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Falling
Canada11350 Posts
On January 18 2017 13:58 Nevuk wrote: If trump somehow gets this GOP to pass single payer health care on accident I'm not sure how I'll feel about him. That's pretty easy- better president than Obama if Trump did nothing else. | ||
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
On January 18 2017 14:08 LemOn wrote: Wouldn't he have to basically nuke his own country? The world has been laughing at US healthcare system for decades , fixing it would be huge  The NHS is in the process of imploding. Please, do tell Brits, how it's done. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
like - jobs for rural areas, and then it has a few lines saying what they're doing, and has links for more info? figuring out how to solve problems is so much more fun than the work of actually getting such things passed into law imho. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On January 18 2017 13:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Paul Ryan invited Donald Trump’s most senior advisers to Capitol Hill a week ago to head off a quiet tug-of-war between congressional Republicans and Trump officials over tax reform. For more than two hours, the speaker laid out his alternative to Trump’s plan to slap tariffs on companies that move jobs overseas, which he believed would encourage companies to stay in the U.S. But not even a week later, Trump dismissed Ryan’s idea, calling it “too complicated.” And now Ryan is left with a potential trillion-dollar hole in his tax plan. . Of all the reasons to dismiss a trillion dollar tax plan months in the making, this is really funny to me. Ryan isn't going to get to pass the tax or healthcare reform that he wants. He's gotta be fuming over having to deal with Trump. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4333 Posts
On January 17 2017 13:53 LegalLord wrote: Say that the trouble of Westerners really is to the benefit of billions of third worlders. Here's a callous question: why should we care about them? Such is the question anyone who sees "our people" and "their people" as a reality would be asking. And nationalism certainly isn't going anywhere. The way i see it when wages in China reach a certain level that work will move to cheaper countries, leaving behind empty factories and Detroit style desolation.The government in China is trying to cover this outflow with exponential debt creation, currency devaluation and literally building cities that noone lives in.America is already doing the first two and has been since at least 1971 (gold window) but with Trump they could do the third option too.Hopefully the infrastructure spending is spent wisely. The only real winners from globalisation are the top 1%.Disparity of wealth in the USA is worse than it was in 1929 and one of the main reasons is globalisation. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4333 Posts
On January 18 2017 14:36 Wegandi wrote: The NHS is in the process of imploding. Please, do tell Brits, how it's done. The first thing i would do is stop all farming subsidies for corn. Princeton did a study that found rats fed HFCS gained significantly more weight than rats fed the same weight in table sugar.They also had higher triglyceride counts. http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S26/91/22K07/ | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On January 18 2017 17:21 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: The way i see it when wages in China reach a certain level that work will move to cheaper countries, leaving behind empty factories and Detroit style desolation.The government in China is trying to cover this outflow with exponential debt creation, currency devaluation and literally building cities that noone lives in.America is already doing the first two and has been since at least 1971 (gold window) but with Trump they could do the third option too.Hopefully the infrastructure spending is spent wisely. The only real winners from globalisation are the top 1%.Disparity of wealth in the USA is worse than it was in 1929 and one of the main reasons is globalisation. Yeah, some industries in China will move on. In fact, some already have. But if you think China could possibly worse off than before embracing globalization you are delusional. China has changed dramatically as a result, it's mind-blowing. For example, the cement production capability of China is now greater than that of the rest of the world combined. In 1970 it made up only 1.5%. And the world's production capability has grown a lot since 1970. That's some concrete wealth that won't just go away. | ||
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OuchyDathurts
United States4588 Posts
On January 18 2017 14:30 Wegandi wrote: Gay people should get back in the closest? Milo? LOL. You know Milo is gay right? People don't like Milo because he's militantly anti-feminist and anti-PC. I actually find it sort of hilarious that the people who like Milo are the ones stereotyped as gay haters. The LBQT uber-alles crowd loathes him, yet he is "one of them" so to speak. It's interesting to me anyways. Edit: Sort of like Camille Paglia. Other feminists can't stand her (she's not man-hating enough), and me, as someone who is not, agrees on many of her points. Go figure. You're aware Milo is a self hating gay right? He believes being gay is inherently worse, he wishes he wasn't gay. Gays can hate gays, blacks can hate blacks, we've been over this a hundred thousand times here. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On January 18 2017 14:30 Wegandi wrote: Gay people should get back in the closest? Milo? LOL. You know Milo is gay right? People don't like Milo because he's militantly anti-feminist and anti-PC. I actually find it sort of hilarious that the people who like Milo are the ones stereotyped as gay haters. The LBQT uber-alles crowd loathes him, yet he is "one of them" so to speak. It's interesting to me anyways. Edit: Sort of like Camille Paglia. Other feminists can't stand her (she's not man-hating enough), and me, as someone who is not, agrees on many of her points. Go figure. The LGBQT crowd and its allies don't like Milo because he exposes the contradictions and insanity of their arguments under the cover of being gay. If we've learned nothing else, it's that the regressive Left is totalitarian and fascist in its desire to control the message and in its intolerance of dissent. Milo's gone off the reservation, and they're throwing a temper tantrum because there's nothing that they can do about it. It's the same deal with the "mediocre negroes" quote from Marc Lamont Hill that I cited a few pages back. The regressive left has this sense of entitlement to being the gatekeepers of all things pertaining to minorities, and anyone who strays off message is treated as a heretic. | ||
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farvacola
United States18827 Posts
The same thing rings true with xDaunt's continued gesticulation towards a black man calling another black man a bad negro, though this phenomenon is already well understood. In any case, I'm glad that Dave Chappelle is coming back | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28669 Posts
On January 18 2017 13:04 LegalLord wrote: Hooray, let's all rally behind China as the new leader of the free world! I'm honestly quite willing to realign. I follow chinese leadership over that of Trump any day of the week. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On January 18 2017 21:29 xDaunt wrote: The LGBQT crowd and its allies don't like Milo because he exposes the contradictions and insanity of their arguments Sorry, but a guy who says "Like all feminists, they can only survive by sucking on the teat of Big Government" seems better at expressing insane arguments than exposing them. I don't get how being an asshole to various groups, rather than learning to stfu when you don't like someone on a superficial level, is a cause worth championing. You seem to be a product of the media you're consuming xDaunt, with all this 'regressive left' talk and trying to conflate the left with fascism. Is it really that hard living in a post-highschool world where it's not socially acceptable to be a dick to people because of someone's gender, philosophy, body shape or orientation? I feel like most of Milo's followers must be just angry white guys who want to express hateful opinions instead of keeping them to themselves. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On January 18 2017 22:29 Scarecrow wrote: Sorry, but a guy who says "Like all feminists, they can only survive by sucking on the teat of Big Government" seems better at expressing insane arguments than exposing them. I don't get how being an asshole to various groups, rather than learning to stfu when you don't like someone on a superficial level, is a cause worth championing. You seem to be a product of the media you're consuming xDaunt, with all this 'regressive left' talk and trying to conflate the left with fascism. Is it really that hard living in a post-highschool world where it's not socially acceptable to be a dick to people because of someone's gender, philosophy, body shape or orientation? I feel like most of Milo's followers must be just angry white guys who want to express hateful opinions instead of keeping them to themselves. You have it backwards. People like me don't wake up in the morning looking for opportunities to be a dick to various minorities. We'd rather just be left alone. However, various elements of the regressive left won't afford us that opportunity. They have an agenda to push. And for as much as I may agree or disagree with various elements of the agenda, what I particularly object to is the manner in which it's pushed. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States1463 Posts
On January 18 2017 22:19 Liquid`Drone wrote: I'm honestly quite willing to realign. I follow chinese leadership over that of Trump any day of the week. I'm economically more left-wing than Bernie Sanders and I'm certainly no fan of Donald Trump, but this kind of sentiment really drives me up the wall. You'd pick brutally repressive authoritarians with the blood of thousands on their hands over a stupid guy that said some mean things. Seriously? | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On January 18 2017 22:35 xDaunt wrote: You have it backwards. People like me don't wake up in the morning looking for opportunities to be a dick to various minorities. We'd rather just be left alone. However, various elements of the regressive left won't afford us that opportunity. They have an agenda to push. And for as much as I may agree or disagree with various elements of the agenda, what I particularly object to is the manner in which it's pushed. Can you give me an example of this agenda being pushed so hard that you aren't given the opportunity to ignore it? | ||
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LightSpectra
United States1463 Posts
On January 18 2017 22:35 xDaunt wrote: You have it backwards. People like me don't wake up in the morning looking for opportunities to be a dick to various minorities. We'd rather just be left alone. However, various elements of the regressive left won't afford us that opportunity. They have an agenda to push. And for as much as I may agree or disagree with various elements of the agenda, what I particularly object to is the manner in which it's pushed. I doubt we see eye-to-eye on many things but I have to agree with you, at least partially. Forcing Christians to make wedding cakes for gay people, and forcing the (Roman Catholic) Little Sisters of the Poor to provide birth control really opened my eyes up to the socially left-wing. They're not at all about tolerance or acceptance. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On January 18 2017 22:38 Scarecrow wrote: Can you give me an example of this agenda being pushed so hard that you aren't given the opportunity to ignore it? LightSpectra provided a good example. Perhaps the best one is BLM, where the argument from the Left is basically "it's okay for black people to riot and break shit because they're not going to be able to get the attention of anyone through peaceful means." That's a pretty fucked message if you ask me. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On January 18 2017 22:29 Scarecrow wrote: Sorry, but a guy who says "Like all feminists, they can only survive by sucking on the teat of Big Government" seems better at expressing insane arguments than exposing them. I don't get how being an asshole to various groups, rather than learning to stfu when you don't like someone on a superficial level, is a cause worth championing. You seem to be a product of the media you're consuming xDaunt, with all this 'regressive left' talk and trying to conflate the left with fascism. Is it really that hard living in a post-highschool world where it's not socially acceptable to be a dick to people because of someone's gender, philosophy, body shape or orientation? I feel like most of Milo's followers must be just angry white guys who want to express hateful opinions instead of keeping them to themselves. I think the left has completely lost all perspective and are just feeding an equally deranged right by picking fights over petty bullshit while acting like said petty bullshit is a travesty on the level of slavery.... I've never watched a Milo video because he seems like a complete clown, but people like him wouldn't have a platform if today's left was a little less insane. Would be so nice if outrage could be reserved for when something is truly fucked up instead of being the default reaction. I would categorize myself as fairly left wing btw... it's kinda frustrating to watch these people shoot themselves in the foot over and over. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28669 Posts
On January 18 2017 22:37 LightSpectra wrote: I'm economically more left-wing than Bernie Sanders and I'm certainly no fan of Donald Trump, but this kind of sentiment really drives me up the wall. You'd pick brutally repressive authoritarians with the blood of thousands on their hands over a stupid guy that said some mean things. Seriously? Trump is not 'a stupid guy who said some mean things'. I don't think he's stupid (ignorant is a different discussion), and I don't care too much about him saying 'mean things' - although I think he has already succeeded in corrupting political discourse in a way that'll be hard to revert. I just don't believe he is remotely competent for the role of president - I genuinely believe that he will do a worse job than what a completely average and random person would do. I'm not gonna defend China too much here, but if you compare China in 1970 with China today, it seems quite evident that politically, they've gotten some things right. I'm even inclined to argue that the type of sudden economic upheaval they've experienced can't happen without breaking some eggs. Even though there are many aspects of Chinese political society that can rightfully be criticized, they've experienced a rapid societal and economic development which to me indicates that their leadership over the past decades has been majorly competent if nothing else. Trump gives me no such confidence. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States1463 Posts
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