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Look I'm glad Trump won. I even voted for him. But I'll be the first to admit he''ll likely be a disaster. I just knew that Hillary was going to seal the fate of the country long term because of her corrupt ties. We'll laugh at Trump for 4 years and then a legit candidate (and I don't mean a socialist) can take the seat.
But the people who are acting like their lives are over is just unreal. For fucks sake it's not that bad.
On November 09 2016 15:57 opisska wrote: Naively taken, for me as an outsider, this result is absolutely absurd. The whole "two bad options" melodrama has been completely fabricated - maybe Hillary wasn't the most loveable candidate, but in any normal place or time, her "terrible flaws" would have been seen as normal features of a career politician. Yet, millions of people got somehow convinced that she is the same "evil" as a guy who boasts about touching women, spits hate about anyone he feels like the given week and generally doesn't seem to be able to run a bicycle, not to mention a country. This is just some enormous feat of marketing, it will be studied for centuries, I am sure of that.
But then I started to learn details about how does America work. For example the whole talk about voter IDs, election availablity etc.. this level of difficulty so many people have voting is totally unreal. I am not sure that americans even realize it, because they are used to it, but there is something terribly wrong with the whole country, if people "can't afford to vote" for this or that reason. I mean, in Czech Republic, you just casually drop by after work to a polling place, of which there are so many everywhere and vote - if there are queues for more than a couple of minute, someone is gonna get yelled at very, very hard.
But the rabbit hole really goes deeper - how come that in one of the most developed, richest and powerful country, there are so many people who struggle to go by every day? Even more interestingly, who managed to convince those people that more of free market capitalism is the solution? How can a right-wing candidate take decisive support from the working class? It does not make any fucking sense. The solution to most of american issue is obviously modern moderate socialism - but nobody sees that! HOW?
I should not really surprised that you guys elected a muppet, after all, we (Czech Rep.) have one as president (luckily, without much of actual power) and several other nearby countries have some elected representatives highly questionable personalities (and the brits voted bloody yes on the most stupid question ever), I am just genuinely surprised that you voted this particular muppet - a rich billionaire who never did anything useful in his life and has no interest in any real social politics.
First off, this was a major wakeup call, perhaps the last one you'll hear in a while, that This campaign was always about the lesser of two evils.
For you particularly, but not for the rest of the country, it's also about It is insanely easy for people to vote. Trump was an easy choice for the white working class. The Democratic party had empty promises for years, the Republican party mostly the same, and here comes the outsider candidate promising hope and change. + Show Spoiler +
On October 30 2016 04:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: This election in a nutshell.
Easy choice. Hate the choices, accept the choice.
But I promised myself to not go full ham on a naive take. Half the country is waking up to modern journalism and the people they've left behind while saying minorities have been left behind. The reality check is just hitting and they'll STILL claim Clinton was great but America wasn't ready to accept her. So go read the hillbilly elegy, polling on immigration & Syrian refugees & obamacare and grasp why Trump was the better choice of two bad choices.
Why doesn't the American working class need clean drinking water, air or food?
How can you possible vote for someone who wants to abolish the EPA?
I love how his supporters are under the impression that someone who started off with millions of free dollars of his dad's money can in any way sympathize with, understand, or even care about the "working class" and its struggles.
He rode the working class to victory at any rate.
and in all honesty if he got rid of obamacare and did nothing else for 4 years i wouldnt give a single fuck. that would be enough for me and most people i know
What is so wrong with "Obamacare", it's essentially is a former Republican proposal written up by right wing think tanks that Republican Governors implemented, including candidate Mitt Romney in states.
yes, as written it wasn't perfect, lots of legislation especially major needs to be tinkered with. People act like it is the spawn of the devil. What is objectively and factually so bad about it? Besides the fact it was passed by President Obama.
I am about to get fucked hard if obamacare is repealed unfortunately. As a student w/ full time hourly job just paying for healthcare for the family sucks already, lol.
On November 09 2016 15:57 opisska wrote: Naively taken, for me as an outsider, this result is absolutely absurd. The whole "two bad options" melodrama has been completely fabricated - maybe Hillary wasn't the most loveable candidate, but in any normal place or time, her "terrible flaws" would have been seen as normal features of a career politician. Yet, millions of people got somehow convinced that she is the same "evil" as a guy who boasts about touching women, spits hate about anyone he feels like the given week and generally doesn't seem to be able to run a bicycle, not to mention a country. This is just some enormous feat of marketing, it will be studied for centuries, I am sure of that.
But then I started to learn details about how does America work. For example the whole talk about voter IDs, election availablity etc.. this level of difficulty so many people have voting is totally unreal. I am not sure that americans even realize it, because they are used to it, but there is something terribly wrong with the whole country, if people "can't afford to vote" for this or that reason. I mean, in Czech Republic, you just casually drop by after work to a polling place, of which there are so many everywhere and vote - if there are queues for more than a couple of minute, someone is gonna get yelled at very, very hard.
But the rabbit hole really goes deeper - how come that in one of the most developed, richest and powerful country, there are so many people who struggle to go by every day? Even more interestingly, who managed to convince those people that more of free market capitalism is the solution? How can a right-wing candidate take decisive support from the working class? It does not make any fucking sense. The solution to most of american issue is obviously modern moderate socialism - but nobody sees that! HOW?
I should not really surprised that you guys elected a muppet, after all, we (Czech Rep.) have one as president (luckily, without much of actual power) and several other nearby countries have some elected representatives highly questionable personalities (and the brits voted bloody yes on the most stupid question ever), I am just genuinely surprised that you voted this particular muppet - a rich billionaire who never did anything useful in his life and has no interest in any real social politics.
First off, this was a major wakeup call, perhaps the last one you'll hear in a while, that This campaign was always about the lesser of two evils.
For you particularly, but not for the rest of the country, it's also about It is insanely easy for people to vote. Trump was an easy choice for the white working class. The Democratic party had empty promises for years, the Republican party mostly the same, and here comes the outsider candidate promising hope and change. + Show Spoiler +
But I promised myself to not go full ham on a naive take. Half the country is waking up to modern journalism and the people they've left behind while saying minorities have been left behind. The reality check is just hitting and they'll STILL claim Clinton was great but America wasn't ready to accept her. So go read the hillbilly elegy, polling on immigration & Syrian refugees & obamacare and grasp why Trump was the better choice of two bad choices.
Why doesn't the American working class need clean drinking water, air or food?
How can you possible vote for someone who wants to abolish the EPA?
I love how his supporters are under the impression that someone who started off with millions of free dollars of his dad's money can in any way sympathize with, understand, or even care about the "working class" and its struggles.
He rode the working class to victory at any rate.
and in all honesty if he got rid of obamacare and did nothing else for 4 years i wouldnt give a single fuck. that would be enough for me and most people i know
What is so wrong with "Obamacare", it's essentially is a former Republican proposal written up by right wing think tanks that Republican Governors implemented, including candidate Mitt Romney in states.
yes, as written it wasn't perfect, lots of legislation especially major needs to be tinkered with. People act like it is the spawn of the devil. What is objectively and factually so bad about it? Besides the fact it was passed by President Obama.
I am about to get fucked hard if obamacare is repealed unfortunately. As a student w/ full time hourly job just paying for healthcare for the family sucks already, lol.
I dislike highly having to give up a lot of my check to healthcare i dont want or need
that's whats wrong with it and a fine for not having health care should not be a fucking thing. i already live in one of the highest taxed fucking states in the US i don't want anymore of this ass rape
On November 09 2016 16:11 Leporello wrote: So the guy who started the "birther" movement is going to take the Presidency after the first black President.
Nothing racist there at all. Idk how I'm going to sleep.
America's best hope is that something can be done over the next couple months that will disqualify Donald's presidency. The voters have put the world at real risk, imo.
Fuck the DNC, too. They took it all for granted.
Yeah, see, this is exactly the kind of responses that make a protest vote for Trump more worthwhile.
Blame racism. Wish some cosmic force will disqualify the election. Predict global doom.
With all due respect, the more you act like sore losers the better we feel about our responses to Obama winning. You're the new birther movement. Congratulations.
My problem with Mr. Trump, president elect, he ran a racist, anti-semetic campaign. The ad where he talked about the global conspiracy, showed only Jewish people, that's anti-semetic. He said Mexico sends rapists and criminals to the US, facts don't support that. Muslims did not cheer when 9/11 happened, Muslim communities work very, very hard with law enforcement to try to identify people who have been radicalized and stop terror attacks. The misdeeds of the few are blamed on the many. But when a white person commits a terrorist attack, they are the lone wolf.
As a Jew, I identify with the Muslim's community's plight, for centuries, the misdeed of one Jew was held against them all. That is how it is for Muslims in America. Mr. Trump ran roughshod over these facts and demonized minorities.
I did not vote for him, but Former President Bush, after 9/11 never blamed Muslims at large, he deserves credit for that. It would of been so easy to demonize an entire group but he did not.
Mr. Trump bragged about being able to touch any woman, regardless of her feelings, cause he's famous. That's misogyny. For so many Republicans who lament and still say Former President Clinton shamed the office for his affairs, why is Mr. Trump given a free pass?
He has a temper and is quick to lash out, not a temperament I want for the leader of our armed forces.
He has no set policies, doesn't know anything, which I understand is the appeal, he is the ultimate fuck you to the political establishment, the rich political insiders who profit due to their time in government, who I also hate. But I am vastly skeptical of his ability to do the job.
I would love nothing wrong for President Elect Trump to prove me wrong, the challenges this country faces are vast, but I will not be holding my breath.
You have some trouble seeing eye to eye with the counterarguments. The misdeeds of illegal aliens released from custody, not stopped, deported then immigrated back into the country to commit crime again ... these are real cases and they're totally ignored. Democrats had decades to address repeat offenders and secure the border against the minority of illegal immigrants that commit crimes and use sanctuary cities or the porous border to their advantage. So I can see why you'd call Trump racist because everybody's racist these days (even some of our better conservative posters) and he's insulting towards illegal immigrants when he's supposed to be a detached statistical analyst. He's out there to gain votes, and Democrats were weak on the border for years, so why not highlight the criminality when it's present? Mexico also presumably sends good people, do you agree with Trump on that? Or is the racist trying to hide his colors?
I really do think he's the better ally of Israel, I mean especially with what Obama's done with Israel elections (can google it) and empowered regimes hostile to Israel in the middle east (probably not your view, but let's just say Israel is against Iran having nukes and they're ruling party did not support the Iran deal). Pretty pro-Israel in my book. But maybe you can admit people that say he's great on issues held dearly by Jews have a very arguable position.
But I should generalize here lest I need to defend every word he's said and I have no intention of doing so. He has deep flaws in areas Clinton has deep flaws in areas he does not. He's said some very bad things about women, and investigators might find he did some really grotesque things too. I don't defend that.
Everyone at their dinner tables discusses how poorly we can screen Muslim immigrants from Syria (and the Christian Syrian refugees haven't been even getting the time of day from the Obama administration. They have been very bad on Syrian minorities). Trump went past the logical position criticizing all Muslim immigrants. Luckily, he was a fair cry better than the Clinton position, which is never admitting a problem. So another Trump win.
He is unpredictable, Clinton is predictably bad. Trump win. Clinton made this about Trump, not her policies (Every Clinton ad I saw was children looking at television screens of Trump's statements). She could've tried to take it to the policies, but America didn't trust her on her policies, so she didn't ... I mean that foreign policy is a Vietnam-like record. I don't blame her, though I certainly blame her supporters for not seeing the rationale. She made it about Trump, Trump made it about Trump, and sadly Clinton kept popping into the news for all the wrong reasons.
I am vastly skeptical of how he will do his job. He wasn't my choice in the primary and I very much wish we had run somebody else against Clinton. Half the time I don't think he'll even get the wall up. I trust Pence much more than Trump. But along the long list of why Trump and Clinton were a choice between the lesser of two evils, I see the majority of heavily disqualifying traits in Clinton's camp. I am deeply opposed to the progressive agenda, and Clinton was an early adopter with Hillarycare when nobody was reasonably talking a government takeover of the healthcare system.
But until people start facing reality and meeting Republicans halfway instead of clinging to their uncompromising agenda, we'll have to deliver more electoral defeats to bring them back to the table. I only spout off to remind people that when they accuse Trump voters of being blind to his faults and Clinton's advantages, half the country believes them blind to Clinton's faults and Trump's advantages. Make America Great Again won't happen, but it will certainly emerge greater under Trump then Clinton ... in the negatives but by lesser margins.
On November 09 2016 16:56 oBlade wrote: Well, look who was there to answer the call at 3 AM as promised.
On November 09 2016 16:53 wuhan_clan wrote: Look I'm glad Trump won. I even voted for him. But I'll be the first to admit he''ll likely be a disaster. I just knew that Hillary was going to seal the fate of the country long term because of her corrupt ties. We'll laugh at Trump for 4 years and then a legit candidate (and I don't mean a socialist) can take the seat.
But the people who are acting like their lives are over is just unreal. For fucks sake it's not that bad.
No it's not over, but for Supreme Court Justices who can serve for decades, that will vastly shape your lifetime, your rights, long after President Trump is gone.
For Global Warming, which is real, which requires urgent action yesterday, where time is precious and we already don't have enough to stop it and are fighting to prevent the very worst effects, your children, your grandchildren and descendants will suffer.
Cause our next President said it was a myth to make us less competitive vs China. President Trump might be gone in four years, or maybe eight, but so many things will remain and in my opinion, damage this country and this Earth long after.
On November 09 2016 15:57 opisska wrote: Naively taken, for me as an outsider, this result is absolutely absurd. The whole "two bad options" melodrama has been completely fabricated - maybe Hillary wasn't the most loveable candidate, but in any normal place or time, her "terrible flaws" would have been seen as normal features of a career politician. Yet, millions of people got somehow convinced that she is the same "evil" as a guy who boasts about touching women, spits hate about anyone he feels like the given week and generally doesn't seem to be able to run a bicycle, not to mention a country. This is just some enormous feat of marketing, it will be studied for centuries, I am sure of that.
But then I started to learn details about how does America work. For example the whole talk about voter IDs, election availablity etc.. this level of difficulty so many people have voting is totally unreal. I am not sure that americans even realize it, because they are used to it, but there is something terribly wrong with the whole country, if people "can't afford to vote" for this or that reason. I mean, in Czech Republic, you just casually drop by after work to a polling place, of which there are so many everywhere and vote - if there are queues for more than a couple of minute, someone is gonna get yelled at very, very hard.
But the rabbit hole really goes deeper - how come that in one of the most developed, richest and powerful country, there are so many people who struggle to go by every day? Even more interestingly, who managed to convince those people that more of free market capitalism is the solution? How can a right-wing candidate take decisive support from the working class? It does not make any fucking sense. The solution to most of american issue is obviously modern moderate socialism - but nobody sees that! HOW?
I should not really surprised that you guys elected a muppet, after all, we (Czech Rep.) have one as president (luckily, without much of actual power) and several other nearby countries have some elected representatives highly questionable personalities (and the brits voted bloody yes on the most stupid question ever), I am just genuinely surprised that you voted this particular muppet - a rich billionaire who never did anything useful in his life and has no interest in any real social politics.
First off, this was a major wakeup call, perhaps the last one you'll hear in a while, that This campaign was always about the lesser of two evils.
For you particularly, but not for the rest of the country, it's also about It is insanely easy for people to vote. Trump was an easy choice for the white working class. The Democratic party had empty promises for years, the Republican party mostly the same, and here comes the outsider candidate promising hope and change. + Show Spoiler +
But I promised myself to not go full ham on a naive take. Half the country is waking up to modern journalism and the people they've left behind while saying minorities have been left behind. The reality check is just hitting and they'll STILL claim Clinton was great but America wasn't ready to accept her. So go read the hillbilly elegy, polling on immigration & Syrian refugees & obamacare and grasp why Trump was the better choice of two bad choices.
Why doesn't the American working class need clean drinking water, air or food?
How can you possible vote for someone who wants to abolish the EPA?
I love how his supporters are under the impression that someone who started off with millions of free dollars of his dad's money can in any way sympathize with, understand, or even care about the "working class" and its struggles.
He rode the working class to victory at any rate.
and in all honesty if he got rid of obamacare and did nothing else for 4 years i wouldnt give a single fuck. that would be enough for me and most people i know
What is so wrong with "Obamacare", it's essentially is a former Republican proposal written up by right wing think tanks that Republican Governors implemented, including candidate Mitt Romney in states.
yes, as written it wasn't perfect, lots of legislation especially major needs to be tinkered with. People act like it is the spawn of the devil. What is objectively and factually so bad about it? Besides the fact it was passed by President Obama.
I am about to get fucked hard if obamacare is repealed unfortunately. As a student w/ full time hourly job just paying for healthcare for the family sucks already, lol.
I dislike highly having to give up a lot of my check to healthcare i dont want or need
that's whats wrong with it and a fine for not having health care should not be a fucking thing. i already live in one of the highest taxed fucking states in the US i don't want anymore of this ass rape
EPT
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