EPTOn October 29 2016 14:38 Blisse wrote:
Okay so point by point.
You say there's an issue with the debt, but his plan is to increase the debt? Like sure the debt is large, but what's the problem with it where that acknowledge it and increasing it makes things better? And every country is in debt, debt itself means nothing, it depends on how it's used.
I agree with jobs going overseas, but how does cutting taxes on the rich help? That's what Trump wants to do. How does cutting taxes on corporations help? All of our research says cutting taxes doesn't help because it literally takes money away from the government and now needs to be taken from elsewhere, essentially stressing the middle and low class. Do you disagree with the research? Do you trust Trump's instincts? Even though he has so many failed businesses?
How has globalism been a failure? Like specifically how? What are the specific instances you're talking about? Globalism means all sorts of things. Are you not a fan of out-sourcing? Has your job become redundant? Do you feel like your low-middle class hasn't enjoyed any financial security improvements because of "globalism"? Why do you think going backwards on globalism is the solution as opposed to better policies? Why focus on this magical word instead of digging in on what you feel is hindering you or others?
In what way has the current response to the Middle East been disastrous? The US invaded the Middle East. The US pressured the government to leave the Middle East. Leaving the Middle East was not done well because it's a complex situation and now we had problems like Aleppo and ISIS. I think Aleppo was disastrous but I also believe the entire situation is probably difficult as shit and everyone would've made mistakes doing something similar. Trump says stuff like Aleppo wouldn't have happened or that veteran's child wouldn't have died if he was in charge - don't you think that's simplifying the situation just a tad? Does Trump given you the impression that he's meticulous about all these things? How does Trump given you a better impression than Hillary other than Hillary has a history because she actually tried? The US said fuck, the Bush approach was shit, let's try a more hands-off approach to ISIS that hopefully allows the regional entities to restore and retain power. It's going slowly because they're hands-off, and we know what happens when we were hands-on (re: 2003). So how does Trump's vision of "the element of surprise" and "carpet bombing" the entire Middle East do anything to help the situation? Sure, Trump has a better relationship with Putin. So you agree with what would end up happening if the US weren't involved? With stuff like that Assad knowingly used poison gas on civilians? Where do you draw the line where currently the rebels the US supports "accidentally" bombs civilians as well? Because if you end your support, you essentially put Assad in power and destroy your relationships with the Middle East. It's a fucking complex situation, everyone knows that, waving your arms saying "it's a disaster" doesn't help at all.
Has Hillary blamed the economic problems on Bush? Who have they been blaming? Do you have a source? Hasn't everyone agreed that the markets aligned in a dramatic way and that banks were involved? Do you not like that banks seem to have a hand in Hillary's pockets so she isn't going to punish them? Do you believe that Trump doesn't about the bank's feelings and that he has proposals that would do something? Do you think that breaking up the big banks is the correct idea? Do you have any clue where that would even go? Are you just supporting this because you want to stick it up to the banks?
I'm not so sure that you can for sure say the risk of WW3 is higher with Clinton, given how trigger happy and temperamental Trump is about nuclear weapons. I think it is higher with Clinton, but I don't think you can just say "yes it's definitely higher" given his temperament.
Do you think that Jill Stein adds legitimacy to an opinion, given that she can't seem to explain any of her ideas in depth and shit like she's hesitant about whether vaccines cause autism or that 9/11 was an inside job?
Where do you see corruption in the old system? What's corrupt about it? Even though everything we've discussed here about the email case says that Clinton shouldn't be prosecuted, do you still doubt that decision? Do you just not like how large the Clinton's sphere of influence is and how their donors are so large and random and look so shady (Saudia Arabia, banks, etc)?
Do you just think that Clinton is the embodiment of everything you don't like about politics and that's the most valuable quality that you're judging the president by?
Like I don't mind if that's the reason you prefer Trump. I get it, I felt the same way about Harper. But in my opinion all of your other reasons just don't hold enough water, so saying them over and over again like they're the truth makes no sense. I just want you to ask yourself these questions and see if you have any reasoned response, because I think these are all reasonable questions and when Trump supporters just say "you're lying" without any proof it removes the element discussion. But in my opinion discussion is how you should shape your ideas, versus something like blind faith or ignorance.
Okay so point by point.
You say there's an issue with the debt, but his plan is to increase the debt? Like sure the debt is large, but what's the problem with it where that acknowledge it and increasing it makes things better? And every country is in debt, debt itself means nothing, it depends on how it's used.
I agree with jobs going overseas, but how does cutting taxes on the rich help? That's what Trump wants to do. How does cutting taxes on corporations help? All of our research says cutting taxes doesn't help because it literally takes money away from the government and now needs to be taken from elsewhere, essentially stressing the middle and low class. Do you disagree with the research? Do you trust Trump's instincts? Even though he has so many failed businesses?
How has globalism been a failure? Like specifically how? What are the specific instances you're talking about? Globalism means all sorts of things. Are you not a fan of out-sourcing? Has your job become redundant? Do you feel like your low-middle class hasn't enjoyed any financial security improvements because of "globalism"? Why do you think going backwards on globalism is the solution as opposed to better policies? Why focus on this magical word instead of digging in on what you feel is hindering you or others?
In what way has the current response to the Middle East been disastrous? The US invaded the Middle East. The US pressured the government to leave the Middle East. Leaving the Middle East was not done well because it's a complex situation and now we had problems like Aleppo and ISIS. I think Aleppo was disastrous but I also believe the entire situation is probably difficult as shit and everyone would've made mistakes doing something similar. Trump says stuff like Aleppo wouldn't have happened or that veteran's child wouldn't have died if he was in charge - don't you think that's simplifying the situation just a tad? Does Trump given you the impression that he's meticulous about all these things? How does Trump given you a better impression than Hillary other than Hillary has a history because she actually tried? The US said fuck, the Bush approach was shit, let's try a more hands-off approach to ISIS that hopefully allows the regional entities to restore and retain power. It's going slowly because they're hands-off, and we know what happens when we were hands-on (re: 2003). So how does Trump's vision of "the element of surprise" and "carpet bombing" the entire Middle East do anything to help the situation? Sure, Trump has a better relationship with Putin. So you agree with what would end up happening if the US weren't involved? With stuff like that Assad knowingly used poison gas on civilians? Where do you draw the line where currently the rebels the US supports "accidentally" bombs civilians as well? Because if you end your support, you essentially put Assad in power and destroy your relationships with the Middle East. It's a fucking complex situation, everyone knows that, waving your arms saying "it's a disaster" doesn't help at all.
Has Hillary blamed the economic problems on Bush? Who have they been blaming? Do you have a source? Hasn't everyone agreed that the markets aligned in a dramatic way and that banks were involved? Do you not like that banks seem to have a hand in Hillary's pockets so she isn't going to punish them? Do you believe that Trump doesn't about the bank's feelings and that he has proposals that would do something? Do you think that breaking up the big banks is the correct idea? Do you have any clue where that would even go? Are you just supporting this because you want to stick it up to the banks?
I'm not so sure that you can for sure say the risk of WW3 is higher with Clinton, given how trigger happy and temperamental Trump is about nuclear weapons. I think it is higher with Clinton, but I don't think you can just say "yes it's definitely higher" given his temperament.
Do you think that Jill Stein adds legitimacy to an opinion, given that she can't seem to explain any of her ideas in depth and shit like she's hesitant about whether vaccines cause autism or that 9/11 was an inside job?
Where do you see corruption in the old system? What's corrupt about it? Even though everything we've discussed here about the email case says that Clinton shouldn't be prosecuted, do you still doubt that decision? Do you just not like how large the Clinton's sphere of influence is and how their donors are so large and random and look so shady (Saudia Arabia, banks, etc)?
Do you just think that Clinton is the embodiment of everything you don't like about politics and that's the most valuable quality that you're judging the president by?
Like I don't mind if that's the reason you prefer Trump. I get it, I felt the same way about Harper. But in my opinion all of your other reasons just don't hold enough water, so saying them over and over again like they're the truth makes no sense. I just want you to ask yourself these questions and see if you have any reasoned response, because I think these are all reasonable questions and when Trump supporters just say "you're lying" without any proof it removes the element discussion. But in my opinion discussion is how you should shape your ideas, versus something like blind faith or ignorance.
Please point me to all the research which says cutting taxes doesn't help and more specifically corporate taxes.
