EPTIt was amazing how pumped the world was when we elected someone who didn't go to war because all his buddies told him it was a good idea. And they could all make bank at the same time.
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
It was amazing how pumped the world was when we elected someone who didn't go to war because all his buddies told him it was a good idea. And they could all make bank at the same time. | ||
KwarK
United States44203 Posts
On July 26 2016 02:05 zeo wrote: If Putin thinks Trump would be more reasonable and wouldn't bring the World on the edge of destruction then there you have it. Imagine the horror of working together to fix the World's problems instead of living in a cold war. *shivers* I know you're a Putin shill so it won't make much difference to you but Trump is the one opposing the peace deals in the Middle East and proposing killing Middle Eastern civilians every time a Muslim acts out. He is not the peace candidate, he is the "tear it all down and rebuild it the way we want it to look" candidate. We're not living in a Cold War. There is no more rivalry between Russia and the United States than there is between the WNBA and the NBA. They both play the same sport but that's about it. One resents the other for the money, popularity and general success but given the unquestionable superiority of one it's not really a mutual thing. Russia is a borderline failed state that is, like many other petrol rich failed states, just about keeping its head above the surface with exports. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
He's left the World in a much worse state than it ever was under Bush though. You could say some of it was the legacy of Bush but the cataclysm that supporting and funding the Arab spring brought about is all on Obama (yeah sure you could say Hillary too but Obama always had the final say). | ||
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aqui
Germany1023 Posts
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/25/politics/democratic-convention-dnc-emails-russia/ The FBI on Monday confirmed they are investigating a hack into the Democratic National Committee, the first acknowledgment from the agency that they are probing the incident, which US officials suspect came from a Russian cyber attack [...] "The FBI is investigating a cyber intrusion involving the DNC and are working to determine the nature and scope of the matter," the agency said in a statement. "A compromise of this nature is something we take very seriously, and the FBI will continue to investigate and hold accountable those who pose a threat in cyberspace." The suspected Russian hack is part of a wave of Russian cyber attacks aimed at political organizations and academic think tanks in Washington, US officials briefed on the investigations say. [...] Trump told The New York Times in an interview last week, that if he's elected the US wouldn't defend NATO allies against Russian aggression if they haven't "fulfilled their obligation to us." [...] "There's been aggressive targeting of that sector, the various campaigns, think tanks in the Washington, DC area," Trainor said. The "targeting of any candidate or any party (that) has political intelligence," Trainor said. "There's value in information there if you're a nation state actor, so (it) shouldn't be surprising." Private-sector cyber security investigators hired by the DNC concluded that hackers working for the Russian government were behind the year-long breach of the DNC. The investigation found intrusions by two Russian hacking groups. At least one of the DNC intruders is believed to be behind other breaches of non-classified US government systems at the White House, State Department and other agencies, security experts believe, based on an analysis of malicious software in the breaches. The FBI and other US agencies involved haven't yet officially attributed the DNC attack to Russian government hackers. But evidence gathered by the FBI so far points to groups that are known to US counter-intelligence for carrying out intrusions for the Russian government, the officials briefed on the probe say. [..] It's possible that other hackers took advantage of the DNC's vulnerabilities and also stole information, US officials said. But the intrusion so far appears to bear the hallmarks of a Russian intelligence operation. Foreign spy agencies routinely try to collect information on US elections, and there were some cyber attacks against political campaigns detected during the 2012 election cycle. Typically, spy agencies collect such information to try to better inform their governments about US politics. US spy agencies do the same overseas. Russian spy agencies have published embarrassing information to try to influence political events in countries they consider part of their sphere of influence. But to publicly release vast troves of stolen data to try to influence a US election is beyond the scale of what US counterintelligence officials have seen. Whether Russian intelligence agencies provided the stolen information to Wikileaks, either directly or through middlemen, is now a top issue for US investigators to resolve, the US officials briefed on the probe say. The answer won't likely come until well after the election. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 26 2016 02:14 zeo wrote: He's left the World in a much worse state than it ever was under Bush though. You could say some of it was the legacy of Bush but the cataclysm that supporting and funding the Arab spring brought about is all on Obama (yeah sure you could say Hillary too but Obama always had the final say). How does one stop the Arab Spring? And how is it worse than the economic nightmare that was 2007-2008? I believe peoples memories are very short. Edit: Man, all I can think is "What if the US was caught hacking into the servers of political parties of other nations and publishing their emails?" | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 26 2016 02:06 Plansix wrote: Considering how hard it was to get rid of her for both Clinton and Obama, that position and its timing might have been part of the deal for her to step down. It's far more likely that Hillary and Obama had to concede the position to ensure that DWS kept her mouth shut and took the bullet. | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
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zeo
Serbia6343 Posts
On July 26 2016 02:14 KwarK wrote: I know you're a Putin shill so it won't make much difference to you but Trump is the one opposing the peace deals in the Middle East and proposing killing Middle Eastern civilians every time a Muslim acts out. He is not the peace candidate, he is the "tear it all down and rebuild it the way we want it to look" candidate. We're not living in a Cold War. There is no more rivalry between Russia and the United States than there is between the WNBA and the NBA. They both play the same sport but that's about it. One resents the other for the money, popularity and general success but given the unquestionable superiority of one it's not really a mutual thing. Russia is a borderline failed state that is, like many other petrol rich failed states, just about keeping its head above the surface with exports. Thats not Trumps policy in the middle east. He is clearly for non-intervention in the middle east, and would support any dictator willing to brutally crush Islamists. My point with Russia is that nobody can tell them what is right and what is wrong just like nobody can tell the US what to do. If just those two countries got along many of the Worlds problems could be solved. Sitting around and arguing about whose World view is better solves nothing in the end and only creates problems. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On July 26 2016 02:17 Plansix wrote: How does one stop the Arab Spring? And how is it worse than the economic nightmare that was 2007-2008? I believe peoples memories are very short. Edit: Man, all I can think is "What if the US was caught hacking into the servers of political parties of other nations and publishing their emails?" Nothing would happen, it is assumed that countries are constantly attempting cyber threats throughout the world. It is the fault of the security being weak and the emails being improperly handled, There will be 0 consequences to Russia if there was confirmed proof that they were behind this operation. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9236 Posts
On July 26 2016 01:34 Nyxisto wrote: Electoral college doesn't really matter much though http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dont-worry-about-the-electoral-college-math/ There's more to it than just having the same result as the popular vote. Because their existance directly affects popular vote, if the same party always wins in your area you have a good excuse to not vote. Their voter turnout is the same or lower than ours despite having campaigns run for more than double the time ours do, despite being a presidential republic unlike our semi-presidential republic, and despite having a culture that excessively prides itself on patriotism and democracy. The US hasn't reached 60% voter turnout for presidential elections since 1968. That's simply disgraceful for a country with a presidential system. Obviously there are factors other than electoral colleges contributing to this, such as the fact that 2 parties can't represent everyone, but even that is locked in with electoral colleges in a way. Hard to remove one without the other. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9322 Posts
On July 26 2016 02:17 Plansix wrote: How does one stop the Arab Spring? And how is it worse than the economic nightmare that was 2007-2008? I believe peoples memories are very short. Edit: Man, all I can think is "What if the US was caught hacking into the servers of political parties of other nations and publishing their emails?" What about this? I don't know if it's true, if it isn't then sorry for spreading misinformation. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/08/nsa-tapped-german-chancellery-decades-wikileaks-claims-merkel | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 26 2016 02:23 Sent. wrote: What about this? I don't know if it's true, if it isn't then sorry for spreading misinformation. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/08/nsa-tapped-german-chancellery-decades-wikileaks-claims-merkel We got in a lot of trouble for that. But we didn't leak her calls during a election. | ||
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Poland9322 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On July 26 2016 02:20 xDaunt wrote: It's far more likely that Hillary and Obama had to concede the position to ensure that DWS kept her mouth shut and took the bullet. Not a doubt in my mind that DWS has the potential to bring the whole party down. Clinton posting paragraphs of praise and excitement about DWS says it all really. Political suicide in any context, yet quickly and deliberately sent out. Bizarre. It's like DWS has a gun to the party's head. | ||
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silynxer
Germany439 Posts
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 26 2016 02:30 Sent. wrote: Could be because you wouldn't profit from doing that while Russians can profit from helping Trump. There are a lot of reasons, but I most think that Putin's Russia sees the US as weak and is seeing what he can get away with. And he thinks it will be easier to keep getting away with shit and get what he wants for Russia with Trump in the oval office. And I'm not really into other nations trying to manipulate our elections. Spying is a natural part of assuring your nation's sovereignty, but you do it to be informed. Not fuck with us. | ||
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KwarK
United States44203 Posts
On July 26 2016 02:22 zeo wrote: Thats not Trumps policy in the middle east. He is clearly for non-intervention in the middle east, and would support any dictator willing to brutally crush Islamists. My point with Russia is that nobody can tell them what is right and what is wrong just like nobody can tell the US what to do. If just those two countries got along many of the Worlds problems could be solved. Sitting around and arguing about whose World view is better solves nothing in the end and only creates problems. Whether or not Russia works with the US isn't really important. What Russia thinks or does about most things is unimportant. Russia is unimportant. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 26 2016 02:49 KwarK wrote: Whether or not Russia works with the US isn't really important. What Russia thinks or does about most things is unimportant. Russia is unimportant. Are you saying that Putin is fucking with the West because he doesn't get to sit at the cool kids table? Because I remember NPR doing a story a long time ago about Putin being grumpy because no one in the EU/UN listened to him. Is this the international breakfast club? | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 26 2016 02:21 farvacola wrote: I doubt that; if DWS was demanding something in exchange for her silence, she got shortshrifted hardcore lol I'm sure that other arrangements were made for her as well -- hookups for future employment, etc. The bottom line is that DWS was doing the bidding of the party, so the party is going to take care of her while doing the minimum necessary to ameliorate public outrage. | ||
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