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On November 03 2016 06:26 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 06:24 KwarK wrote:On November 03 2016 06:21 TheYango wrote:On November 03 2016 05:44 biology]major wrote:
Stop obsessing over the personality of a man you despise and see the country with the eyes of an average american. I care very little about his personality. I care about the fact that he's demonstrably unable to hold a sustained discussion about policy for an extended period of time, a total political neophyte who doesn't have any experience or understanding of how Washington works, and taken people who I have no confidence or trust for in as his employees and surrogates. Hell, even independent of everything else, a candidate who Jeff Sessions, Rudy Giuliani, and Newt Gingrich all fervently support would make me think twice about voting for him. The worst scum of the GOP whose political careers should have been over years ago have had new life breathed into them thanks to Trumpism. This is a man who when asked which part of the nuclear triad, that being the bombers, the missiles and the submarines, he thought most needed renovation, with the nuclear triad listed in the question as I just phrased it, had no idea what the nuclear triad was and needed Rubio to explain it to him. After bragging about how he knew more about nuclear weapons than the START negotiators. These are such minor grievances, he has no political experience, he will be fully briefed and it isn't going to be a one time thing either. I hope they devote a group of staffers whose sole purpose is to educate him on political matters, in fact I expect that, even beyond the usual security briefings.
He picks the staffers! Do you really think his choices on staffers to date is inspiring?
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On November 03 2016 06:26 biology]major wrote:
These are such minor grievances, he has no political experience, he will be fully briefed and it isn't going to be a one time thing either. I hope they devote a group of staffers whose sole purpose is to educate him on political matters, in fact I expect that, even beyond the usual security briefings.
Who is "they" here exactly?
The argument is that people are going to magically appear out of thin air and educate Trump about these matters is pretty unconvincing. Trump's the one who's going to be in control. If he's has no interest in educating himself up to this point (and we've had 3 shitshow debates to date to show that he'd rather do no prep and pretend he won rather than actually doing the work to win), there's no one who's going to make him learn when he's in office.
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On November 03 2016 06:23 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 06:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
there was a poll that showed clinton pulling 28% of republicans who had already voted in FL, though the caveats are (i) given the relatively small sample size there's a large error and (ii) it seems too high to believable. still, the fact a decently conducted poll could show that suggests republican defections are probably quite high.
@kwark - while im not as confident as igne about the election being over, i subscribe to the notion that sampling bias is a major factor for the change in the polls. Rubio's campaign said it showed similar results to their internal polling. (Also showed Rubio up 6)
People are super focused on the minority turn out because it gives them hope, but forget that there are a large number of Republican women who jumped ship a while ago.
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On November 03 2016 06:30 On_Slaught wrote:
He picks the staffers! Do you really think his choices on staffers to date is inspiring?
All the people he's put closest to himself thus far have been people more interested in defending him on indefensible ground rather than actually correcting and educating him when he needs to be corrected and educated. The members of the GOP who have done otherwise and criticized him appropriately have been harangued for being disloyal. I don't see why this would change when he's in office.
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On November 03 2016 06:32 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 06:26 biology]major wrote:
These are such minor grievances, he has no political experience, he will be fully briefed and it isn't going to be a one time thing either. I hope they devote a group of staffers whose sole purpose is to educate him on political matters, in fact I expect that, even beyond the usual security briefings. Who is "they" here exactly? The argument is that people are going to magically appear out of thin air and educate Trump about these matters is pretty unconvincing. Trump's the one who's going to be in control. If he's has no interest in educating himself up to this point (and we've had 3 shitshow debates to date to show that he'd rather do no prep and pretend he won rather than actually doing the work to win), there's no one who's going to make him learn when he's in office.
This is a group of people can't convince him to delete the twitter app on this phone for his own good.
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certainly it's not the case that trump has demonstrated much learning on the issues so far; and it's long past the time when someone should have started learning on such things.
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On November 03 2016 06:32 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 06:23 Nevuk wrote:On November 03 2016 06:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
there was a poll that showed clinton pulling 28% of republicans who had already voted in FL, though the caveats are (i) given the relatively small sample size there's a large error and (ii) it seems too high to believable. still, the fact a decently conducted poll could show that suggests republican defections are probably quite high.
@kwark - while im not as confident as igne about the election being over, i subscribe to the notion that sampling bias is a major factor for the change in the polls. Rubio's campaign said it showed similar results to their internal polling. (Also showed Rubio up 6) People are super focused on the minority turn out because it gives them hope, but forget that there are a large number of Republican women who jumped ship a while ago.
I've been seriously wondering if there's a shy Clinton voter effect going on. Trump's voters are generally so vocal and unpleasant to talk to about politics that I know that I don't really talk about supporting Clinton in public in my state (Kentucky, which is a really weird mishmash of democratic leaning local/state level but GOP overall. It may make more sense when you realize we're socially conservative but economically liberal. How we have rand paul, I have no fucking clue).
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On November 03 2016 06:26 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 06:24 KwarK wrote:On November 03 2016 06:21 TheYango wrote:On November 03 2016 05:44 biology]major wrote:
Stop obsessing over the personality of a man you despise and see the country with the eyes of an average american. I care very little about his personality. I care about the fact that he's demonstrably unable to hold a sustained discussion about policy for an extended period of time, a total political neophyte who doesn't have any experience or understanding of how Washington works, and taken people who I have no confidence or trust for in as his employees and surrogates. Hell, even independent of everything else, a candidate who Jeff Sessions, Rudy Giuliani, and Newt Gingrich all fervently support would make me think twice about voting for him. The worst scum of the GOP whose political careers should have been over years ago have had new life breathed into them thanks to Trumpism. This is a man who when asked which part of the nuclear triad, that being the bombers, the missiles and the submarines, he thought most needed renovation, with the nuclear triad listed in the question as I just phrased it, had no idea what the nuclear triad was and needed Rubio to explain it to him. After bragging about how he knew more about nuclear weapons than the START negotiators. These are such minor grievances, he has no political experience, he will be fully briefed and it isn't going to be a one time thing either. I hope they devote a group of staffers whose sole purpose is to educate him on political matters, in fact I expect that, even beyond the usual security briefings.
He has been briefed. And said that the people briefing him don't know what they are doing. Nobody wants that job.
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On November 03 2016 06:29 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 06:27 plasmidghost wrote:
Just six more god-awful days until all is mess goes away... who am I kidding, regardless of who wins, their presidency will be attacked from the very start and it won't stop exactly, politics has devolved into shit. I'll take a ban bet just because I need to lower the noise, this is quite distracting. Kwark !
I'd rather not ban you either. zeo, GGTemplar after the monkey fiasco and Nettles are the ones who I'd be willing to risk my own posting to remove.
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On November 03 2016 06:32 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 06:26 biology]major wrote:
These are such minor grievances, he has no political experience, he will be fully briefed and it isn't going to be a one time thing either. I hope they devote a group of staffers whose sole purpose is to educate him on political matters, in fact I expect that, even beyond the usual security briefings. Who is "they" here exactly? The argument is that people are going to magically appear out of thin air and educate Trump about these matters is pretty unconvincing. Trump's the one who's going to be in control. If he's has no interest in educating himself up to this point (and we've had 3 shitshow debates to date to show that he'd rather do no prep and pretend he won rather than actually doing the work to win), there's no one who's going to make him learn when he's in office.
"they" = apolitical spirits of wisdom in the whitehouse. IDK, but he needs some briefings.
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Even if Trump gets briefed, the question is whether he will listen and accept their advice.
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On November 03 2016 06:38 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Even if Trump gets briefed, the question is whether he will listen and accept their advice.
As shown by his opinion on those briefing him (aka the 'I know better') I would say... No. He will not listen
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Can we compile a list of TL-specific bets that are still in force?
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On November 03 2016 06:36 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 06:32 Plansix wrote:On November 03 2016 06:23 Nevuk wrote:On November 03 2016 06:15 ticklishmusic wrote:
there was a poll that showed clinton pulling 28% of republicans who had already voted in FL, though the caveats are (i) given the relatively small sample size there's a large error and (ii) it seems too high to believable. still, the fact a decently conducted poll could show that suggests republican defections are probably quite high.
@kwark - while im not as confident as igne about the election being over, i subscribe to the notion that sampling bias is a major factor for the change in the polls. Rubio's campaign said it showed similar results to their internal polling. (Also showed Rubio up 6) People are super focused on the minority turn out because it gives them hope, but forget that there are a large number of Republican women who jumped ship a while ago. I've been seriously wondering if there's a shy Clinton voter effect going on. Trump's voters are generally so vocal and unpleasant to talk to about politics that I know that I don't really talk about supporting Clinton in public in my state (Kentucky, which is a really weird mishmash of democratic leaning local/state level but GOP overall. It may make more sense when you realize we're socially conservative but economically liberal. How we have rand paul, I have no fucking clue).
Women voters silently going to the polls and canceling out their husbands votes for Republican candidates who say terrible shit about women is a real thing. The “Legitimate rape” quote cost Todd Akin the election and that barely showed up in the polls until election day. There is no way to measure it either.
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On November 03 2016 06:30 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 06:26 biology]major wrote:On November 03 2016 06:24 KwarK wrote:On November 03 2016 06:21 TheYango wrote:On November 03 2016 05:44 biology]major wrote:
Stop obsessing over the personality of a man you despise and see the country with the eyes of an average american. I care very little about his personality. I care about the fact that he's demonstrably unable to hold a sustained discussion about policy for an extended period of time, a total political neophyte who doesn't have any experience or understanding of how Washington works, and taken people who I have no confidence or trust for in as his employees and surrogates. Hell, even independent of everything else, a candidate who Jeff Sessions, Rudy Giuliani, and Newt Gingrich all fervently support would make me think twice about voting for him. The worst scum of the GOP whose political careers should have been over years ago have had new life breathed into them thanks to Trumpism. This is a man who when asked which part of the nuclear triad, that being the bombers, the missiles and the submarines, he thought most needed renovation, with the nuclear triad listed in the question as I just phrased it, had no idea what the nuclear triad was and needed Rubio to explain it to him. After bragging about how he knew more about nuclear weapons than the START negotiators. These are such minor grievances, he has no political experience, he will be fully briefed and it isn't going to be a one time thing either. I hope they devote a group of staffers whose sole purpose is to educate him on political matters, in fact I expect that, even beyond the usual security briefings. He picks the staffers! Do you really think his choices on staffers to date is inspiring?
No he doesn't pick the staff,he could not even pick his own vp (Christie) as he had to compromise with the rest of the party and go with pence. It will be the same for top staff positions. He will mostly have to pick experienced people who are part of the Washington political establishment.
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On November 03 2016 06:37 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 06:32 TheYango wrote:On November 03 2016 06:26 biology]major wrote:
These are such minor grievances, he has no political experience, he will be fully briefed and it isn't going to be a one time thing either. I hope they devote a group of staffers whose sole purpose is to educate him on political matters, in fact I expect that, even beyond the usual security briefings. Who is "they" here exactly? The argument is that people are going to magically appear out of thin air and educate Trump about these matters is pretty unconvincing. Trump's the one who's going to be in control. If he's has no interest in educating himself up to this point (and we've had 3 shitshow debates to date to show that he'd rather do no prep and pretend he won rather than actually doing the work to win), there's no one who's going to make him learn when he's in office. "they" = apolitical spirits of wisdom in the whitehouse. IDK, but he needs some briefings.
You do know that the White House staff changes almost completely between administrations, right? The place is almost empty when they show up. The Obama administration didn’t’ even keep the computers because they were out of date.
On November 03 2016 06:43 pmh wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 06:30 On_Slaught wrote:On November 03 2016 06:26 biology]major wrote:On November 03 2016 06:24 KwarK wrote:On November 03 2016 06:21 TheYango wrote:On November 03 2016 05:44 biology]major wrote:
Stop obsessing over the personality of a man you despise and see the country with the eyes of an average american. I care very little about his personality. I care about the fact that he's demonstrably unable to hold a sustained discussion about policy for an extended period of time, a total political neophyte who doesn't have any experience or understanding of how Washington works, and taken people who I have no confidence or trust for in as his employees and surrogates. Hell, even independent of everything else, a candidate who Jeff Sessions, Rudy Giuliani, and Newt Gingrich all fervently support would make me think twice about voting for him. The worst scum of the GOP whose political careers should have been over years ago have had new life breathed into them thanks to Trumpism. This is a man who when asked which part of the nuclear triad, that being the bombers, the missiles and the submarines, he thought most needed renovation, with the nuclear triad listed in the question as I just phrased it, had no idea what the nuclear triad was and needed Rubio to explain it to him. After bragging about how he knew more about nuclear weapons than the START negotiators. These are such minor grievances, he has no political experience, he will be fully briefed and it isn't going to be a one time thing either. I hope they devote a group of staffers whose sole purpose is to educate him on political matters, in fact I expect that, even beyond the usual security briefings. He picks the staffers! Do you really think his choices on staffers to date is inspiring? No he doesn't pick the staff,he could not even pick his own vp (Christie) as he had to compromise with the rest of the party and go with pence. It will be the same for top staff positions. He will mostly have to pick experienced people who are part of the Washington political establishment.
This is completely incorrect. The party has little direct control over who the president hires for which positions. The White house is staffed by the president and the chief of staff(also picked by the president).
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On November 03 2016 06:41 LegalLord wrote:
Can we compile a list of TL-specific bets that are still in force?
Just the GGTemplar ones that I know about. He made like 4 on one day. If Trump wins you guys are getting an echo chamber for a month. If Clinton wins we're going a few months without hearing "if it's not a racial slur when used out of context then how can it be a racial slur if used in context to denigrate that race".
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On November 03 2016 06:43 pmh wrote:
No he doesn't pick the staff,he could not even pick his own vp (Christie) as he had to compromise with the rest of the party and go with pence. It will be the same for top staff positions. He will mostly have to pick experienced people who are part of the Washington political establishment.
So how do you reconcile the idea of Trump being an anti-establishment candidate who was supposed to shake up how Washington politics works with your presumption that he's going to put the GOP old guard in charge of everything?
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On November 03 2016 06:26 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 06:24 KwarK wrote:On November 03 2016 06:21 TheYango wrote:On November 03 2016 05:44 biology]major wrote:
Stop obsessing over the personality of a man you despise and see the country with the eyes of an average american. I care very little about his personality. I care about the fact that he's demonstrably unable to hold a sustained discussion about policy for an extended period of time, a total political neophyte who doesn't have any experience or understanding of how Washington works, and taken people who I have no confidence or trust for in as his employees and surrogates. Hell, even independent of everything else, a candidate who Jeff Sessions, Rudy Giuliani, and Newt Gingrich all fervently support would make me think twice about voting for him. The worst scum of the GOP whose political careers should have been over years ago have had new life breathed into them thanks to Trumpism. This is a man who when asked which part of the nuclear triad, that being the bombers, the missiles and the submarines, he thought most needed renovation, with the nuclear triad listed in the question as I just phrased it, had no idea what the nuclear triad was and needed Rubio to explain it to him. After bragging about how he knew more about nuclear weapons than the START negotiators. These are such minor grievances, he has no political experience, he will be fully briefed and it isn't going to be a one time thing either. I hope they devote a group of staffers whose sole purpose is to educate him on political matters, in fact I expect that, even beyond the usual security briefings.
You've got some serious blinders on my friend. What you predict right here basically couldn't be any more off base from the evidence we have thus far.
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Lisa Bloom press conference to be rescheduled, apparently.
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