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Ironically I think the only competent people surrounding Trump in this campaign are his children. Everyone else is either crazy or dumb or both.
It doesn't help that a fair chunk of the "great people" he suggests to lead negotiations with China or work as generals don't actually like him very much.
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If Stuart jolly and Lewandowski knew and did nothing this could be a thing.
Lewandowski probably be asked soon and cite his NDA
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On August 12 2016 01:41 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 01:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
If we go back 500 pages or so, we'll find people confidently telling us that Trump knows how to surround himself with the right people to run a country... I doubt that a North Carolina campaign director would be up for a cabinet post.
This is the opposite of a convincing argument.
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On August 12 2016 01:46 PassiveAce wrote:
If Stuart jolly and Lewandowski knew and did nothing this could be a thing.
Lewandowski probably be asked soon and cite his NDA
I'm willing to bet if there is a statement it's to the effect of 'that didn't happen.'
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On August 12 2016 01:51 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 01:41 oBlade wrote:On August 12 2016 01:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
If we go back 500 pages or so, we'll find people confidently telling us that Trump knows how to surround himself with the right people to run a country... I doubt that a North Carolina campaign director would be up for a cabinet post. This is the opposite of a convincing argument.
My friend stayed at a Trump hotel and they allegedly wouldn't replace a busted mini-bar. That speaks volumes about his ability to surround himself with competent people, I bet he won't even disavow the bellhop.
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That's somehow even less convincing
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On August 12 2016 01:59 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 01:51 Plansix wrote:On August 12 2016 01:41 oBlade wrote:On August 12 2016 01:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
If we go back 500 pages or so, we'll find people confidently telling us that Trump knows how to surround himself with the right people to run a country... I doubt that a North Carolina campaign director would be up for a cabinet post. This is the opposite of a convincing argument. My friend stayed at a Trump hotel and they allegedly wouldn't replace a busted mini-bar. That speaks volumes about his ability to surround himself with competent people, I bet he won't even disavow the bellhop.
If your going to campaign on statements like 'I hire the best people' then your going to be questioned when it turns out some people you hired are shit.
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On August 12 2016 01:59 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 01:51 Plansix wrote:On August 12 2016 01:41 oBlade wrote:On August 12 2016 01:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
If we go back 500 pages or so, we'll find people confidently telling us that Trump knows how to surround himself with the right people to run a country... I doubt that a North Carolina campaign director would be up for a cabinet post. This is the opposite of a convincing argument. My friend stayed at a Trump hotel and they allegedly wouldn't replace a busted mini-bar. That speaks volumes about his ability to surround himself with competent people, I bet he won't even disavow the bellhop.
False equivalence is strong with this one. But you have always made special effort to wave away the gross incompetence of Trump and the people he hires.
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"Trump isn't hiring incompetent people. It's the people he hired that are hiring the lunatics."
Glowing review.
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On August 12 2016 02:02 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 01:59 oBlade wrote:On August 12 2016 01:51 Plansix wrote:On August 12 2016 01:41 oBlade wrote:On August 12 2016 01:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
If we go back 500 pages or so, we'll find people confidently telling us that Trump knows how to surround himself with the right people to run a country... I doubt that a North Carolina campaign director would be up for a cabinet post. This is the opposite of a convincing argument. My friend stayed at a Trump hotel and they allegedly wouldn't replace a busted mini-bar. That speaks volumes about his ability to surround himself with competent people, I bet he won't even disavow the bellhop. If your going to campaign on statements like 'I hire the best people' then your going to be questioned when it turns out some people you hired are shit.
What should they have done differently?
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On August 12 2016 02:10 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 02:02 Gorsameth wrote:On August 12 2016 01:59 oBlade wrote:On August 12 2016 01:51 Plansix wrote:On August 12 2016 01:41 oBlade wrote:On August 12 2016 01:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
If we go back 500 pages or so, we'll find people confidently telling us that Trump knows how to surround himself with the right people to run a country... I doubt that a North Carolina campaign director would be up for a cabinet post. This is the opposite of a convincing argument. My friend stayed at a Trump hotel and they allegedly wouldn't replace a busted mini-bar. That speaks volumes about his ability to surround himself with competent people, I bet he won't even disavow the bellhop. If your going to campaign on statements like 'I hire the best people' then your going to be questioned when it turns out some people you hired are shit. What should they have done differently?
If we assume the facts in the complaint are correct, fired him months ago? Likely when it came to their attention. Or maybe after the second or third people complained about having a gun pointed at them?
And the guy resigned today, the instant the story hit the news.
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On August 12 2016 02:10 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 02:02 Gorsameth wrote:On August 12 2016 01:59 oBlade wrote:On August 12 2016 01:51 Plansix wrote:On August 12 2016 01:41 oBlade wrote:On August 12 2016 01:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
If we go back 500 pages or so, we'll find people confidently telling us that Trump knows how to surround himself with the right people to run a country... I doubt that a North Carolina campaign director would be up for a cabinet post. This is the opposite of a convincing argument. My friend stayed at a Trump hotel and they allegedly wouldn't replace a busted mini-bar. That speaks volumes about his ability to surround himself with competent people, I bet he won't even disavow the bellhop. If your going to campaign on statements like 'I hire the best people' then your going to be questioned when it turns out some people you hired are shit. What should they have done differently?
Are you actually asking that question?
Seriously?
Fine, how about better vetting so you don't hire a nutjob that pulls a gun on people 5 times. And when it is discovered that you might have hired a nut don't ignore it and hope the problem goes away, until the media catches hold of it and your finally forced to let him go.
You know, the basic stuff.
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On August 12 2016 02:10 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 02:02 Gorsameth wrote:On August 12 2016 01:59 oBlade wrote:On August 12 2016 01:51 Plansix wrote:On August 12 2016 01:41 oBlade wrote:On August 12 2016 01:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
If we go back 500 pages or so, we'll find people confidently telling us that Trump knows how to surround himself with the right people to run a country... I doubt that a North Carolina campaign director would be up for a cabinet post. This is the opposite of a convincing argument. My friend stayed at a Trump hotel and they allegedly wouldn't replace a busted mini-bar. That speaks volumes about his ability to surround himself with competent people, I bet he won't even disavow the bellhop. If your going to campaign on statements like 'I hire the best people' then your going to be questioned when it turns out some people you hired are shit. What should they have done differently?
Hire someone who wouldn't do such a crazy thing. There are people out there believe it or not who are competent and not crazy....Trump seems to think having these qualities are optional.
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On August 12 2016 02:12 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 02:10 oBlade wrote:On August 12 2016 02:02 Gorsameth wrote:On August 12 2016 01:59 oBlade wrote:On August 12 2016 01:51 Plansix wrote:On August 12 2016 01:41 oBlade wrote:On August 12 2016 01:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
If we go back 500 pages or so, we'll find people confidently telling us that Trump knows how to surround himself with the right people to run a country... I doubt that a North Carolina campaign director would be up for a cabinet post. This is the opposite of a convincing argument. My friend stayed at a Trump hotel and they allegedly wouldn't replace a busted mini-bar. That speaks volumes about his ability to surround himself with competent people, I bet he won't even disavow the bellhop. If your going to campaign on statements like 'I hire the best people' then your going to be questioned when it turns out some people you hired are shit. What should they have done differently? Are you actually asking that question? Seriously? Fine, how about better vetting so you don't hire a nutjob that pulls a gun on people 5 times. And when it is discovered that you might have hired a nut don't ignore it and hope the problem goes away, until the media catches hold of it and your finally forced to let him go. You know, the basic stuff.
I'm not an expert on spin but I can start to imagine what this thread would have looked like if the media had gotten word that the Trump campaign refused to hire this man:
https://twitter.com/elphillip
on the assumption that he was likely to point a gun at someone's knees.
It sounds like, if the allegations are true, which doesn't seem unlikely, the problem was with "Stuart Jolly" and Corey Lewandowski for not listening to the complaints. Should be no concern about DJT administration appointing justices and officials who point guns at people.
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On August 12 2016 02:24 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 02:12 Gorsameth wrote:On August 12 2016 02:10 oBlade wrote:On August 12 2016 02:02 Gorsameth wrote:On August 12 2016 01:59 oBlade wrote:On August 12 2016 01:51 Plansix wrote:On August 12 2016 01:41 oBlade wrote:On August 12 2016 01:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
If we go back 500 pages or so, we'll find people confidently telling us that Trump knows how to surround himself with the right people to run a country... I doubt that a North Carolina campaign director would be up for a cabinet post. This is the opposite of a convincing argument. My friend stayed at a Trump hotel and they allegedly wouldn't replace a busted mini-bar. That speaks volumes about his ability to surround himself with competent people, I bet he won't even disavow the bellhop. If your going to campaign on statements like 'I hire the best people' then your going to be questioned when it turns out some people you hired are shit. What should they have done differently? Are you actually asking that question? Seriously? Fine, how about better vetting so you don't hire a nutjob that pulls a gun on people 5 times. And when it is discovered that you might have hired a nut don't ignore it and hope the problem goes away, until the media catches hold of it and your finally forced to let him go. You know, the basic stuff. I'm not an expert on spin but I can start to imagine what this thread would have looked like if the media had gotten word that the Trump campaign refused to hire this man: https://twitter.com/elphillipon the assumption that he was likely to point a gun at someone's knees. It sounds like, if the allegations are true, which doesn't seem unlikely, the problem was with "Stuart Jolly" and Corey Lewandowski for not listening to the complaints. Should be no concern about DJT administration appointing justices and officials who point guns at people.
Ok, good fine lets go with that
So the problem is Stuart and Corey, people hired by Trump. A man who campaigns on hiring the best people.
Same problem.
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On August 12 2016 02:26 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 02:24 oBlade wrote:On August 12 2016 02:12 Gorsameth wrote:On August 12 2016 02:10 oBlade wrote:On August 12 2016 02:02 Gorsameth wrote:On August 12 2016 01:59 oBlade wrote:On August 12 2016 01:51 Plansix wrote:On August 12 2016 01:41 oBlade wrote:On August 12 2016 01:30 WolfintheSheep wrote:
If we go back 500 pages or so, we'll find people confidently telling us that Trump knows how to surround himself with the right people to run a country... I doubt that a North Carolina campaign director would be up for a cabinet post. This is the opposite of a convincing argument. My friend stayed at a Trump hotel and they allegedly wouldn't replace a busted mini-bar. That speaks volumes about his ability to surround himself with competent people, I bet he won't even disavow the bellhop. If your going to campaign on statements like 'I hire the best people' then your going to be questioned when it turns out some people you hired are shit. What should they have done differently? Are you actually asking that question? Seriously? Fine, how about better vetting so you don't hire a nutjob that pulls a gun on people 5 times. And when it is discovered that you might have hired a nut don't ignore it and hope the problem goes away, until the media catches hold of it and your finally forced to let him go. You know, the basic stuff. I'm not an expert on spin but I can start to imagine what this thread would have looked like if the media had gotten word that the Trump campaign refused to hire this man: https://twitter.com/elphillipon the assumption that he was likely to point a gun at someone's knees. It sounds like, if the allegations are true, which doesn't seem unlikely, the problem was with "Stuart Jolly" and Corey Lewandowski for not listening to the complaints. Should be no concern about DJT administration appointing justices and officials who point guns at people. Ok, good fine lets go with that So the problem is Stuart and Corey, people hired by Trump. A man who campaigns on hiring the best people. Same problem.
They should fire Lewandowski again!
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Did Donald hire that lady who posted incredibly racist things on twitter? Or did someone he hire do the hiring? Because I'm pretty sure her wonderful history on twitter is a good reason not to have hired her, alongside her continued fumbling of public comments.
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Nah, all these people just appeared on Trump's payroll. We can't blame him for things that are completely beyond his control, like who works for him. Or that a large number of them have long standing histories of questionable behavior and views.
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We've come a long way from presidential candidates being responsible for the words of their pastors to them not being responsible for the actions people in their own campaign (to the point of asking us not to consider it in our appraisal of the candidates' competence). I feel like there's a happy medium somewhere in that spectrum.
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"I like Trump because he tells it like it is and hires the best people, but he didn't meant what he just said and it's not his fault his staff is full of nutjobs"
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