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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 22 2016 21:08 GMT
#102061
On September 23 2016 06:06 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2016 06:00 Nebuchad wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:58 xDaunt wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:55 Sermokala wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:54 Rebs wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:51 xDaunt wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:43 oBlade wrote:
It's not blackness, it's the rioting, looting, assaults, and arson. If you want to make this about race it's somehow suggesting these are aspects of black identity, which is absurd. Surely you can argue how arsonists are people too without making it a racial issue.


This is what's so hilarious. It's the liberals who make everything about race. My comments have been completely race neutral, yet here we have the usual suspects trying to contort what I'm saying into a racist attack. This is why the PC left is so intellectually bankrupt and why the assault upon them by the alt right has been so successful and will continue to be so.


None of the liberals here brought up race. Your friend GG did. To be fair Plansix gets baited pretty easily and then it just rolled from there.

If you are going to accuse people of doing something get your facts in order.

People brought up race instantly saying that he wanted to call the rioters monkeys but couldn't beacuse then people would know hes a racist what are you talking about.

Yep. This situation is a good example of why I try to limit my interactions with people who fail at basic reading comprehension. It just isn't productive.


You must be so proud of your trolling here. You used the term 'vermin' specifically so that there would be a flame war on it. That's kind of childish for a smart guy, but hey, whatever.


What trolling? Who is going to disagree with the proposition that looters and rioters are vermin? I honestly don't give a fuck what race they are. I can't help it if you guys want to make the conversation about race instead of law and order. That's your prerogative, even if it means exposing some very ugly and unpleasant truths about some of your values.

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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23305 Posts
September 22 2016 21:09 GMT
#102062
On September 23 2016 06:06 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2016 06:00 Nebuchad wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:58 xDaunt wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:55 Sermokala wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:54 Rebs wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:51 xDaunt wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:43 oBlade wrote:
It's not blackness, it's the rioting, looting, assaults, and arson. If you want to make this about race it's somehow suggesting these are aspects of black identity, which is absurd. Surely you can argue how arsonists are people too without making it a racial issue.


This is what's so hilarious. It's the liberals who make everything about race. My comments have been completely race neutral, yet here we have the usual suspects trying to contort what I'm saying into a racist attack. This is why the PC left is so intellectually bankrupt and why the assault upon them by the alt right has been so successful and will continue to be so.


None of the liberals here brought up race. Your friend GG did. To be fair Plansix gets baited pretty easily and then it just rolled from there.

If you are going to accuse people of doing something get your facts in order.

People brought up race instantly saying that he wanted to call the rioters monkeys but couldn't beacuse then people would know hes a racist what are you talking about.

Yep. This situation is a good example of why I try to limit my interactions with people who fail at basic reading comprehension. It just isn't productive.


You must be so proud of your trolling here. You used the term 'vermin' specifically so that there would be a flame war on it. That's kind of childish for a smart guy, but hey, whatever.


What trolling? Who is going to disagree with the proposition that looters and rioters are vermin? I honestly don't give a fuck what race they are. I can't help it if you guys want to make the conversation about race instead of law and order. That's your prerogative, even if it means exposing some very ugly and unpleasant truths about some of your values.


Bruh...

where BLM is wreaking havoc


Just own it, I'd respect you more.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
September 22 2016 21:09 GMT
#102063
On September 23 2016 06:00 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2016 05:59 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:57 Rebs wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:55 Sermokala wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:54 Rebs wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:51 xDaunt wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:43 oBlade wrote:
It's not blackness, it's the rioting, looting, assaults, and arson. If you want to make this about race it's somehow suggesting these are aspects of black identity, which is absurd. Surely you can argue how arsonists are people too without making it a racial issue.


This is what's so hilarious. It's the liberals who make everything about race. My comments have been completely race neutral, yet here we have the usual suspects trying to contort what I'm saying into a racist attack. This is why the PC left is so intellectually bankrupt and why the assault upon them by the alt right has been so successful and will continue to be so.


None of the liberals here brought up race. Your friend GG did. To be fair Plansix gets baited pretty easily and then it just rolled from there.

If you are going to accuse people of doing something get your facts in order.

People brought up race instantly saying that he wanted to call the rioters monkeys but couldn't beacuse then people would know hes a racist what are you talking about.


Yes, but HE brought it up. No one was talking about race until his little tantrum. Up until then everything was race neutral.


I suggest you go reread like I did because you're still confused about the fact that I didn't bring up race

Stop spreading lies; it's deplorable


I did, this is the first instance of race I can find in the discussion since it was raised..

Show nested quote +
On September 23 2016 05:21 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
*Call everyone supporting Drumpf over Clinton deplorable*

Oh that's okay they are they deserve it

*Call violent criminals attacking someone begging for mercy thugs*

RACIST FILTH!

Oh thread, never change


edit: + Show Spoiler +
not including ticklish playing devils advocate.



This is the first mention of race

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5098#101952

I've gone and compiled every further mention of race and racism prior to my post you seem to think 'started it'

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5099#101962
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5099#101970
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5099#101971
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5099#101974
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5099#101975
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5099#101976

Hopefully this is enough for you to stop lying that I somehow brought race to it when it race/racism was already being discussed by multiple people
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 22 2016 21:10 GMT
#102064
On September 23 2016 05:22 Rebs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2016 05:15 Danglars wrote:
On September 23 2016 04:13 Rebs wrote:
On September 23 2016 03:53 biology]major wrote:
If the races were reversed in that clip, just imagine the national outrage.


Well atleast he didnt get shot.

But yeah anyone who even touched a hair on that guys head for whatever reason should be having a mugshot taken imo.

White man getting beat up but should be happy he didn't get shot? Seriously?


It was a joke, a deliberately bad one. My followup to that comment should have made it obvious. Maybe if you didnt flare up and read the entire thing...

Sometimes the line between a joke in very bad taste and the serious assertion really gets blurred here. I know people here would believe a white man would be more likely to be beat up in a police encounter than shot compared to someone of darker skin. Aside: I wouldn't demand his firing over it.

On September 23 2016 05:33 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2016 05:27 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:25 Plansix wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:23 zlefin wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:21 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
*Call everyone supporting Trump over Clinton deplorable*

Oh that's okay they are they deserve it

*Call violent criminals attacking someone begging for mercy thugs*

RACIST FILTH!

Oh thread, never change

strawman and lie about what was actually said and done to look better?

par for the course.

improvement happens when you act better than the other side.

As always: Name calling =/= dehumanizing. Vermin was used because monkeys would be a little to telling.


It's okay to dehumanize Trump voters but not criminals

got it.

Hi,

Deplorable means they're shitty humans. Humans who you deplore. Deploring is a thing a human does towards an act, actor or human created state of affairs which they condemn as being contrary to good or moral conduct. Nobody ever called a bad dog deplorable, I think sentience, either of the deplorable individual or of the people who allowed the deplorable thing, is probably a prerequisite because without it you can't really act in a shitty way. There is an implicit moral judgement there.

Vermin means non human parasitic creatures which need to be exterminated. If you're at the point where you're calling black people vermin something has probably gone wrong. Which it has in the cause of xDaunt. He has clearly lost the plot since Trump became candidate.

Deplorable recognizes the central humanity of the people who are deplorable or who are doing the deplorable things or who created the deplorable conditions by essentially arguing that they should know better. Rats don't come in good or evil, rats just come in rats, you just poison them.

Now we got to make the case that calling a group of human beings a "basket of deplorables" is dehumanizing? You say the only measure to be met is simply acknowledging a moral aspect of any kind. This is the language going to shit. Back when I learned the word, only actions and behaviors could be said to be deplorable, because humans ought not be portrayed with that wide brush, being capable of moral action beyond the dehumanizing insult.
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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-22 21:11:55
September 22 2016 21:11 GMT
#102065
On September 23 2016 06:07 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2016 06:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:50 KwarK wrote:
Templar, if you're being a racist asshole and I call you a racist asshole you can't then go "I'm offended by that and I demand you not call me it". Teamliquid is not your safe space. Grow the fuck up. If you want to double down on being racist and calling black people monkeys then get used to people calling you out on it. I'm sure xDaunt can recommend you a few websites where that kind of rhetoric will be more mainstream if you need to go find a hugbox where nobody ever disagrees with you.


I'm not dehumanizing black people I'm calling criminals acting like animals criminals acting like animals

If you call me a racist asshole I don't give a shit because you're wrong. I'm not a racist any more than any rational thinking, educated human being

If you get mad when I call someone a monkey because they happen to be black then you're the fucking racist.

Why is it so hard to come to terms with the fact that my judgment is not racially motivated. The video of these people showed them acting like monkeys. It doesn't matter what color their skin are to me, what matters is how they acted.

What matters to you is their skin color.

You are the racist, not me.

Welcome to the real world, where you can't call black people monkeys and not be called a racist.


I mean if you insist on being irrational that's on you.

I'm already living in the real world. People are wrong all the time. I welcome myself to the real world.

There's nothing logical or rational about dictating if you call someone a 'monkey' then it's immediately racist, but only under the caveat that they are black. It's an entirely emotional, and ironically racist in itself, conclusion
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23305 Posts
September 22 2016 21:13 GMT
#102066
On September 23 2016 06:11 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2016 06:07 Plansix wrote:
On September 23 2016 06:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:50 KwarK wrote:
Templar, if you're being a racist asshole and I call you a racist asshole you can't then go "I'm offended by that and I demand you not call me it". Teamliquid is not your safe space. Grow the fuck up. If you want to double down on being racist and calling black people monkeys then get used to people calling you out on it. I'm sure xDaunt can recommend you a few websites where that kind of rhetoric will be more mainstream if you need to go find a hugbox where nobody ever disagrees with you.


I'm not dehumanizing black people I'm calling criminals acting like animals criminals acting like animals

If you call me a racist asshole I don't give a shit because you're wrong. I'm not a racist any more than any rational thinking, educated human being

If you get mad when I call someone a monkey because they happen to be black then you're the fucking racist.

Why is it so hard to come to terms with the fact that my judgment is not racially motivated. The video of these people showed them acting like monkeys. It doesn't matter what color their skin are to me, what matters is how they acted.

What matters to you is their skin color.

You are the racist, not me.

Welcome to the real world, where you can't call black people monkeys and not be called a racist.


I mean if you insist on being irrational that's on you.

I'm already living in the real world. People are wrong all the time. I welcome myself to the real world.

There's nothing logical or rational about dictating if you call someone a 'monkey' then it's immediately racist, but only under the caveat that they are black. It's an entirely emotional, and ironically racist in itself, conclusion


I suppose if the person wanted to operate from the position that they were a ignorant moron, there may be nothing racist about it.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-22 21:14:47
September 22 2016 21:13 GMT
#102067
On September 23 2016 06:06 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2016 06:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
You are the racist, not me.

You're calling black people monkeys. I'm saying that calling black people monkeys and your conclusion is that I'm the racist because how could I possibly infer what you mean deep down in your soul just from the fact that you call black people monkeys, clearly I must be projecting. Welcome to 2016 people.


I'm calling people monkeys.

People who happen to be acting violently and criminally. People assaulting someone and acting like monkeys as they do it.

The fact that they are black is relevant to you, not to me. That is the definition of racism.

Not that it matters but I'll say it again. On a weekly basis I see someone acting like a moron and think to myself how much they're acting like a fucking monkey. More often than not this is a white person I am thinking of.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
September 22 2016 21:14 GMT
#102068
Everyone knows xDaunt and ggtemplar have used the words vermin and monkeys to refer to police officers who kill people unnecessarily. And other non-black criminals who have been brought up. They are just being consistent here.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 22 2016 21:14 GMT
#102069
On September 23 2016 06:09 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2016 06:06 xDaunt wrote:
On September 23 2016 06:00 Nebuchad wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:58 xDaunt wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:55 Sermokala wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:54 Rebs wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:51 xDaunt wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:43 oBlade wrote:
It's not blackness, it's the rioting, looting, assaults, and arson. If you want to make this about race it's somehow suggesting these are aspects of black identity, which is absurd. Surely you can argue how arsonists are people too without making it a racial issue.


This is what's so hilarious. It's the liberals who make everything about race. My comments have been completely race neutral, yet here we have the usual suspects trying to contort what I'm saying into a racist attack. This is why the PC left is so intellectually bankrupt and why the assault upon them by the alt right has been so successful and will continue to be so.


None of the liberals here brought up race. Your friend GG did. To be fair Plansix gets baited pretty easily and then it just rolled from there.

If you are going to accuse people of doing something get your facts in order.

People brought up race instantly saying that he wanted to call the rioters monkeys but couldn't beacuse then people would know hes a racist what are you talking about.

Yep. This situation is a good example of why I try to limit my interactions with people who fail at basic reading comprehension. It just isn't productive.


You must be so proud of your trolling here. You used the term 'vermin' specifically so that there would be a flame war on it. That's kind of childish for a smart guy, but hey, whatever.


What trolling? Who is going to disagree with the proposition that looters and rioters are vermin? I honestly don't give a fuck what race they are. I can't help it if you guys want to make the conversation about race instead of law and order. That's your prerogative, even if it means exposing some very ugly and unpleasant truths about some of your values.


Bruh...

Show nested quote +
where BLM is wreaking havoc


Just own it, I'd respect you more.

There is nothing to own. My ultimate point goes to law and order -- not race. My problem with BLM is not that it is (in the most charitable terms possible) a black rights advocacy group. My problem with it is that it's a militant, lawless organization (to the extent that it is organized) that causes real death and destruction.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12267 Posts
September 22 2016 21:16 GMT
#102070
On September 23 2016 06:11 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2016 06:07 Plansix wrote:
On September 23 2016 06:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:50 KwarK wrote:
Templar, if you're being a racist asshole and I call you a racist asshole you can't then go "I'm offended by that and I demand you not call me it". Teamliquid is not your safe space. Grow the fuck up. If you want to double down on being racist and calling black people monkeys then get used to people calling you out on it. I'm sure xDaunt can recommend you a few websites where that kind of rhetoric will be more mainstream if you need to go find a hugbox where nobody ever disagrees with you.


I'm not dehumanizing black people I'm calling criminals acting like animals criminals acting like animals

If you call me a racist asshole I don't give a shit because you're wrong. I'm not a racist any more than any rational thinking, educated human being

If you get mad when I call someone a monkey because they happen to be black then you're the fucking racist.

Why is it so hard to come to terms with the fact that my judgment is not racially motivated. The video of these people showed them acting like monkeys. It doesn't matter what color their skin are to me, what matters is how they acted.

What matters to you is their skin color.

You are the racist, not me.

Welcome to the real world, where you can't call black people monkeys and not be called a racist.


There's nothing logical or rational about dictating if you call someone a 'monkey' then it's immediately racist, but only under the caveat that they are black. It's an entirely emotional, and ironically racist in itself, conclusion


When a racist person calls a black man a monkey, he's refering to the idea that black people aren't really human, they're not really of the same species. He's also projecting the image that black people kind of look like monkeys to him cause, you know, black people are black, and monkeys are black (very sophisticated as you can see). There is a vast history on associating black people and monkeys in racist circles.

Meanwhile, when you call a white person a monkey, you're not refering to any particular history of racism. Which is why it's not generally viewed as racist.

So yeah, you're right, a double standard exists. It's there to address the fact that the two standards are different.
No will to live, no wish to die
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
September 22 2016 21:16 GMT
#102071
On September 23 2016 06:13 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2016 06:11 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On September 23 2016 06:07 Plansix wrote:
On September 23 2016 06:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:50 KwarK wrote:
Templar, if you're being a racist asshole and I call you a racist asshole you can't then go "I'm offended by that and I demand you not call me it". Teamliquid is not your safe space. Grow the fuck up. If you want to double down on being racist and calling black people monkeys then get used to people calling you out on it. I'm sure xDaunt can recommend you a few websites where that kind of rhetoric will be more mainstream if you need to go find a hugbox where nobody ever disagrees with you.


I'm not dehumanizing black people I'm calling criminals acting like animals criminals acting like animals

If you call me a racist asshole I don't give a shit because you're wrong. I'm not a racist any more than any rational thinking, educated human being

If you get mad when I call someone a monkey because they happen to be black then you're the fucking racist.

Why is it so hard to come to terms with the fact that my judgment is not racially motivated. The video of these people showed them acting like monkeys. It doesn't matter what color their skin are to me, what matters is how they acted.

What matters to you is their skin color.

You are the racist, not me.

Welcome to the real world, where you can't call black people monkeys and not be called a racist.


I mean if you insist on being irrational that's on you.

I'm already living in the real world. People are wrong all the time. I welcome myself to the real world.

There's nothing logical or rational about dictating if you call someone a 'monkey' then it's immediately racist, but only under the caveat that they are black. It's an entirely emotional, and ironically racist in itself, conclusion


I suppose if the person wanted to operate from the position that they were a ignorant moron, there may be nothing racist about it.


I'm being completely sincere when I say this

This is why I think you're a severely underestimated poster. Honestly one of the better/best posters in this thread.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 22 2016 21:17 GMT
#102072
On September 23 2016 06:14 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2016 06:09 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 23 2016 06:06 xDaunt wrote:
On September 23 2016 06:00 Nebuchad wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:58 xDaunt wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:55 Sermokala wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:54 Rebs wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:51 xDaunt wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:43 oBlade wrote:
It's not blackness, it's the rioting, looting, assaults, and arson. If you want to make this about race it's somehow suggesting these are aspects of black identity, which is absurd. Surely you can argue how arsonists are people too without making it a racial issue.


This is what's so hilarious. It's the liberals who make everything about race. My comments have been completely race neutral, yet here we have the usual suspects trying to contort what I'm saying into a racist attack. This is why the PC left is so intellectually bankrupt and why the assault upon them by the alt right has been so successful and will continue to be so.


None of the liberals here brought up race. Your friend GG did. To be fair Plansix gets baited pretty easily and then it just rolled from there.

If you are going to accuse people of doing something get your facts in order.

People brought up race instantly saying that he wanted to call the rioters monkeys but couldn't beacuse then people would know hes a racist what are you talking about.

Yep. This situation is a good example of why I try to limit my interactions with people who fail at basic reading comprehension. It just isn't productive.


You must be so proud of your trolling here. You used the term 'vermin' specifically so that there would be a flame war on it. That's kind of childish for a smart guy, but hey, whatever.


What trolling? Who is going to disagree with the proposition that looters and rioters are vermin? I honestly don't give a fuck what race they are. I can't help it if you guys want to make the conversation about race instead of law and order. That's your prerogative, even if it means exposing some very ugly and unpleasant truths about some of your values.


Bruh...

where BLM is wreaking havoc


Just own it, I'd respect you more.

There is nothing to own. My ultimate point goes to law and order -- not race. My problem with BLM is not that it is (in the most charitable terms possible) a black rights advocacy group. My problem with it is that it's a militant, lawless organization (to the extent that it is organized) that causes real death and destruction.

I hear Nixon made the same argument about being the law and order guy. He was talking about cracking down on “urban communities filled with blacks and lefties” but he was all about that Law and Order.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 22 2016 21:18 GMT
#102073
On September 23 2016 06:16 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
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On September 23 2016 06:13 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 23 2016 06:11 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On September 23 2016 06:07 Plansix wrote:
On September 23 2016 06:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:50 KwarK wrote:
Templar, if you're being a racist asshole and I call you a racist asshole you can't then go "I'm offended by that and I demand you not call me it". Teamliquid is not your safe space. Grow the fuck up. If you want to double down on being racist and calling black people monkeys then get used to people calling you out on it. I'm sure xDaunt can recommend you a few websites where that kind of rhetoric will be more mainstream if you need to go find a hugbox where nobody ever disagrees with you.


I'm not dehumanizing black people I'm calling criminals acting like animals criminals acting like animals

If you call me a racist asshole I don't give a shit because you're wrong. I'm not a racist any more than any rational thinking, educated human being

If you get mad when I call someone a monkey because they happen to be black then you're the fucking racist.

Why is it so hard to come to terms with the fact that my judgment is not racially motivated. The video of these people showed them acting like monkeys. It doesn't matter what color their skin are to me, what matters is how they acted.

What matters to you is their skin color.

You are the racist, not me.

Welcome to the real world, where you can't call black people monkeys and not be called a racist.


I mean if you insist on being irrational that's on you.

I'm already living in the real world. People are wrong all the time. I welcome myself to the real world.

There's nothing logical or rational about dictating if you call someone a 'monkey' then it's immediately racist, but only under the caveat that they are black. It's an entirely emotional, and ironically racist in itself, conclusion


I suppose if the person wanted to operate from the position that they were a ignorant moron, there may be nothing racist about it.


I'm being completely sincere when I say this

This is why I think you're a severely underestimated poster. Honestly one of the better/best posters in this thread.

So now that you are no longer ignorant, you are going to stop because you now know its racist?
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12267 Posts
September 22 2016 21:19 GMT
#102074
On September 23 2016 06:14 Doodsmack wrote:
Everyone knows xDaunt and ggtemplar have used the words vermin and monkeys to refer to police officers who kill people unnecessarily. And other non-black criminals who have been brought up. They are just being consistent here.


Of course not, as you know, police officers aren't acting like monkeys when they do that, it's a very subtle difference.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42983 Posts
September 22 2016 21:19 GMT
#102075
On September 23 2016 06:13 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
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On September 23 2016 06:06 KwarK wrote:
On September 23 2016 06:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
You are the racist, not me.

You're calling black people monkeys. I'm saying that calling black people monkeys and your conclusion is that I'm the racist because how could I possibly infer what you mean deep down in your soul just from the fact that you call black people monkeys, clearly I must be projecting. Welcome to 2016 people.


I'm calling people monkeys.

People who just happen to be black. But that's not in any way to do with it. How could anyone possibly infer anything from the fact that you call black people you look down on monkeys. Nobody knows what's in your heart and if we don't know what's in your heart then we can't possibly call you a racist because you're offended by that.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
September 22 2016 21:19 GMT
#102076
On September 23 2016 06:06 xDaunt wrote:
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On September 23 2016 06:00 Nebuchad wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:58 xDaunt wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:55 Sermokala wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:54 Rebs wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:51 xDaunt wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:43 oBlade wrote:
It's not blackness, it's the rioting, looting, assaults, and arson. If you want to make this about race it's somehow suggesting these are aspects of black identity, which is absurd. Surely you can argue how arsonists are people too without making it a racial issue.


This is what's so hilarious. It's the liberals who make everything about race. My comments have been completely race neutral, yet here we have the usual suspects trying to contort what I'm saying into a racist attack. This is why the PC left is so intellectually bankrupt and why the assault upon them by the alt right has been so successful and will continue to be so.


None of the liberals here brought up race. Your friend GG did. To be fair Plansix gets baited pretty easily and then it just rolled from there.

If you are going to accuse people of doing something get your facts in order.

People brought up race instantly saying that he wanted to call the rioters monkeys but couldn't beacuse then people would know hes a racist what are you talking about.

Yep. This situation is a good example of why I try to limit my interactions with people who fail at basic reading comprehension. It just isn't productive.


You must be so proud of your trolling here. You used the term 'vermin' specifically so that there would be a flame war on it. That's kind of childish for a smart guy, but hey, whatever.


What trolling? Who is going to disagree with the proposition that looters and rioters are vermin? I honestly don't give a fuck what race they are. I can't help it if you guys want to make the conversation about race instead of law and order. That's your prerogative, even if it means exposing some very ugly and unpleasant truths about some of your values.

At this point, I don't think any more exposure is necessary. The cesspool of values is on bright display.

When do we get Obama spending two minutes denouncing violence and twenty minutes both justifying the underlying hate and attacking the deplorables in society?
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Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-22 21:24:08
September 22 2016 21:19 GMT
#102077
On September 23 2016 06:09 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
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On September 23 2016 06:00 Rebs wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:59 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:57 Rebs wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:55 Sermokala wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:54 Rebs wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:51 xDaunt wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:43 oBlade wrote:
It's not blackness, it's the rioting, looting, assaults, and arson. If you want to make this about race it's somehow suggesting these are aspects of black identity, which is absurd. Surely you can argue how arsonists are people too without making it a racial issue.


This is what's so hilarious. It's the liberals who make everything about race. My comments have been completely race neutral, yet here we have the usual suspects trying to contort what I'm saying into a racist attack. This is why the PC left is so intellectually bankrupt and why the assault upon them by the alt right has been so successful and will continue to be so.


None of the liberals here brought up race. Your friend GG did. To be fair Plansix gets baited pretty easily and then it just rolled from there.

If you are going to accuse people of doing something get your facts in order.

People brought up race instantly saying that he wanted to call the rioters monkeys but couldn't beacuse then people would know hes a racist what are you talking about.


Yes, but HE brought it up. No one was talking about race until his little tantrum. Up until then everything was race neutral.


I suggest you go reread like I did because you're still confused about the fact that I didn't bring up race

Stop spreading lies; it's deplorable


I did, this is the first instance of race I can find in the discussion since it was raised..

On September 23 2016 05:21 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
*Call everyone supporting Drumpf over Clinton deplorable*

Oh that's okay they are they deserve it

*Call violent criminals attacking someone begging for mercy thugs*

RACIST FILTH!

Oh thread, never change


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not including ticklish playing devils advocate.



This is the first mention of race

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5098#101952

I've gone and compiled every further mention of race and racism prior to my post you seem to think 'started it'

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5099#101962
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5099#101970
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5099#101971
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5099#101974
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5099#101975
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/general/383301-us-politics-mega-thread?page=5099#101976

Hopefully this is enough for you to stop lying that I somehow brought race to it when it race/racism was already being discussed by multiple people


None of those comments asserts that it was racist behavior. They were all descriptive. Because thats actually what happened. A bunch of black people beat up a white man. What did you want them to say ?

"X bad people attacked y person ?" None of that is particularly racially charged.

I still disagree that race was a big component of the discussion until you flared up about it. And again none of those people even close to suggested that it was ok. Which is also what you flared up about.

The main component of the discussion was dont call people vermin period.

GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
September 22 2016 21:20 GMT
#102078
On September 23 2016 06:07 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2016 06:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:50 KwarK wrote:
Templar, if you're being a racist asshole and I call you a racist asshole you can't then go "I'm offended by that and I demand you not call me it". Teamliquid is not your safe space. Grow the fuck up. If you want to double down on being racist and calling black people monkeys then get used to people calling you out on it. I'm sure xDaunt can recommend you a few websites where that kind of rhetoric will be more mainstream if you need to go find a hugbox where nobody ever disagrees with you.


Why is it so hard to come to terms with the fact that my judgment is not racially motivated.


Well we can very easily answer that.

We can go on youtube and watch comments on videos where white people riot.

We can go on youtube and watch comments on videos where black people riot.

Then we can do a quick comparative search of how many times terms like 'vermin' and 'monkey' are used in both samples.

Do you want to take this journey with me?


Go for it.

It's irrelevant to me because I'm not like most people. I'm very unique.

You could even call me a special snowflake if you wanted to show some ironic humor
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23305 Posts
September 22 2016 21:21 GMT
#102079
My problem with it is that it's a militant, lawless organization (to the extent that it is organized) that causes real death and destruction.


Right, it's that you fail to realize if the police stop being such a group as you describe, there wouldn't even be a BLM.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5673 Posts
September 22 2016 21:22 GMT
#102080
On September 23 2016 06:17 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2016 06:14 xDaunt wrote:
On September 23 2016 06:09 GreenHorizons wrote:
On September 23 2016 06:06 xDaunt wrote:
On September 23 2016 06:00 Nebuchad wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:58 xDaunt wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:55 Sermokala wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:54 Rebs wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:51 xDaunt wrote:
On September 23 2016 05:43 oBlade wrote:
It's not blackness, it's the rioting, looting, assaults, and arson. If you want to make this about race it's somehow suggesting these are aspects of black identity, which is absurd. Surely you can argue how arsonists are people too without making it a racial issue.


This is what's so hilarious. It's the liberals who make everything about race. My comments have been completely race neutral, yet here we have the usual suspects trying to contort what I'm saying into a racist attack. This is why the PC left is so intellectually bankrupt and why the assault upon them by the alt right has been so successful and will continue to be so.


None of the liberals here brought up race. Your friend GG did. To be fair Plansix gets baited pretty easily and then it just rolled from there.

If you are going to accuse people of doing something get your facts in order.

People brought up race instantly saying that he wanted to call the rioters monkeys but couldn't beacuse then people would know hes a racist what are you talking about.

Yep. This situation is a good example of why I try to limit my interactions with people who fail at basic reading comprehension. It just isn't productive.


You must be so proud of your trolling here. You used the term 'vermin' specifically so that there would be a flame war on it. That's kind of childish for a smart guy, but hey, whatever.


What trolling? Who is going to disagree with the proposition that looters and rioters are vermin? I honestly don't give a fuck what race they are. I can't help it if you guys want to make the conversation about race instead of law and order. That's your prerogative, even if it means exposing some very ugly and unpleasant truths about some of your values.


Bruh...

where BLM is wreaking havoc


Just own it, I'd respect you more.

There is nothing to own. My ultimate point goes to law and order -- not race. My problem with BLM is not that it is (in the most charitable terms possible) a black rights advocacy group. My problem with it is that it's a militant, lawless organization (to the extent that it is organized) that causes real death and destruction.

I hear Nixon made the same argument about being the law and order guy. He was talking about cracking down on “urban communities filled with blacks and lefties” but he was all about that Law and Order.

Let's write a letter to NBC that all those TV shows are racist forever thanks to Nixon. Just like how Hitler liked Wagner so now it's verboten.
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