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Read the rules in the OP before posting, please.

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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 22 2016 02:41 GMT
#87861
On July 22 2016 11:39 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2016 11:37 Plansix wrote:


why not just say that yourself instead of posting a random person's twitter

???? That is Obama's former speech writer??? You need to go back not know how NATO works I think.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 22 2016 02:42 GMT
#87862
On July 22 2016 11:39 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2016 11:36 Doodsmack wrote:
On July 22 2016 11:33 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 22 2016 11:22 Plansix wrote:


Won't matter.

Ivanka's going to be able to go around saying whatever she wants, it doesn't have to be congruent with whatever Trump's saying at all.

While Trump's appeal is limited to party lines mostly, Ivanka is about to demolish Hillary's male numbers. I guarantee you, by tomorrow morning every male chauvinist jerk is going to have the video of Ivanka on their feed knowing what she said is the antithesis to much of what Trump and they purport to support saying "See Trump's better than Hillary!"

A bunch of low information voters are going to believe that so long as she keeps selling it. She knows how invaluable she is to Trump winning, and it wouldn't surprise me one bit to find out she's been leveraging her full campaign support for more power/responsibility instead of Jr.

I don't know how the cognitive dissonance won't cause mass cranial ruptures across the country but man, Hillary is going to have absolutely nothing to run on other than "I'm not Trump", to which his response will be "You sure the hell aren't, you're more of the same status quo political bullshit we all hate" and that's going to kill.

So far this speech gives me the impression he just might be able to keep the facade of capability up (for the low information/loyal supporters) long enough to really f'in do this.


Not sure I would place so much stock in Ivanka. Trump is still a nut with some bad poll numbers.

Hes been going up for 2 months (since the judge comments) and the odds have shifted towards Trump noticeably since the last round of betting in this thread.


Well, he's still a nut with some bad poll numbers.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 22 2016 02:42 GMT
#87863
It'd be better if we did without shitposting uninteresting tweets.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18832 Posts
July 22 2016 02:43 GMT
#87864
Folks should use the link in the OP and look to the 2012 RNC. Deja vu, I'll tell ya
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23324 Posts
July 22 2016 02:44 GMT
#87865
On July 22 2016 11:36 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2016 11:33 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 22 2016 11:22 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/jesselehrich/status/756310661592915969


Won't matter.

Ivanka's going to be able to go around saying whatever she wants, it doesn't have to be congruent with whatever Trump's saying at all.

While Trump's appeal is limited to party lines mostly, Ivanka is about to demolish Hillary's male numbers. I guarantee you, by tomorrow morning every male chauvinist jerk is going to have the video of Ivanka on their feed knowing what she said is the antithesis to much of what Trump and they purport to support saying "See Trump's better than Hillary!"

A bunch of low information voters are going to believe that so long as she keeps selling it. She knows how invaluable she is to Trump winning, and it wouldn't surprise me one bit to find out she's been leveraging her full campaign support for more power/responsibility instead of Jr.

I don't know how the cognitive dissonance won't cause mass cranial ruptures across the country but man, Hillary is going to have absolutely nothing to run on other than "I'm not Trump", to which his response will be "You sure the hell aren't, you're more of the same status quo political bullshit we all hate" and that's going to kill.

So far this speech gives me the impression he just might be able to keep the facade of capability up (for the low information/loyal supporters) long enough to really f'in do this.


Not sure I would place so much stock in Ivanka. Trump is still a nut with some bad poll numbers.


He's within the margin of error pretty much everywhere (that matters) before this inevitable bump. Like I said, she'll have to stick around and eventually at least dodge some questions about her dad, but again, he's already tied after 6 months of the crazy, and now he got the arena to applaud those concepts she outlined so he's basically been given a pass to pander as much as he wants to the left so long as he sneaks in some of the red meat.

Democrats have to be out of their minds to think they are going to win a contest on whether he's just pulling a con job with someone who is already less trusted by voters than Trump even with the less trusted Media at her side it's throwing the game in champ select.

Also seriously, I recognize the code pink protester but no one there does, this has got to be sta.... Never mind... It's actually possible no one there recognized her. (But seriously how did she even get in there?)
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
July 22 2016 02:45 GMT
#87866
On July 22 2016 11:41 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2016 11:39 biology]major wrote:
On July 22 2016 11:37 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/756314822866640897


why not just say that yourself instead of posting a random person's twitter

???? That is Obama's former speech writer??? You need to go back not know how NATO works I think.

People like you are why so many people hate liberals. You treat people like shit. Piss off
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9129 Posts
July 22 2016 02:46 GMT
#87867
On July 22 2016 11:42 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2016 11:39 CorsairHero wrote:
On July 22 2016 11:36 Doodsmack wrote:
On July 22 2016 11:33 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 22 2016 11:22 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/jesselehrich/status/756310661592915969


Won't matter.

Ivanka's going to be able to go around saying whatever she wants, it doesn't have to be congruent with whatever Trump's saying at all.

While Trump's appeal is limited to party lines mostly, Ivanka is about to demolish Hillary's male numbers. I guarantee you, by tomorrow morning every male chauvinist jerk is going to have the video of Ivanka on their feed knowing what she said is the antithesis to much of what Trump and they purport to support saying "See Trump's better than Hillary!"

A bunch of low information voters are going to believe that so long as she keeps selling it. She knows how invaluable she is to Trump winning, and it wouldn't surprise me one bit to find out she's been leveraging her full campaign support for more power/responsibility instead of Jr.

I don't know how the cognitive dissonance won't cause mass cranial ruptures across the country but man, Hillary is going to have absolutely nothing to run on other than "I'm not Trump", to which his response will be "You sure the hell aren't, you're more of the same status quo political bullshit we all hate" and that's going to kill.

So far this speech gives me the impression he just might be able to keep the facade of capability up (for the low information/loyal supporters) long enough to really f'in do this.


Not sure I would place so much stock in Ivanka. Trump is still a nut with some bad poll numbers.

Hes been going up for 2 months (since the judge comments) and the odds have shifted towards Trump noticeably since the last round of betting in this thread.


Well, he's still a nut with some bad poll numbers.

His poll numbers aren't bad anymore, only 2-4 points behind Hillary on average, that's nothing given how much time there still is.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 22 2016 02:47 GMT
#87868
On July 22 2016 11:43 farvacola wrote:
Folks should use the link in the OP and look to the 2012 RNC. Deja vu, I'll tell ya

I bet Ronmey had better ratings that Trump.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
July 22 2016 02:48 GMT
#87869
Man I miss Bernie, he gave me hope and dashed it all away by supporting everything he said he was against. Fuck most politicians
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 22 2016 02:49 GMT
#87870
On July 22 2016 11:45 plasmidghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2016 11:41 Plansix wrote:
On July 22 2016 11:39 biology]major wrote:
On July 22 2016 11:37 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/756314822866640897


why not just say that yourself instead of posting a random person's twitter

???? That is Obama's former speech writer??? You need to go back not know how NATO works I think.

People like you are why so many people hate liberals. You treat people like shit. Piss off

I am very selective with who I treat like shit.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
July 22 2016 02:53 GMT
#87871
On July 22 2016 11:48 plasmidghost wrote:
Man I miss Bernie, he gave me hope and dashed it all away by supporting everything he said he was against. Fuck most politicians

I don't blame him. There is always a difference between what you want to do and what you have the political support to do. He got what he could and that's better than staying an ideologue and compromising any chance of getting what he wanted.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9129 Posts
July 22 2016 02:53 GMT
#87872
US & Europe don't seem to me like the lawless dystopian wastelands that Gingrich and Trump have described at this convention
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
July 22 2016 02:54 GMT
#87873
I just wish that political parties were banned in the US, George Washington warned us and America fucked up right afterwards
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23324 Posts
July 22 2016 02:56 GMT
#87874
Has "LGBTQ" ever been said at a GOP convention (not in disdain)?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 22 2016 02:56 GMT
#87875
It's funny how Trump enunciates "LGTBQ."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-22 02:58:11
July 22 2016 02:57 GMT
#87876
I wonder if the viewers notice the contrast between Trump's policies and those of everyone he invited to the convention as speakers. It's a big contrast, policy-wise.

I've heard that a lot of what makes "the establishment" freak out about Trump is his FP. The agenda-pushers in this thread, at the very least, seem to corroborate that view.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 22 2016 02:58 GMT
#87877
Remember: his first act will be to purge the goverment of all Obama's appointees. Never been done before in the US. Once in Germany.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
July 22 2016 02:58 GMT
#87878
On July 22 2016 11:56 GreenHorizons wrote:
Has "LGBTQ" ever been said at a GOP convention (not in disdain)?

Peter Thiel is the first person to announce to the GOP convention that he is gay
http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/openly-gay-libertarian-tech-entrepreneur-peter-thiel-speak-rnc-n614191
© Current year.
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-22 02:59:41
July 22 2016 02:59 GMT
#87879
On July 22 2016 11:57 LegalLord wrote:
I wonder if the viewers notice the contrast between Trump's policies and those of everyone he invited to the convention as speakers. It's a big contrast, policy-wise.

I've heard that a lot of what makes "the establishment" freak out about Trump is his FP. The agenda-pushers in this thread, at the very least, seem to corroborate that view.



what policies, he nasn't actually named a single one
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23324 Posts
July 22 2016 02:59 GMT
#87880
On July 22 2016 11:58 CorsairHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2016 11:56 GreenHorizons wrote:
Has "LGBTQ" ever been said at a GOP convention (not in disdain)?

Peter Thiel is the first person to announce to the GOP convention that he is gay
http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/openly-gay-libertarian-tech-entrepreneur-peter-thiel-speak-rnc-n614191


I'd seen that, and... speechless.

I meant before this one
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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