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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
August 13 2016 02:55 GMT
#94621
Yeah, after that report about him offering the VP unlimited control and his pence pick Trump lost any viability to me as a candidate.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 13 2016 04:23 GMT
#94622
When Donald Trump vowed this week to make childcare more accessible and affordable, it was just the second time during his White House campaign that he’s talked about an issue that affects millions of working Americans with young children.

The first came months ago in Iowa, when the eventual Republican nominee touted his own record as a business owner during a candidate Q&A, telling voters he provided on-site childcare service for his employees.

There is no evidence, however, that any such programs exist.

Trump, who previously voiced his opposition to government-funded universal pre-K programs, said in Newton, Iowa, in November 2015 that he had visited many companies that offered workers on-site childcare centers – and added that he offered such programs himself.

“You know, it’s not expensive for a company to do it. You need one person or two people, and you need some blocks, and you need some swings and some toys,” Trump said. “It’s not an expensive thing, and I do it all over. And I get great people because of it. Because it’s a problem with a lot of other companies.”

Trump pointed specifically to two programs: “They call ‘em Trump Kids. Another one calls it Trumpeteers, if you can believe it. I have ‘em. I actually have ‘em, because I have a lot of different businesses.”

Trump went on to describe “a room that’s a quarter of the size of this. And they have all sorts of – you know, it’s beautiful – they have a lot of children there, and we take care of them. And the parent when they leave the job – usually in my case it’s clubs or hotels – when they leave the job, they pick up their child and their child is totally safe.

“They even come in during the day during lunch to see their child. It really works out well,” he said.

But the two programs Trump cited – “Trump Kids” and “Trumpeteers” – are programs catering to patrons of Trump’s hotels and golf club. They are not for Trump’s employees, according to staff at Trump’s hotels and clubs across the country.


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RubickPicker
Profile Joined October 2015
United States332 Posts
August 13 2016 04:50 GMT
#94623
Trump was once appearing to me (I never thought I'd vote for him and I caucused for Sanders) because he was willing to say things that the GOP simply didn't allow. He attacked the Iraq War, a disaster the GOP wouldn't allow Republicans to question because it would tarnish W's legacy and make people less trustworthy of Republicans in the White House again.

Now he does things like blame Obama for ISIS, when the Iraq War was the genesis of ISIS.

He stands for nothing but gettin himself elected. He wants to destroy Obamacare but said once that "people won't be dying in the streets" but his paperwork basically calls for a return to the employer-dependent system we had before and the only assistance being tax credits. That's the same crap McCain and Romney used.

The shocking thing about Trump is how he is everything the Reunlicans thought Obama was. They saw him as an empty suit attached to a brand, a man with no ideas but a great story and a nice smile and a good marketing team. They called him a celebrity, ran ads comparing him to Paris Hilton, called him a publicity hound for speaking in Germany.

So now they're running a guy with inconsistent positions who will say anything and whose entire image is wrapped up in writing his name on buildings, equating himself with luxury and success with excess. There's no record, there's no governance, and there's nothing than the fact that he called his book "Art Of The Deal" so we assume he must be a good negotiator.
* N U K E D *
Atreides
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2393 Posts
August 13 2016 06:11 GMT
#94624
On August 13 2016 13:50 RubickPicker wrote:
He wants to destroy Obamacare but said once that "people won't be dying in the streets" but his paperwork basically calls for a return to the employer-dependent system we had before and the only assistance being tax credits. That's the same crap McCain and Romney.


The ACA still doesn't do a single thing besides offer me tax credits either as far as assistance goes. Except that now instead of at least 4 providers in my state to choose from I have 1 and it is over twice as expensive.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-13 06:26:13
August 13 2016 06:21 GMT
#94625
Is this a state by state variation thing? Do some states have it better off? I haven't seen the horror stories that people say they have with Obamacare IE really expensive plans + small amount of choices. But I see some people bitching about it and some liking it but usually these people reside in different states.
Never Knows Best.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42607 Posts
August 13 2016 06:41 GMT
#94626
On August 13 2016 15:21 Slaughter wrote:
Is this a state by state variation thing? Do some states have it better off? I haven't seen the horror stories that people say they have with Obamacare IE really expensive plans + small amount of choices. But I see some people bitching about it and some liking it but usually these people reside in different states.

This is a user error thing. If you look at Atreides posts in this topic they're almost all this same complaint that Obamacare fucked him. When I attempted to find health insurance through the Alaska exchange I had a very different experience to his claims.
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JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
August 13 2016 11:16 GMT
#94627
I feel like Atreides has been refuted at least 3 seperate times in this thread...
Yargh
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 13 2016 11:20 GMT
#94628
The US government on Friday declared a public health emergency in Puerto Rico as a result of a Zika epidemic.

The declaration allows the US Department of Health and Human Services to award grants, access emergency funds and temporarily appoint personnel where needed, among other things.

“This administration is committed to meeting the Zika outbreak in Puerto Rico with the necessary urgency,” Secretary Sylvia Burwell said in a department statement. Burwell traveled to the US territory in late April to evaluate its response to the outbreak.

A department spokesman did not immediately return a message seeking comment on what immediate steps the agency may take.

The announcement came hours after Puerto Rico reported 1,914 new cases in the past week, for a total of 10,690 since the first one was reported in December.

The mosquito-borne virus has infected 1,035 pregnant women, which is a concern to authorities because Zika has been tied to a severe birth defect known as microcephaly. More than 100 pregnant women infected with Zika in Puerto Rico who have given birth have had healthy babies, officials said.

Puerto Rico reported the first case of microcephaly acquired on US soil in May, involving a dead fetus that a woman turned over to health authorities. No microcephaly cases have been reported since then, but federal officials say it’s only a matter of time.


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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7886 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-13 13:14:05
August 13 2016 13:13 GMT
#94629
On August 13 2016 15:11 Atreides wrote:
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On August 13 2016 13:50 RubickPicker wrote:
He wants to destroy Obamacare but said once that "people won't be dying in the streets" but his paperwork basically calls for a return to the employer-dependent system we had before and the only assistance being tax credits. That's the same crap McCain and Romney.


The ACA still doesn't do a single thing besides offer me tax credits either as far as assistance goes. Except that now instead of at least 4 providers in my state to choose from I have 1 and it is over twice as expensive.

Really clearly not working. The only thing that has changed is a mere 20 million more people insured (would be much more if Republicans didn't refuse to implement it in their state for absolutely no benefit for their citizens).

It has also provenly reduced medical debts and increased significantly public health (also here).

Total failure.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
August 13 2016 13:37 GMT
#94630
One complaint I see regularly is that the ACA replaced the available options with more expensive ones. However it's never mentioned that the original insurance options covered basically nothing and people were paying low amounts to just have an insurance card. The ACA forced the companies to provide the bare minimum coverage as their lowest option.
Yargh
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 13 2016 13:45 GMT
#94631
Isn't this illegal?

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7886 Posts
August 13 2016 14:05 GMT
#94632
On August 13 2016 22:45 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Isn't this illegal?

https://twitter.com/David_EHG/status/764434921528123392

Hahaha amazing! That's some golden John Oliver material..
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9118 Posts
August 13 2016 14:32 GMT
#94633
Imagine the ensuing shitshow about rigging if he loses by a small margin
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
August 13 2016 15:16 GMT
#94634
Luckily for us, he's gonna lose in a landslide defeat
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 13 2016 15:33 GMT
#94635
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28654 Posts
August 13 2016 15:38 GMT
#94636
I have never, ever seen a political campaign with a more contentious relationship with the truth. This is absolutely ridiculous.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
August 13 2016 15:46 GMT
#94637
On August 14 2016 00:38 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I have never, ever seen a political campaign with a more contentious relationship with the truth. This is absolutely ridiculous.

Trump's is certainly the worst, but all the Republican campaigns are based on lying and conning its voter base.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-13 15:56:43
August 13 2016 15:55 GMT
#94638
That's pretty scary. Sending partisan supporters to what? Check people ballots? I legit don't understand what they could do.

Theyr legally barred from looking at peoples ballots so what could they actually do besides stand around all day?

Most states bar people from campaigning at polling places also
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11349 Posts
August 13 2016 16:23 GMT
#94639
I don't know, but I will guess that the hue and cry over his paying volunteers will be taken as proof that the system is rigged...
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
August 13 2016 16:29 GMT
#94640
I'm starting to get worried about whether trump will concede on election night. I think there's better then even odds that he doesnt make the concession call to hillary at all.

I remember in 2000, there were plenty of Democrats that didn't feel that bush was a legitimate president, but Gore wasn't actively encouraging them.
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