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On September 23 2016 06:20 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 06:07 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 05:50 KwarK wrote:
Templar, if you're being a racist asshole and I call you a racist asshole you can't then go "I'm offended by that and I demand you not call me it". Teamliquid is not your safe space. Grow the fuck up. If you want to double down on being racist and calling black people monkeys then get used to people calling you out on it. I'm sure xDaunt can recommend you a few websites where that kind of rhetoric will be more mainstream if you need to go find a hugbox where nobody ever disagrees with you. Why is it so hard to come to terms with the fact that my judgment is not racially motivated. Well we can very easily answer that. We can go on youtube and watch comments on videos where white people riot. We can go on youtube and watch comments on videos where black people riot. Then we can do a quick comparative search of how many times terms like 'vermin' and 'monkey' are used in both samples. Do you want to take this journey with me? Go for it. It's irrelevant to me because I'm not like most people. I'm very unique. You could even call me a special snowflake if you wanted to show some ironic humor
You are magical and cannot be racist, even when you say things that everyone considers racist. The highest level of edgelord.
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On September 23 2016 06:21 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +My problem with it is that it's a militant, lawless organization (to the extent that it is organized) that causes real death and destruction. Right, it's that you fail to realize if the police stop being such a group as you describe, there wouldn't even be a BLM.
I mean that defense makes it sound like you think their actions are ok. While you may be right in why BLM exists, its still not ok to what was done, whether they were BLM or not.
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On September 23 2016 06:20 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 06:07 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 05:50 KwarK wrote:
Templar, if you're being a racist asshole and I call you a racist asshole you can't then go "I'm offended by that and I demand you not call me it". Teamliquid is not your safe space. Grow the fuck up. If you want to double down on being racist and calling black people monkeys then get used to people calling you out on it. I'm sure xDaunt can recommend you a few websites where that kind of rhetoric will be more mainstream if you need to go find a hugbox where nobody ever disagrees with you. Why is it so hard to come to terms with the fact that my judgment is not racially motivated. Well we can very easily answer that. We can go on youtube and watch comments on videos where white people riot. We can go on youtube and watch comments on videos where black people riot. Then we can do a quick comparative search of how many times terms like 'vermin' and 'monkey' are used in both samples. Do you want to take this journey with me? Go for it. It's irrelevant to me because I'm not like most people. I'm very unique. You could even call me a special snowflake if you wanted to show some ironic humor
You asked why it's so hard to understand that your judgement isn't racially motivated. The answer is: cause you're using the same terminology as people whose judgement is racially motivated, in a situation where people whose judgement is racially motivated would use said terminology. It is therefore perfectly rational of us to assume you are one of these people, cause you are talking and behaving exactly like them.
Got it?
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On September 23 2016 06:20 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 06:07 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 05:50 KwarK wrote:
Templar, if you're being a racist asshole and I call you a racist asshole you can't then go "I'm offended by that and I demand you not call me it". Teamliquid is not your safe space. Grow the fuck up. If you want to double down on being racist and calling black people monkeys then get used to people calling you out on it. I'm sure xDaunt can recommend you a few websites where that kind of rhetoric will be more mainstream if you need to go find a hugbox where nobody ever disagrees with you. Why is it so hard to come to terms with the fact that my judgment is not racially motivated. Well we can very easily answer that. We can go on youtube and watch comments on videos where white people riot. We can go on youtube and watch comments on videos where black people riot. Then we can do a quick comparative search of how many times terms like 'vermin' and 'monkey' are used in both samples. Do you want to take this journey with me? Go for it. It's irrelevant to me because I'm not like most people. I'm very unique. You could even call me a special snowflake if you wanted to show some ironic humor
There are plenty of Trump supporters who say things just like you.
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On September 23 2016 06:24 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 06:20 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:07 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 05:50 KwarK wrote:
Templar, if you're being a racist asshole and I call you a racist asshole you can't then go "I'm offended by that and I demand you not call me it". Teamliquid is not your safe space. Grow the fuck up. If you want to double down on being racist and calling black people monkeys then get used to people calling you out on it. I'm sure xDaunt can recommend you a few websites where that kind of rhetoric will be more mainstream if you need to go find a hugbox where nobody ever disagrees with you. Why is it so hard to come to terms with the fact that my judgment is not racially motivated. Well we can very easily answer that. We can go on youtube and watch comments on videos where white people riot. We can go on youtube and watch comments on videos where black people riot. Then we can do a quick comparative search of how many times terms like 'vermin' and 'monkey' are used in both samples. Do you want to take this journey with me? Go for it. It's irrelevant to me because I'm not like most people. I'm very unique. You could even call me a special snowflake if you wanted to show some ironic humor There are plenty of Trump supporters who say things just like you.
A whole basket of them in fact.
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On September 23 2016 06:19 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 06:13 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:06 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 06:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
You are the racist, not me. You're calling black people monkeys. I'm saying that calling black people monkeys and your conclusion is that I'm the racist because how could I possibly infer what you mean deep down in your soul just from the fact that you call black people monkeys, clearly I must be projecting. Welcome to 2016 people. I'm calling people monkeys. People who just happen to be black. But that's not in any way to do with it. How could anyone possibly infer anything from the fact that you call black people you look down on monkeys. Nobody knows what's in your heart and if we don't know what's in your heart then we can't possibly call you a racist because you're offended by that.
I don't know. Maybe watch the video and instead of looking at their skin color look at how they're behaving
'stupidly and deplorably' ought to be thoughts that come to mind
sort of like a monkey
I call stupid people monkeys all the time to myself. I don't get why this is such an issue all humans are evolved from monkeys why do 'blacks' get a monopoly on it?
Seriously, is it racist if I call a stupid white person a monkey?
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I dunno what world you live in where posting a video of black people beating up a white guy with the question: "Is this a hate crime?" doesn't qualify as bringing up the race topic.
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On September 23 2016 06:27 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 06:19 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 06:13 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:06 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 06:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
You are the racist, not me. You're calling black people monkeys. I'm saying that calling black people monkeys and your conclusion is that I'm the racist because how could I possibly infer what you mean deep down in your soul just from the fact that you call black people monkeys, clearly I must be projecting. Welcome to 2016 people. I'm calling people monkeys. People who just happen to be black. But that's not in any way to do with it. How could anyone possibly infer anything from the fact that you call black people you look down on monkeys. Nobody knows what's in your heart and if we don't know what's in your heart then we can't possibly call you a racist because you're offended by that. I don't know. Maybe watch the video and instead of looking at their skin color look at how they're behaving 'stupidly and deplorably' ought to be thoughts that come to mind sort of like a monkey I call stupid people monkeys all the time to myself. I don't get why this is such an issue all humans are evolved from monkeys why do 'blacks' get a monopoly on it?
“It’s not racist if you completely ignore the fact that they are black.”
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On September 23 2016 06:22 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 06:21 GreenHorizons wrote:My problem with it is that it's a militant, lawless organization (to the extent that it is organized) that causes real death and destruction. Right, it's that you fail to realize if the police stop being such a group as you describe, there wouldn't even be a BLM. I mean that defense makes it sound like you think their actions are ok. While you may be right in why BLM exists, its still not ok to what was done, whether they were BLM or not.
BLM's actions are ok, violence is not BLM and is not ok. My point is stop making stuff up about BLM and focus on the people being paid to cause them to exist. The people draining 100's of millions of dollars out of local tax coffers to pay out settlements for murders and manslaughter, etc...
This "I'm just always pointing out what the black people are doing wrong while saying the systemic denial of their constitutional rights isn't a big deal" crap is going to get called out for the racist slop it is.
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On September 23 2016 06:28 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 06:27 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:19 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 06:13 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:06 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 06:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
You are the racist, not me. You're calling black people monkeys. I'm saying that calling black people monkeys and your conclusion is that I'm the racist because how could I possibly infer what you mean deep down in your soul just from the fact that you call black people monkeys, clearly I must be projecting. Welcome to 2016 people. I'm calling people monkeys. People who just happen to be black. But that's not in any way to do with it. How could anyone possibly infer anything from the fact that you call black people you look down on monkeys. Nobody knows what's in your heart and if we don't know what's in your heart then we can't possibly call you a racist because you're offended by that. I don't know. Maybe watch the video and instead of looking at their skin color look at how they're behaving 'stupidly and deplorably' ought to be thoughts that come to mind sort of like a monkey I call stupid people monkeys all the time to myself. I don't get why this is such an issue all humans are evolved from monkeys why do 'blacks' get a monopoly on it? “It’s not racist if you completely ignore the fact that they are black.”
"What the hell kind of country is this where I can only hate a man if he's white?"
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On September 23 2016 06:25 Barrin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 06:04 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 06:01 Rebs wrote:On September 23 2016 06:00 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 05:58 xDaunt wrote:On September 23 2016 05:55 Sermokala wrote:On September 23 2016 05:54 Rebs wrote:On September 23 2016 05:51 xDaunt wrote:On September 23 2016 05:43 oBlade wrote:
It's not blackness, it's the rioting, looting, assaults, and arson. If you want to make this about race it's somehow suggesting these are aspects of black identity, which is absurd. Surely you can argue how arsonists are people too without making it a racial issue. This is what's so hilarious. It's the liberals who make everything about race. My comments have been completely race neutral, yet here we have the usual suspects trying to contort what I'm saying into a racist attack. This is why the PC left is so intellectually bankrupt and why the assault upon them by the alt right has been so successful and will continue to be so. None of the liberals here brought up race. Your friend GG did. To be fair Plansix gets baited pretty easily and then it just rolled from there. If you are going to accuse people of doing something get your facts in order. People brought up race instantly saying that he wanted to call the rioters monkeys but couldn't beacuse then people would know hes a racist what are you talking about. Yep. This situation is a good example of why I try to limit my interactions with people who fail at basic reading comprehension. It just isn't productive. You must be so proud of your trolling here. You used the term 'vermin' specifically so that there would be a flame war on it. That's kind of childish for a smart guy, but hey, whatever. Yeah at this point its not even subtle. Its just baiting and sitting quietly looking for a circle jerk to latch onto. On September 23 2016 06:01 Plansix wrote:On September 23 2016 05:59 GreenHorizons wrote:On September 23 2016 05:54 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 05:51 xDaunt wrote:On September 23 2016 05:43 oBlade wrote:
It's not blackness, it's the rioting, looting, assaults, and arson. If you want to make this about race it's somehow suggesting these are aspects of black identity, which is absurd. Surely you can argue how arsonists are people too without making it a racial issue. This is what's so hilarious. It's the liberals who make everything about race. My comments have been completely race neutral, yet here we have the usual suspects trying to contort what I'm saying into a racist attack. This is why the PC left is so intellectually bankrupt and why the assault upon them by the alt right has been so successful and will continue to be so. You said BLM are vermin. I don't know if you're unaware what the B in BLM stands for. Perhaps you were referring to the Bureau of Land Management. Actually, you know what, I'm done giving you the benefit of the doubt. You're a racist. Finally. Of all the things GH and I disagree one. This is our common ground. I'm just surprised it to everyone else so long to get here. Frankly i would still be giving him the benefit of the doubt because he didnt specifically say BLM. But I suppose at this point you can say you know what he meant,. No, he did specifically say it. "mayors where BLM is wreaking havoc needs to grow a pair and clear the vermin out." BLM were quite clearly the vermin being referred to there. Indeed. There is quite a difference between saying those people are "acting like" vermin and literally calling them vermin. I'd say that's all the difference when it comes to dehumanizing. And anyone complaining about safe spaces might want to re-read TL Commandment #1.
So when Hillary chose a basket of deplorables instead of their actions, that was when you also decided it was dehumanizing when she said it. The difference for me is if you excuse one group for their politics.
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On September 23 2016 06:28 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 06:27 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:19 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 06:13 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:06 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 06:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
You are the racist, not me. You're calling black people monkeys. I'm saying that calling black people monkeys and your conclusion is that I'm the racist because how could I possibly infer what you mean deep down in your soul just from the fact that you call black people monkeys, clearly I must be projecting. Welcome to 2016 people. I'm calling people monkeys. People who just happen to be black. But that's not in any way to do with it. How could anyone possibly infer anything from the fact that you call black people you look down on monkeys. Nobody knows what's in your heart and if we don't know what's in your heart then we can't possibly call you a racist because you're offended by that. I don't know. Maybe watch the video and instead of looking at their skin color look at how they're behaving 'stupidly and deplorably' ought to be thoughts that come to mind sort of like a monkey I call stupid people monkeys all the time to myself. I don't get why this is such an issue all humans are evolved from monkeys why do 'blacks' get a monopoly on it? “It’s not racist if you completely ignore the fact that they are black.”
LOL
I mean, do we just define racism differently?
Ignoring race and looking past skin colors at the humans behind them is supposed to be the antithesis to racism
Why is this suddenly a revolutionary idea?
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The problem is that terms like monkey is rarely applied to white people, even when they are doing bad things. It is however, very common as an insult to non white people by those who dislike whatever race they are insulting. So yes, using terms like vermin, monkey, etc are racially charged because they aren't used against white people and in fact have been used against blacks and other minorities for a long time. This should be well known. Monkey especially has been used for ages as a slur against black people.
I put a question to those defending the use of animal terms here: Why did your brain pick those words specifically? Do you think you are exempt from the unconscious biases we all have? There are things we aren't aware of that influence how and what conclusions we arrive at when decision making.
Also as a side note, yet again another toxic argument sprang up because some video of shitheads doing bad things. Can't we all agree that there are extremely bad people out there and that they are members of all possible kinds of groups humans form? Right/Left/Rich/Poor/Man/Woman/Police/Civilian/Politician whatever. They exist and will continue to do shitty things. Posting a few examples as some gotcha is simply a lazy way to make a point.
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On September 23 2016 06:24 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 06:20 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:07 Nebuchad wrote:On September 23 2016 06:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 05:50 KwarK wrote:
Templar, if you're being a racist asshole and I call you a racist asshole you can't then go "I'm offended by that and I demand you not call me it". Teamliquid is not your safe space. Grow the fuck up. If you want to double down on being racist and calling black people monkeys then get used to people calling you out on it. I'm sure xDaunt can recommend you a few websites where that kind of rhetoric will be more mainstream if you need to go find a hugbox where nobody ever disagrees with you. Why is it so hard to come to terms with the fact that my judgment is not racially motivated. Well we can very easily answer that. We can go on youtube and watch comments on videos where white people riot. We can go on youtube and watch comments on videos where black people riot. Then we can do a quick comparative search of how many times terms like 'vermin' and 'monkey' are used in both samples. Do you want to take this journey with me? Go for it. It's irrelevant to me because I'm not like most people. I'm very unique. You could even call me a special snowflake if you wanted to show some ironic humor There are plenty of Trump supporters who say things just like you.
There are plenty of people who breath oxygen as well. I don't think that makes me any less unique of an individual. This is quite the interesting tangent you've wanted to comment on
On September 23 2016 06:31 Barrin wrote:
To most intelligent US citizens, the term 'monkey' in this context is by all means a racial slur.
I disagree. Maybe we have different standards of 'intelligent'
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On September 23 2016 06:29 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 06:28 Plansix wrote:On September 23 2016 06:27 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:19 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 06:13 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:06 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 06:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
You are the racist, not me. You're calling black people monkeys. I'm saying that calling black people monkeys and your conclusion is that I'm the racist because how could I possibly infer what you mean deep down in your soul just from the fact that you call black people monkeys, clearly I must be projecting. Welcome to 2016 people. I'm calling people monkeys. People who just happen to be black. But that's not in any way to do with it. How could anyone possibly infer anything from the fact that you call black people you look down on monkeys. Nobody knows what's in your heart and if we don't know what's in your heart then we can't possibly call you a racist because you're offended by that. I don't know. Maybe watch the video and instead of looking at their skin color look at how they're behaving 'stupidly and deplorably' ought to be thoughts that come to mind sort of like a monkey I call stupid people monkeys all the time to myself. I don't get why this is such an issue all humans are evolved from monkeys why do 'blacks' get a monopoly on it? “It’s not racist if you completely ignore the fact that they are black.” "What the hell kind of country is this where I can only hate a man if he's white?"
You can hate him, and calling him a monkey has no context.
Whereas black people who were persecuted for centuries were called said things and worse. Which means there is a connection. Do you see the connection ?
I guess not.
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On September 23 2016 06:29 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 06:28 Plansix wrote:On September 23 2016 06:27 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:19 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 06:13 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:06 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 06:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
You are the racist, not me. You're calling black people monkeys. I'm saying that calling black people monkeys and your conclusion is that I'm the racist because how could I possibly infer what you mean deep down in your soul just from the fact that you call black people monkeys, clearly I must be projecting. Welcome to 2016 people. I'm calling people monkeys. People who just happen to be black. But that's not in any way to do with it. How could anyone possibly infer anything from the fact that you call black people you look down on monkeys. Nobody knows what's in your heart and if we don't know what's in your heart then we can't possibly call you a racist because you're offended by that. I don't know. Maybe watch the video and instead of looking at their skin color look at how they're behaving 'stupidly and deplorably' ought to be thoughts that come to mind sort of like a monkey I call stupid people monkeys all the time to myself. I don't get why this is such an issue all humans are evolved from monkeys why do 'blacks' get a monopoly on it? “It’s not racist if you completely ignore the fact that they are black.” "What the hell kind of country is this where I can only hate a man if he's white?"
"The only way I can hate people is by calling them racist epithets."
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On September 23 2016 06:27 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2016 06:19 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 06:13 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On September 23 2016 06:06 KwarK wrote:On September 23 2016 06:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
You are the racist, not me. You're calling black people monkeys. I'm saying that calling black people monkeys and your conclusion is that I'm the racist because how could I possibly infer what you mean deep down in your soul just from the fact that you call black people monkeys, clearly I must be projecting. Welcome to 2016 people. I'm calling people monkeys. People who just happen to be black. But that's not in any way to do with it. How could anyone possibly infer anything from the fact that you call black people you look down on monkeys. Nobody knows what's in your heart and if we don't know what's in your heart then we can't possibly call you a racist because you're offended by that. I don't know. Maybe watch the video and instead of looking at their skin color look at how they're behaving 'stupidly and deplorably' ought to be thoughts that come to mind sort of like a monkey I call stupid people monkeys all the time to myself. I don't get why this is such an issue all humans are evolved from monkeys why do 'blacks' get a monopoly on it?
Context is why it's racist when you call a black person a monkey.
Hell, you might as well say that nigger is just a word, just two syllables created by pushing air through your vocal chords and mouth. So how can a sound, when directed at a specific person, be racist?
It's racist to call black people monkeys because of the history of treating them as subhumans which was composed of a whole lot of shitty science telling people that black people are biologically inferior to whites and as such should be enslaved and exploited. Calling a white guy a monkey doesn't mean anything because we're all agreed that whites are, at the very least, just as good as all the other humans. There is no historical context there. Calling a black guy a monkey is a direct reference to the persistent belief that black people are subhuman. But you know all this. You're not an idiot, you just pretend to be one when you get called out. Nobody is unaware that for a good 300 years people insisted that blacks were a lesser animal while enslaving and exploiting them.
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Yeah, monkey is a term which has a history of being used to refer to black people specifically as subhumans, animals, etc. So maybe now that we've established that we can agree either not to use it or that continued deliberate usage is willfully being a twat because ignorance isn't really an excuse anymore.
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