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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
October 13 2016 17:49 GMT
#110961
Yeah why would they report on the scandals of a presidential nominee one month before the election if it wasn't for the express purpose of destroying him?

Because that's the exact purpose of a free press? Psssshhhh. Dont be so naïve. The NWO is coming people
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Trainrunnef
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States601 Posts
October 13 2016 17:49 GMT
#110962
On October 14 2016 02:15 OuchyDathurts wrote:
God I absolutely fucking love Michelle Obama.



The spoken word is strong with this one...
I am, therefore I pee
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22702 Posts
October 13 2016 17:50 GMT
#110963
On October 14 2016 02:46 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2016 02:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
This speech is entering dangerous territory... Especially if he says if he loses then the election is rigged.

How exactly is what he saying wrong? The entire establishment -- political, media, etc -- is engaged in a coordinated effort to take him down. The sheer force of pressure that they are bringing to bear against Trump is breathtaking to behold.

They are reporting the news. Its not their problem he is one of the most unfit people to ever run as a candidate.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-13 17:52:57
October 13 2016 17:51 GMT
#110964
On October 14 2016 02:40 Little-Chimp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2016 01:40 Gorsameth wrote:
On October 14 2016 01:37 Little-Chimp wrote:
Not a trump voter, but really surprised at how many people are taking these girls suddenly coming out of the woodwork at face value while eye rolling at the Bill Clinton accusations.

Be real, Hilary is just getting down to trumps level in the pig shit wars

Because we have Trump on tape bragging about it?
Seems rather obvious to me.



You mean the tape where he talks how a shit ton of guys talk to each other? No. If you had recordings guys talking to guys of everyone in this chat, 99% of you could be linked to an unrelated sex assault accusation.

Trump is a fucking tool but this wasn't the"scandal" that should have killed him.


I've never talked with anyone about anything close to what Trump did and I'm no fucking angel. Considering men from all the biggest sports, the most macho locker rooms imaginable have said this shit doesn't happen even in the NBA or NFL Donny doesn't have much of a leg to stand on.

I've said a million things that would disqualify me from being president, guess what though? I don't want to be president. None of those things I've said have been gloating about sexually assaulting people.

This is one of the million scandals that should have killed him. It doesn't matter which of the bullets stops your heart.

On October 14 2016 02:49 Trainrunnef wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2016 02:15 OuchyDathurts wrote:
God I absolutely fucking love Michelle Obama.



The spoken word is strong with this one...


She should read some books for audible or something. Michelle is bae dude.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-13 17:52:27
October 13 2016 17:52 GMT
#110965
On October 14 2016 02:51 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2016 02:40 Little-Chimp wrote:
On October 14 2016 01:40 Gorsameth wrote:
On October 14 2016 01:37 Little-Chimp wrote:
Not a trump voter, but really surprised at how many people are taking these girls suddenly coming out of the woodwork at face value while eye rolling at the Bill Clinton accusations.

Be real, Hilary is just getting down to trumps level in the pig shit wars

Because we have Trump on tape bragging about it?
Seems rather obvious to me.



You mean the tape where he talks how a shit ton of guys talk to each other? No. If you had recordings guys talking to guys of everyone in this chat, 99% of you could be linked to an unrelated sex assault accusation.

Trump is a fucking tool but this wasn't the"scandal" that should have killed him.


I've never talked with anyone about anything close to what Trump did and I'm no fucking angel. Considering men from all the biggest sports, the most macho locker rooms imaginable have said this shit doesn't happen even in the NBA or NFL Donny doesn't have much of a leg to stand on.

I've said a million things that would disqualify me from being president, guess what though? I don't want to be president. None of those things I've said have been gloating about sexually assaulting people.

This is one of the million scandals that should have killed him. It doesn't matter which of the bullets stops your heart.


A big kicker too is that he spoke of this stuff in the past tense or as something he's already done. Even in terms of terrible things to say, saying you want to grope someone is a world different from talking about how you actually do it.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 13 2016 17:52 GMT
#110966
This speech is to one demographic alone. White Baby Boomers.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-13 17:55:12
October 13 2016 17:52 GMT
#110967
On October 14 2016 02:50 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2016 02:46 xDaunt wrote:
On October 14 2016 02:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
This speech is entering dangerous territory... Especially if he says if he loses then the election is rigged.

How exactly is what he saying wrong? The entire establishment -- political, media, etc -- is engaged in a coordinated effort to take him down. The sheer force of pressure that they are bringing to bear against Trump is breathtaking to behold.

They are reporting the news. Its not their problem he is one of the most unfit people to ever run as a candidate.

Lol, you think that this is "just the news?" Give me a break. This is hyperbole and hypocrisy gone wild. And this thread has been a perfect reflection of the state of the "news."
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18875 Posts
October 13 2016 17:53 GMT
#110968
On October 14 2016 02:52 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2016 02:50 Gorsameth wrote:
On October 14 2016 02:46 xDaunt wrote:
On October 14 2016 02:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
This speech is entering dangerous territory... Especially if he says if he loses then the election is rigged.

How exactly is what he saying wrong? The entire establishment -- political, media, etc -- is engaged in a coordinated effort to take him down. The sheer force of pressure that they are bringing to bear against Trump is breathtaking to behold.

They are reporting the news. Its not their problem he is one of the most unfit people to ever run as a candidate.

Lol, you think that this is "just the news?" Give me a break. This is hyperbole gone wild. And this thread has been a perfect reflection of the state of the "news."

Funny, you said very similar things in 2012.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9256 Posts
October 13 2016 17:55 GMT
#110969
On October 14 2016 02:52 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2016 02:50 Gorsameth wrote:
On October 14 2016 02:46 xDaunt wrote:
On October 14 2016 02:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
This speech is entering dangerous territory... Especially if he says if he loses then the election is rigged.

How exactly is what he saying wrong? The entire establishment -- political, media, etc -- is engaged in a coordinated effort to take him down. The sheer force of pressure that they are bringing to bear against Trump is breathtaking to behold.

They are reporting the news. Its not their problem he is one of the most unfit people to ever run as a candidate.

Lol, you think that this is "just the news?" Give me a break. This is hyperbole gone wild. And this thread has been a perfect reflection of the state of the "news."

Oh, Trump being unfit for president is hyperbole, not Trump saying the world will be destroyed if he doesn't win
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22702 Posts
October 13 2016 17:56 GMT
#110970
On October 14 2016 02:52 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2016 02:50 Gorsameth wrote:
On October 14 2016 02:46 xDaunt wrote:
On October 14 2016 02:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
This speech is entering dangerous territory... Especially if he says if he loses then the election is rigged.

How exactly is what he saying wrong? The entire establishment -- political, media, etc -- is engaged in a coordinated effort to take him down. The sheer force of pressure that they are bringing to bear against Trump is breathtaking to behold.

They are reporting the news. Its not their problem he is one of the most unfit people to ever run as a candidate.

Lol, you think that this is "just the news?" Give me a break. This is hyperbole gone wild. And this thread has been a perfect reflection of the state of the "news."

Major candidate for the Presidency boasts about sexually assaulting women? Yes I would call that news.
Dozens of politicians rescinding their endorsement of their own parties candidate? Yes I would call that news.

I don't see much actual US news so what else is on there that is so hyperbole gone wild that it is a problem?
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 13 2016 17:58 GMT
#110971
If reporting on the news destroys Trump, he shouldn’t be president. Furthermore, if any news agency sat on this story because they felt that the amount of negative attention was “unbalanced” would be going against the core of journalistic ethics. They are not required to provide balanced coverage, which Trump exploited during the primary. Posters in this thread praised his ability to do so. But now that it has gone the other way and the attention is costing him votes in the general election, the media is somehow biased.
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Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9256 Posts
October 13 2016 17:58 GMT
#110972
On October 14 2016 02:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
This speech is to one demographic alone. White Baby Boomers.

Plenty of young people that eat this 'the whole world is conspiring against us' crap, I reckon the median age on places like the_donald or /pol/ is early 20s or even lower
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
October 13 2016 17:59 GMT
#110973
If you dont want sharks attacking you it's best to avoid stabbing yourself repeatedly.
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
October 13 2016 18:02 GMT
#110974
On October 14 2016 02:40 Little-Chimp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2016 01:40 Gorsameth wrote:
On October 14 2016 01:37 Little-Chimp wrote:
Not a trump voter, but really surprised at how many people are taking these girls suddenly coming out of the woodwork at face value while eye rolling at the Bill Clinton accusations.

Be real, Hilary is just getting down to trumps level in the pig shit wars

Because we have Drumpf on tape bragging about it?
Seems rather obvious to me.



You mean the tape where he talks how a shit ton of guys talk to each other? No. If you had recordings guys talking to guys of everyone in this chat, 99% of you could be linked to an unrelated sex assault accusation.

Drumpf is a fucking tool but this wasn't the"scandal" that should have killed him.


This chat...

and nope, sorry.. never done it and im definitely not the 1%. Not even close. Heck my friends and I get annoyed by dudes who cant lay off telling us about the times they had consensual sex, I mean sure guys talk about their exploits and some of them will talk about being more aggressive in their flirting but no one I can think of ever brags about literally grabbing a woman by her genitals or groping her and thinking its ok. Thats absolutely disgusting and you are deploarble person if you think like that. Sure there are people out their who do it. and they are disgusting pieces of shit. Fortunately only one of them is running to be citizen number one of the country.
Little-Chimp
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada951 Posts
October 13 2016 18:04 GMT
#110975
He talked about how tried to kiss a girl that didnt want to kiss him at the time, has that never happened to anyone else? Have you been to a club and looked around?

The grab them by the pussy thing wasn't about the married person in the story. If you really equate what he said to admission of sexual assault you have a problem with a lot of guys and girls out there. And now after the tape theres suddenly a few stories that needed to be told right now weeks from the election? You trust hillary that much?
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8991 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-13 18:08:37
October 13 2016 18:08 GMT
#110976
On October 14 2016 02:28 Thieving Magpie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2016 18:53 RenSC2 wrote:
One theme I've noticed from a few posters here on foreign policy is that intervention = bad. They see any intervention by the United States as a terrible thing and will sometimes even call it a war crime. In a few cases, they then link Hillary Clinton to those interventions and use that as a reason why she's dangerous/evil/corrupt/theDevil.

I'll admit to not being as knowledgeable on FP as some of the members here. I don't know the entire history of every conflict or all the shady dealings going on behind the scenes. However, I do recognize that there is a lot of moral grey area in intervention that seems to be forgotten by some posters. It essentially boils down to, "If you have great power, do you also have great responsibility?" The US clearly has great military power, so does it have a responsibility to use it for good? If the Libyan military is about to slaughter rebels, do we have a responsibility to protect the rebels if we feel they are the side of "good"? In that case, we did intervene and the country did become a mess, but does that truly mean it was wrong to intervene? Should we have just let the "good" guys die? In other conflicts, should we accept genocide as "not our problem"? We've done that before and while we generally don't get blamed for the deaths, a lot of people look to the United States and say, "how could you not help stop this?"

When we're attacked by a foreign nation (such as in WWII), the situation becomes pretty black and white. However, most conflicts aren't that simple for us. When you look at US foreign policy as right/wrong, it won't make sense at all. It's a mess and you'll end up coming to some conclusions that aren't right and attribute it to evil/greed/etc. However, if you look at our foreign policy through the lens of a lot of moral grey area, it makes a lot more sense. There are a lot of people who genuinely feel that we should be using our military to help the "good" guys around the world. They see it as a moral responsibility. Of course, they too may be suffering from seeing the world as good vs bad rather than lots of shades of grey, so perhaps you aren't as different from them as you'd like to believe.


Some people are okay when genocide happens to brown people. Others are not. Hilary does not like genocide on any people. Its really that simple.


It really is not...
There is a lot of ethics question around military intervention, for exemple bombing Kadafi in Libya meant taking position with the rebels, and also influencing the futur of the country. And trying to forge other nation with the your values can create some catastrophic situation. For exemple capitalism was suppose to bring progress to the country but in many case it caused more harm then good because we imposed it with little to no regard for their realities, so it may be better to not always interviene so they can acheive their own societies.

Also beeing a great power dosen't mean your idea are better, for exemple racisim was at one point a central idea of every great power. In the same way Russia and China are both great power and I think we can agree that we don't want them defending their "good guy" all around the world.

Having an outside intervention also destabilise the country a lot, the rebels in Libya having help from outside mean they will have less legitimacy to direct the country since they will be seen as the instrument of other power. Especially from party opposing them, it was seen in Africa after the decolonisation where political fonction where given to ethnics minorities by the european power, and that make the opposition between the groups a lot more intense, it is for exemple what happen (more complex then what I say of course) in Rwanda. But at the source of the genocide was an outside intervention.

It is just a few exemple of sorry if it is not very clear.

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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44439 Posts
October 13 2016 18:08 GMT
#110977
What about this one Chimp?

Do we all do that too?
He's not just confessing, he's bragging.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18875 Posts
October 13 2016 18:08 GMT
#110978
Hillary's trustworthiness and the reliability of recent victim reports are entirely separate issues.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46686 Posts
October 13 2016 18:08 GMT
#110979
On October 14 2016 02:05 Trainrunnef wrote:


I think this is the speech. Listening now. she starts at about 25mins


Just watched it. Holy shit, these feels.
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
October 13 2016 18:10 GMT
#110980
On October 14 2016 02:40 Little-Chimp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2016 01:40 Gorsameth wrote:
On October 14 2016 01:37 Little-Chimp wrote:
Not a trump voter, but really surprised at how many people are taking these girls suddenly coming out of the woodwork at face value while eye rolling at the Bill Clinton accusations.

Be real, Hilary is just getting down to trumps level in the pig shit wars

Because we have Trump on tape bragging about it?
Seems rather obvious to me.



You mean the tape where he talks how a shit ton of guys talk to each other? No. If you had recordings guys talking to guys of everyone in this chat, 99% of you could be linked to an unrelated sex assault accusation.

Trump is a fucking tool but this wasn't the"scandal" that should have killed him.


Sorry bud, men don't talk about being able to do anything and acting before a woman has time to indicate consent or refuse.
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