 Mohdoo wrote: Sorry it is early in the morning and I should have specified I meant seeing this OTHER places, such as this: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/23/arts/television/katie-rich-snl-suspended-barron-trump-tweet.html I've seen a couple memes on Facebook. I'll edit my post to more accurately reflect what I'm saying. I am more so asking people on TL's opinion on what they think about the practice as a whole. Not because TL has been doing it, but because I value your opinions. Unless relatives directly involve themselves in the conversation I consider them off-limits. | ||
LegalLord
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Nevuk
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Doodsmack
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[T]here’s precious little evidence that immigrants and refugees actually pose a serious terrorist risk to the United States. A recent report, from Cato Institute analyst Alex Nowrasteh, is one of the most sophisticated attempts to investigate this question. What it found was striking: The risk of terrorism from immigrants is astonishingly tiny. Cato is a libertarian think tank that has a noticeably pro-migration stance. But Nowrasteh’s research is on really solid ground: He combed through data on terrorism and immigration from nine different sources, covering 1975 through 2015. He counted any attack on US soil in which an immigrant participated as a terrorist attack by immigrants, even if some native-born Americans also helped in its planning or execution. ... I’ve produced the following chart, which compares the average annual likelihood of American pedestrians being hit by a railway vehicle, dying due to their own clothes melting or lighting on fire, and being killed in a terrorist attack perpetrated by an immigrant. It’s quite revealing. ... “Of the 3,252,493 refugees admitted from 1975 to the end of 2015, 20 were terrorists, which amounted to 0.00062 percent of the total,” Nowrasteh writes. “Of the 20, only three were successful in their attacks, killing a total of three people.” ... “Only 10 [unauthorized] immigrants became terrorists, a minuscule 0.000038 percent of the 26.5 million who entered from 1975 through 2015,” he writes. “Only one of those [unauthorized] immigrants, Ahmed Ajaj, actually succeeded in killing an American.” Vox | ||
LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
A coalition of activists called #NotOneInch are planning a poignant and unique form of protest today: delivering a number of “back-up spines” to Democratic Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer’s apartment in Brooklyn, New York. The protestors are organizing in response to Schumer’s vote to approve three of President Donald Trump’s cabinet members: Mike Pompeo, James Mattis and Mike Flynn. The “spines” will include cardboard signs, cut-outs and plastic skeleton spines ― a tongue-in-cheek dig at what they perceive to be cowardly moves by Schumer. “When will spineless Democrats get it through their heads that we demand ZERO COLLABORATION with the Trump/extreme GOP agenda? ZERO,” Tim Murphy, co-founder of #NotOneInch and active member of Gays Against Guns (GAG), told The Huffington Post. “It is infuriating that Schumer thinks just because he’s sitting pretty in his Senate seat for six more years, he can afford to vote yes on SOME of these terrifying cabinet picks to preserve some dealmaking leverage with Republicans. NO.” Source I guess the real problem Democrats had with Republican obstructionism under Obama wasn't that it was paralyzing government progress, but merely that they were losing out from that arrangement. | ||
zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On January 29 2017 02:01 LegalLord wrote: Source I guess the real problem Democrats had with Republican obstructionism under Obama wasn't that it was paralyzing government progress, but merely that they were losing out from that arrangement. don't blame all democrats with it when this is just some activists doing stuff. conclusion the writer of the article you cited is an idiot. because: it says: "The protestors are organizing in response to Schumer’s vote to approve three of President Donald Trump’s cabinet members: Mike Pompeo, James Mattis and Mike Flynn." mike flynn's position is national security advisor, it's NOT a cabinet position, AND it's NOT subject to senate confirmation. PS unless I missed something ofc, doing this in the background so not doublechecking. | ||
Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-greencard-idUSKBN15C0KX | ||
Mohdoo
United States15398 Posts
On January 29 2017 02:14 Nyxisto wrote: Apparently also Green card holders, and people who have worked for the US are being stopped from entering the US now because of his executive order? I thought that "Trump loves legal immigrants"? I don't think he realized immigrants can be legal while still also being brown. | ||
farvacola
United States18818 Posts
On January 29 2017 02:14 Nyxisto wrote: That's correct, reports are that the first individuals turned away were Iraqi soldiers who had been granted a visa for assisting US troops. Apparently also Green card holders, and people who have worked for the US are being stopped from entering the US now because of his executive order? I thought that "Trump loves legal immigrants"? | ||
Doodsmack
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On January 29 2017 02:18 Doodsmack wrote: It's a giant failure of execution, considering also that Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are not included. Since when would Trump not stand up to an ally sponsoring terrorism? Very anti-populist. What's true is true; someone does need to knock SA and Pakistan down a few pegs. | ||
ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
On January 28 2017 18:52 xM(Z wrote: that article is at best informative(as to the level of complexity in trying to measure poverty) and what you quoted there is just a lazy positive statement. once you start reading the article and realize the amount of adjustments made over time and the assumption based numbers when talking about the past, you put the article in the establishment is trying to feed me bullshit pile and go on with your day. I don't know what you mean by the amount of adjustments? Adjusting for inflation by using real numbers is literally the most standard and mandatory adjustment there is and no historical data makes any sense without it. Purchasing power parity is also widely used in economics, and is the best we can do in comparing consumption across countries. None of these are some sort of weird or under the table adjustments made up by the people doing the study. They are both used in economics everywhere. Also the most relevant time frame is for 1980 to now, which is where they say the data becomes very good and isn't as subject to being challenging. The very old stuff is interesting, but really isn't the important part here. | ||
Mohdoo
United States15398 Posts
On January 29 2017 02:18 Doodsmack wrote: It's a giant failure of execution, considering also that Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are not included. Since when would Trump not stand up to an ally sponsoring terrorism? Very anti-populist. On the bright side, this is likely an indication as to how this whole thing is going to go on a grand scale. We are already seeing a lot of groups coming together on the left in a similar way that the right united against Obama. Obama was a huge boost to right wing unification and it looks like Trump is doing the same thing to the left. | ||
JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On January 28 2017 17:31 Introvert wrote: Two interesting articles, the first on this 20% tax that's being floated, and how the details of it get lost in the noise. Basically, it's not really a tariff, but the GOP wants Trump to be able to message it as being similar to one. Read the rest at bloomberg Ehhh, seems like it's either a 20% corporate income tax + tariff, or a 0% corporate income tax + 20% consumption tax. But not both, unless someone can show the maths on that. Plus, complicated enough to be called one or the other depending on who you are trying to sell it to. Not sure it really passes either definition, for real. | ||
LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On January 29 2017 02:34 Mohdoo wrote: On the bright side, this is likely an indication as to how this whole thing is going to go on a grand scale. We are already seeing a lot of groups coming together on the left in a similar way that the right united against Obama. Obama was a huge boost to right wing unification and it looks like Trump is doing the same thing to the left. Such a unity is illusory at best. The center-left "Hillary wing" and the left "Bernie wing" are no less at odds with each other than they were before Trump was such a pervasive factor. If they really were ready to unite against Trump then there wouldn't be such a mass defection in the face of the possibility of a Trump presidency, back during election time. | ||
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