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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15540 Posts
August 12 2016 16:31 GMT
#94521
Am I the only one who is seeing Kaine as some kinda genius pick at this point? I was hugely skeptical, but it is turning out to be an amazing move. He is so centrist that it seems to actually be helping recruit republicans and move people over. So many things about this election seemed questionable and made me think the democratic party didn't actually know what it was doing. Turns out they've been playing the long game all along and things are actually going incredibly well. What a strange election. Is anyone else finding themselves changing their minds on Kaine?
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-12 16:36:18
August 12 2016 16:33 GMT
#94522
It bothered me from the beginning that Kaine was called 'safe' and 'boring' as if those were negative qualities in a politician.

He was obviously the most qualified choice but everyone seemed upset that they didn't pick a younger but less experienced guy (Castro) or someone who has publicly known policy disagreements with the candidate (Warren).

Of course Kaine was the right choice. It was obvious then and it's obvious now
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 12 2016 16:36 GMT
#94523
I was on board with Kaine from the start. He is thoroughly not Trump.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
August 12 2016 16:36 GMT
#94524
On August 13 2016 01:28 Doodsmack wrote:
I love that Paul Manafort was part of Dole's campaign. And that Tim Kaine has never lost an election.

Trump's the outsider candidate with a long list of establishment staff and endorsements of establishment candidates. It boggles the mind how abruptly he turned.
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
August 12 2016 16:38 GMT
#94525
On August 13 2016 00:40 Nebuchad wrote:
Whatever happened to kwizach btw? Did he get banned or something?

Been a while since I've since a oneofthem post too
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-12 16:39:59
August 12 2016 16:39 GMT
#94526
The media was going wild about who the "exciting" vp choice was.

I don't want "exciting" politicians for the same reason I don't want "exciting" airline pilots.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
August 12 2016 16:42 GMT
#94527
On August 13 2016 01:38 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 00:40 Nebuchad wrote:
Whatever happened to kwizach btw? Did he get banned or something?

Been a while since I've since a oneofthem post too

He got a 90-day for bashing Bernie Sanders supporters yet again.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 12 2016 16:42 GMT
#94528
On August 13 2016 01:38 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 00:40 Nebuchad wrote:
Whatever happened to kwizach btw? Did he get banned or something?

Been a while since I've since a oneofthem post too

He continues to be super banned. And kwizach has a lot of work shit from the PM he send me a while ago. He still reads the thread.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-12 16:44:36
August 12 2016 16:42 GMT
#94529
i watched kaine's first speech as vp nom in florida. i was instantly sold.

he's not boring, he's just non controversial, effective and really nice.

i cannot confirm or deny but i've heard from very smart people that kwizach was re assigned to another CTR project where david brock though he'd have more of an impact. that's not what i'm saying, it's what other people are saying.
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28626 Posts
August 12 2016 16:43 GMT
#94530
I immediately thought Kaine seemed like a boring pick and that for this election, boring somehow equated risky. But the more I've heard him speak, the more convinced I've become that he is a good choice.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18821 Posts
August 12 2016 16:43 GMT
#94531
I trust that Kwizach will return as the election nears
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
August 12 2016 16:51 GMT
#94532
It's a shame we won't get firecracker Biden vs Ryan debates let alone Biden vs. Palin debates from Kaine and Pence, but I think they were both probably close to optimal selections for their nominees (though Pence has kind of struggled to be the Trump-tamer I think he was designed to be).
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5492 Posts
August 12 2016 16:52 GMT
#94533
On August 12 2016 15:20 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2016 11:21 oBlade wrote:
We already drone strike US citizens, so that ship is sailing.

Well, I think there's still time to turn around. "Full steam ahead" doesn't seem like the best response in regards to losing the freedoms of classic liberalism. It took two terms for Obama to close Gitmo and really I think he just shuffled the deck to another offshore site (minus the whole 'enhanced interrogation" *cough* torture). And now one of the next presidential candidates wants to go back to square one. I think the right to a fair trial is a fight worth winning in this modern era.

So much for the progress of humans. We refight the same battles, and forget what we already know whether it is immunizations or the freedoms that create a just society.

edit.
On the other hand, it was the reporter that asked if he would use military tribunals to try US citizens, so this may be classic Trump ignorance. ie Gitmo is off US soil, therefore Gitmo = Safe and Good. And he simply doesn't recognize the difference between military trials vs civilian trials. Alternatively, maybe he's just used to talking and not listening to the question... being one that doesn't subscribe to "Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak..." I don't know which of these scenarios is worst, but none of them are particularly good.

I hate to speak in zingers, but if Anwar al-Awlaki were held at Guantanamo, I legitimately don't believe he'd be entitled to a jury of his peers and so forth.

I'm willing to believe Trump didn't really follow the question and think his answer through, but it's also media bait because there was only ever one US citizen at Guantanamo. But the military already plays by a separate set of rules in detaining people and trying people, trying foreigners in military tribunals, even courts-martial for US servicemen is a different justice system.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 12 2016 16:54 GMT
#94534
The Biden/Ryan debate wasn't a debate it was kid versus an adult in which Biden wiped the floor with Ryan.
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-12 18:01:48
August 12 2016 17:31 GMT
#94535
On August 13 2016 01:43 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I immediately thought Kaine seemed like a boring pick and that for this election, boring somehow equated risky. But the more I've heard him speak, the more convinced I've become that he is a good choice.

He's had a questionable transition on the social issues (gay marriage and abortion), though Trump is not an ounce better. When he was first mentioned, I read into his political history and wondered if he was really mr moderate for the election. With foreign policy in the spotlight, his record on Islamists in the Middle East is very bad (one source apart from editorializing, it appears all this was swept under the rug). The last news story that I recall was on a strange decision while he was governor, here. It is for those reasons I question his judgment and thoroughly reject media characterization even in this election of misfits. I trust you'll find other sources addressing the same news stories if you doubt their sourced material and in-article links.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
August 12 2016 17:35 GMT
#94536
The only thing I don't like about Kaine is his impression of Trump... WTF was that??!
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
August 12 2016 17:40 GMT
#94537
Kaine strikes me as a very Hillary-esque candidate. No strong feelings one way or the other about him. Neither adds nor detracts from her candidacy.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 12 2016 17:55 GMT
#94538
On August 13 2016 02:35 ragz_gt wrote:
The only thing I don't like about Kaine is his impression of Trump... WTF was that??!

You are witnessing a dad-joke in political form. And since dad jokes are the highest form of humor, I’m excited for Biden 2.0.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 12 2016 17:57 GMT
#94539
On August 13 2016 02:31 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2016 01:43 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I immediately thought Kaine seemed like a boring pick and that for this election, boring somehow equated risky. But the more I've heard him speak, the more convinced I've become that he is a good choice.

He's had a questionable transition on the social issues (gay marriage and abortion), though Trump is not an ounce better. When he was first mentioned, I read into his political history and wondered if he was really mr moderate for the election. With foreign policy in the spotlight, his record on Islamists in the Middle East is very bad (one source apart from editorializing, it appears all this was swept under the rug). The last news story that I recall was on a strange decision while he was governor, here. It is for those reasons I question his judgment and thoroughly reject media characterization even in this election of misfits. I trust you'll find other sources addressing the same news stories if you doubt their sourced material and in-article links.


If there are better sources, why didn't you use those instead?

Anyways, I looked at Esam Omeish's wikipedia page. There definitely seems to be some bias in his favor on the page, but I don't see much of a problem.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42468 Posts
August 12 2016 17:59 GMT
#94540
On August 13 2016 01:43 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I immediately thought Kaine seemed like a boring pick and that for this election, boring somehow equated risky. But the more I've heard him speak, the more convinced I've become that he is a good choice.

Especially given Trump's campaign promise to have Hillary murdered. Gotta have a strong VP this year.
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