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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
He was obviously the most qualified choice but everyone seemed upset that they didn't pick a younger but less experienced guy (Castro) or someone who has publicly known policy disagreements with the candidate (Warren). Of course Kaine was the right choice. It was obvious then and it's obvious now | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On August 13 2016 01:28 Doodsmack wrote: I love that Paul Manafort was part of Dole's campaign. And that Tim Kaine has never lost an election. Trump's the outsider candidate with a long list of establishment staff and endorsements of establishment candidates. It boggles the mind how abruptly he turned. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On August 13 2016 00:40 Nebuchad wrote: Whatever happened to kwizach btw? Did he get banned or something? Been a while since I've since a oneofthem post too | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
I don't want "exciting" politicians for the same reason I don't want "exciting" airline pilots. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On August 13 2016 01:38 OtherWorld wrote: Been a while since I've since a oneofthem post too He got a 90-day for bashing Bernie Sanders supporters yet again. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 13 2016 01:38 OtherWorld wrote: Been a while since I've since a oneofthem post too He continues to be super banned. And kwizach has a lot of work shit from the PM he send me a while ago. He still reads the thread. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
he's not boring, he's just non controversial, effective and really nice. i cannot confirm or deny but i've heard from very smart people that kwizach was re assigned to another CTR project where david brock though he'd have more of an impact. that's not what i'm saying, it's what other people are saying. | ||
Liquid`Drone
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farvacola
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
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oBlade
United States6028 Posts
On August 12 2016 15:20 Falling wrote: Well, I think there's still time to turn around. "Full steam ahead" doesn't seem like the best response in regards to losing the freedoms of classic liberalism. It took two terms for Obama to close Gitmo and really I think he just shuffled the deck to another offshore site (minus the whole 'enhanced interrogation" *cough* torture). And now one of the next presidential candidates wants to go back to square one. I think the right to a fair trial is a fight worth winning in this modern era. So much for the progress of humans. We refight the same battles, and forget what we already know whether it is immunizations or the freedoms that create a just society. edit. On the other hand, it was the reporter that asked if he would use military tribunals to try US citizens, so this may be classic Trump ignorance. ie Gitmo is off US soil, therefore Gitmo = Safe and Good. And he simply doesn't recognize the difference between military trials vs civilian trials. Alternatively, maybe he's just used to talking and not listening to the question... being one that doesn't subscribe to "Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak..." I don't know which of these scenarios is worst, but none of them are particularly good. I hate to speak in zingers, but if Anwar al-Awlaki were held at Guantanamo, I legitimately don't believe he'd be entitled to a jury of his peers and so forth. I'm willing to believe Trump didn't really follow the question and think his answer through, but it's also media bait because there was only ever one US citizen at Guantanamo. But the military already plays by a separate set of rules in detaining people and trying people, trying foreigners in military tribunals, even courts-martial for US servicemen is a different justice system. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On August 13 2016 01:43 Liquid`Drone wrote: I immediately thought Kaine seemed like a boring pick and that for this election, boring somehow equated risky. But the more I've heard him speak, the more convinced I've become that he is a good choice. He's had a questionable transition on the social issues (gay marriage and abortion), though Trump is not an ounce better. When he was first mentioned, I read into his political history and wondered if he was really mr moderate for the election. With foreign policy in the spotlight, his record on Islamists in the Middle East is very bad (one source apart from editorializing, it appears all this was swept under the rug). The last news story that I recall was on a strange decision while he was governor, here. It is for those reasons I question his judgment and thoroughly reject media characterization even in this election of misfits. I trust you'll find other sources addressing the same news stories if you doubt their sourced material and in-article links. | ||
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ragz_gt
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 13 2016 02:35 ragz_gt wrote: The only thing I don't like about Kaine is his impression of Trump... WTF was that??! You are witnessing a dad-joke in political form. And since dad jokes are the highest form of humor, I’m excited for Biden 2.0. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On August 13 2016 02:31 Danglars wrote: He's had a questionable transition on the social issues (gay marriage and abortion), though Trump is not an ounce better. When he was first mentioned, I read into his political history and wondered if he was really mr moderate for the election. With foreign policy in the spotlight, his record on Islamists in the Middle East is very bad (one source apart from editorializing, it appears all this was swept under the rug). The last news story that I recall was on a strange decision while he was governor, here. It is for those reasons I question his judgment and thoroughly reject media characterization even in this election of misfits. I trust you'll find other sources addressing the same news stories if you doubt their sourced material and in-article links. If there are better sources, why didn't you use those instead? Anyways, I looked at Esam Omeish's wikipedia page. There definitely seems to be some bias in his favor on the page, but I don't see much of a problem. | ||
KwarK
United States43854 Posts
On August 13 2016 01:43 Liquid`Drone wrote: I immediately thought Kaine seemed like a boring pick and that for this election, boring somehow equated risky. But the more I've heard him speak, the more convinced I've become that he is a good choice. Especially given Trump's campaign promise to have Hillary murdered. Gotta have a strong VP this year. | ||
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