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KwarK
United States43219 Posts
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On November 09 2016 17:04 FlaShFTW wrote: someones still upset about trump winning. yea, I am upset because he won by abusing people's ignorance. "Make American great again".... What a load of horse shit. | ||
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
On November 09 2016 17:03 Barrin wrote: This was a theory I subscribed to at first. I guess there's still hope. Bill Maher just joked that Trump didn't want to alienate his voters by admitting that he can read. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On November 09 2016 16:56 Danglars wrote: You have some trouble seeing eye to eye with the counterarguments." Democrats had decades to address repeat offenders and secure the border against the minority of illegal immigrants that commit crimes and use sanctuary cities or the porous border to their advantage. So I can see why you'd call Trump racist because everybody's racist these days (even some of our better conservative posters) and he's insulting towards illegal immigrants when he's supposed to be a detached statistical analyst. He's out there to gain votes, and Democrats were weak on the border for years, so why not highlight the criminality when it's present? Mexico also presumably sends good people, do you agree with Trump on that? Or is the racist trying to hide his colors? I really do think he's the better ally of Israel, I mean especially with what Obama's done with Israel elections (can google it) and empowered regimes hostile to Israel in the middle east (probably not your view, but let's just say Israel is against Iran having nukes and they're ruling party did not support the Iran deal). Pretty pro-Israel in my book. But maybe you can admit people that say he's great on issues held dearly by Jews have a very arguable position. But I should generalize here lest I need to defend every word he's said and I have no intention of doing so. He has deep flaws in areas Clinton has deep flaws in areas he does not. He's said some very bad things about women, and investigators might find he did some really grotesque things too. I don't defend that. Everyone at their dinner tables discusses how poorly we can screen Muslim immigrants from Syria (and the Christian Syrian refugees haven't been even getting the time of day from the Obama administration. They have been very bad on Syrian minorities). Trump went past the logical position criticizing all Muslim immigrants. Luckily, he was a fair cry better than the Clinton position, which is never admitting a problem. So another Trump win. He is unpredictable, Clinton is predictably bad. Trump win. Clinton made this about Trump, not her policies (Every Clinton ad I saw was children looking at television screens of Trump's statements). She could've tried to take it to the policies, but America didn't trust her on her policies, so she didn't ... I mean that foreign policy is a Vietnam-like record. I don't blame her, though I certainly blame her supporters for not seeing the rationale. She made it about Trump, Trump made it about Trump, and sadly Clinton kept popping into the news for all the wrong reasons. I am vastly skeptical of how he will do his job. He wasn't my choice in the primary and I very much wish we had run somebody else against Clinton. Half the time I don't think he'll even get the wall up. I trust Pence much more than Trump. But along the long list of why Trump and Clinton were a choice between the lesser of two evils, I see the majority of heavily disqualifying traits in Clinton's camp. I am deeply opposed to the progressive agenda, and Clinton was an early adopter with Hillarycare when nobody was reasonably talking a government takeover of the healthcare system. But until people start facing reality and meeting Republicans halfway instead of clinging to their uncompromising agenda, we'll have to deliver more electoral defeats to bring them back to the table. I only spout off to remind people that when they accuse Trump voters of being blind to his faults and Clinton's advantages, half the country believes them blind to Clinton's faults and Trump's advantages. Make America Great Again won't happen, but it will certainly emerge greater under Trump then Clinton ... in the negatives but by lesser margins. Brutal. I did not vote for Clinton in the primary and I'm sorry, but when you said, "we need to meet Republicans halfway, " I'm sorry I laughed and laughed and laughed. Because Republicans did not ever, ever meet President Obama halfway and deligitimized him his entire Presidency. Imagine if a Supreme Court Justice died during the last year of the Bush Presidency and the Democrats refused to hold hearings or a vote, a vote they would lose till the next election, you would rightfully be furious. If you can't see that as Republicans not meeting Democrats halfway and doing everything you accuse the Democrats of, "an uncompromising agenda" you are blinding yourself. " The misdeeds of illegal aliens released from custody, not stopped, deported then immigrated back into the country to commit crime again ... these are real cases and they're totally ignored." show me the facts. Show me reputable studies and news articles. Show me something based on science, on logic, on reason, that isn't pulled up from the dregs of the internet. To pull actual facts into this argument, "The Center for Immigration Studies, which opposes any kind of plan to grant legal status to undocumented immigrants and regularly testifies in Congress against them." said this "There's no evidence that immigrants are either more or less likely to commit crimes than anyone else in the population," Janice Kephart, a CIS researcher, said last week on the PBS NewsHour." | ||
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Scrubwave
Poland1786 Posts
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
Even his victory speech is retarded. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4782 Posts
On November 09 2016 17:06 plasmidghost wrote: I'm sad Trump didn't decide to play "The Wall" by Pink Floyd Roger Waters would've sued him into oblivion | ||
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
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Racket
3023 Posts
On November 09 2016 17:02 wuhan_clan wrote: Good that you brought up the Supreme Court because I'd rather see conservative judges. Oh and if you are going to bring up global warming, I hope you know that the REAL fight against global warming is actually against the meat industry. Little known fact is that cattle raising is BY FAR the number one source of green house gases. Combine that with deforestation for land to raise cattle, it's easily the number one cause. I couldn't give a shit about global warming anymore because no one is allowed to address half the problem so the problem can't get solved anyway. FYI, it's a little known fact that there are laws in the US where you can't publicly criticize the meat industry. Even Oprah got fucked by this law before. Ermm yea.. no. The biggest contributors to global warming are volcanoes, and given it is a natural process, all this global warming stuff is a lie built on ignorance and lies to take advantage of ignorants and conservative scientists. | ||
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wuhan_clan
United States5609 Posts
On November 09 2016 17:05 ShoCkeyy wrote: yea, I am upset because he won by abusing people's ignorance. "Make American great again".... What a load of horse shit. Your point? Anyone who has won any major seat in any democracy has gotten there doing the same thing. I don't think it's possible to be elected to any public office without doing it. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
Sure there were racist lines, there was sexism and there was other horrible shit. But it seems to me like it was far overblown in the media compared to what he actually spent time talking about while on the campaign trail. They would show different clips of him saying one line over and over again at every rally. One line out of what would have been undoubtedly an hour or whatever of him talking. Besides that, and you can argue the accuracy of the perception, but in the public's eye Trump was the non-establishment candidate, and the democrats wanted one as well. The DNC needed Bernie, but the superdelegates were bought out by Clinton supporters. The DNC needs to re-evaluate itself, maybe scratch the superdelegates altogether and allow a popular front person instead of the one "whose turn it is". | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
Pennsylvania was a dream, and holy hell, it still feels like a dream. Wisconsin and Michigan and you were in a coma hallucinating. But really, you oversold Obamacare, foreign policy by experts, the malign effects of racism sexism and transphobia, and a dozen other issues. I'm frankly very satisfied knowing you'll blame the voting population for being too dumb to be trusted to vote in the country's best interest (the more radical ones will say in their own self interest). It might get us another reorienting election. | ||
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wuhan_clan
United States5609 Posts
On November 09 2016 17:07 Racket wrote: Ermm yea.. no. The biggest contributors to global warming are volcanoes, and given it is a natural process, all this global warming stuff is a lie built on ignorance and lies to take advantage of ignorants and conservative scientists. I am limiting to man-created sources because that is the premise of the global warming issue, that it's a direct result of human activity. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On November 09 2016 17:06 Scrubwave wrote: Yes, they ignorant, you smart. That's how it always goes, isn't it? Not saying I'm smart, but definitely the people I know voting for Trump are obviously lesser educated suburban people who don't research. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18115 Posts
On November 09 2016 17:07 Ghostcom wrote: Roger Waters would've sued him into oblivion Instead Mick Jagger is going to sure him into oblivion? Or is he gambling on the Stones being too drugged out to care? | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
Capital markets are falling, tech giants stocks are plummeting, Dow futures heading into abyss. Now you can learn an extra thing how finance are really working. Hint: taxes is a small thing. Hint 2: your employers are actually going to pay even more fucking taxes. | ||
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las91
United States5080 Posts
On November 09 2016 17:09 ShoCkeyy wrote: Not saying I'm smart, but definitely the people I know voting for Trump are obviously lesser educated suburban people who don't research. They're lesser educated rural people. Even my home county was blue this election. | ||
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