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zeo
Serbia6334 Posts
On September 19 2016 22:07 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Bomb goes off in NY. Another goes off in NJ. Thankfully nobody is killed. Clinton is losing millennial support. Thanks, seems Clinton and Trump will go into next week's debate neck and neck. Gonna be some huge ratings. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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Dan HH
Romania9154 Posts
http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/ | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22062 Posts
On September 20 2016 00:25 Doodsmack wrote: Trump explicitly blaming the bombings on immigration this morning lol. The tribe mentality is strong in this one. He has no connection with facts or the truth and he is running on an anti-immigration campaign. Was there ever any doubt he would blame it on immigration? | ||
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RealityIsKing
613 Posts
On September 19 2016 22:11 Plansix wrote: To be fair, getting that age group to vote has been like calling cats for decades. Obama had the secret power to do so, but some could argue that it was using the same tactics some of us mocked Sanders for. The bombs are troubling, but Trump is mostly gloating about them. Which is not a great look at all. If goes into another anti Muslim immigration spree, I don’t think it will help him much. Well not according to this study: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/muslims-acism-america-most-disliked-group-discrimination-anti-mosque-a7311151.html Muslims are the more disliked group in America. | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On September 20 2016 00:28 Gorsameth wrote: He has no connection with facts or the truth and he is running on an anti-immigration campaign. Was there ever any doubt he would blame it on immigration? It was a couple of Irish guys right? That aside, Trump simply understand the average voter and appeals to them in a moral ground first and foremost,, exactly like the left has done since forever. You will all be surprised at the debates when you realize the media cartoon of him as a dumb person is not true at all. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
No it was refugees from Syria, duh. Didn't you know it was immigrants? White Tribe 2016 | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15729 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 20 2016 00:28 RealityIsKing wrote: Well not according to this study: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/muslims-acism-america-most-disliked-group-discrimination-anti-mosque-a7311151.html Muslims are the more disliked group in America. That is not a good sign in my book considering that I have about the same chance to be killed by lightning as Islamic terrorism. But we are now heading towards the talked over discussion of “Muslims, can they live among us in peace?” Edit: I like how Trump links it to immigration, even though the guy is a US citizen, born here. This is the problem with Trump, that he connects events to things he believes are the cause. But in fact the cause is something else entirely and we are not focusing on addressing that problem. This guy was turned to terrorism somehow. They are recruited in some way And if we knew how, we could have stopped him earlier. But lets talk about refugees, because those are scary. | ||
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RealityIsKing
613 Posts
On September 20 2016 00:41 Plansix wrote: That is not a good sign in my book considering that I have about the same chance to be killed by lightning as Islamic terrorism. But we are now heading towards the talked over discussion of “Muslims, can they live among us in peace?” Yes and no. It depends on how much of their book do they follow. And you can't rule out people's natural instinct of survival. If one group of people have statistically higher chance of causing harm toward others, then you can't blame others for expressing their distrust toward that group of people since we do live in a western society where freedom of expression is allowed. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 20 2016 00:46 RealityIsKing wrote: Yes and no. It depends on how much of their book do they follow. And you can't rule out people's natural instinct of survival. If one group of people have statistically higher chance of causing harm toward others, then you can't blame others for expressing their distrust toward that group of people since we do live in a western society where freedom of expression is allowed. Can I take the crime rate for any race in the US, show that it was higher than other crime rates for other races and then argue they shouldn’t be allowed to live near me for my own safety? Is that cool? | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On September 20 2016 00:46 RealityIsKing wrote: Yes and no. It depends on how much of their book do they follow. And you can't rule out people's natural instinct of survival. If one group of people have statistically higher chance of causing harm toward others, then you can't blame others for expressing their distrust toward that group of people since we do live in a western society where freedom of expression is allowed. Again with the book shit, the cluelessness is real, its also why you will never solve this problem. Statistically speaking American Muslims have a lower chance of causing harm to the average american than cops and whacko white dudes. Cops have plenty of distrust granted, but no one seems to have a problem with white dudes. | ||
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RealityIsKing
613 Posts
On September 20 2016 00:48 Plansix wrote: Can I take the crime rate for any race in the US, show that it was higher than other crime rates for other races and then argue they shouldn’t be allowed to live near me for my own safety? Is that cool? Totally, as long as you are not going out there and dealing damage to other people and/or their property and not disrupting the transportation flow that slows down the society's function. | ||
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sertas
Sweden889 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 20 2016 00:54 RealityIsKing wrote: Totally, as long as you are not going out there and dealing damage to other people and/or their property and not disrupting the transportation flow that slows down the society's function. Just to be clear, if I show that blacks are more likely to commit violent crimes, you think its fine that I advocate that no blacks should be allowed to move into my community or have their kids attend my children’s school? For safety concerns, of course. We just want to be safe. | ||
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RealityIsKing
613 Posts
On September 20 2016 00:52 Rebs wrote: Again with the book shit, the cluelessness is real, its also why you will never solve this problem. Statistically speaking American Muslims have a lower chance of causing harm to the average american than cops and whacko white dudes. Cops have plenty of distrust granted, but no one seems to have a problem with white dudes. There won't be any problems as long as the border control have a strict set of standard to abide by. | ||
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RealityIsKing
613 Posts
On September 20 2016 00:56 Plansix wrote: Just to be clear, if I show that blacks are more likely to commit violent crimes, you think its fine that I advocate that no blacks should be allowed to move into my community or have their kids attend my children’s school? For safety concerns, of course. We just want to be safe. See my previous response. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 20 2016 00:56 Plansix wrote: Just to be clear, if I show that blacks are more likely to commit violent crimes, you think its fine that I advocate that no blacks should be allowed to move into my community or have their kids attend my children’s school? For safety concerns, of course. We just want to be safe. I understand the argument you're making Plansix, but my guess would be that there's a pretty large overlap between people who are fine with this that are also fine with a Muslim ban. You're not going to change anyone's mind this way. If someone views segregation and discrimination as reasonable when done for safety and the good of society, they're going to apply that to all contexts. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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