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Cowboy24
Profile Joined June 2016
94 Posts
July 20 2016 18:44 GMT
#87181
On July 21 2016 03:42 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 03:40 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 21 2016 01:42 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 21 2016 00:36 Nevuk wrote:
Trump campaign told Kasich that if he was VP Kasich would be in charge of all foreign and domestic policy while Trump was in charge of "making america great again"

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/magazine/how-donald-trump-picked-his-running-mate.html?_r=1


This is huge. He does not even intend to be president. How is this shitshow still going. god damn GOP, you really fucked up this year.

"An anonymous source from the Kasich campaign..."

lol @ anyone who buys this kind of stuff.

Its the NYT, they don't make up quotes.

Bwahahahahahahaha!

They just did.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 20 2016 18:45 GMT
#87182
Haha

All Third Eye Blind, the '90s rock band, wanted to do Tuesday night was play its songs at a charity event at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame near the Republican National Convention in Cleveland. Plus trash Donald Trump.

Republicans certainly weren't feeling it.

The band drew a round of "boos" after the lead singer, Stephan Jenkins, began speaking in support of LGBT rights and hinted at his dislike for Trump.

"You can boo all you want, but I'm the motherfucking artist up here," Jenkins told his audience.

Some fans were dismayed that the band didn't play its hits like "Semi-Charmed Life," as cleveland.com reported.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 20 2016 18:47 GMT
#87183
On July 21 2016 03:43 Cowboy24 wrote:
I agree that Hillary Clinton (and Barack Obama) definitely committed treason multiple times.

But I don't think I'd want them executed. I actually would want them in prison for the rest of their lives, serving as examples. No one should be above the law.


Bush first, if we are going down this road. Bush first.

But we are not, because this shit is a joke.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 20 2016 18:48 GMT
#87184
igne -> in response to the bolded part, let's just skip that issue.

ISIS is a militarized state acting as a direct aggressor against other states. So I don't see where the issue of preemption comes in for my point.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 20 2016 18:48 GMT
#87185
On July 21 2016 03:44 Cowboy24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 03:42 Plansix wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:40 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 21 2016 01:42 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 21 2016 00:36 Nevuk wrote:
Trump campaign told Kasich that if he was VP Kasich would be in charge of all foreign and domestic policy while Trump was in charge of "making america great again"

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/magazine/how-donald-trump-picked-his-running-mate.html?_r=1


This is huge. He does not even intend to be president. How is this shitshow still going. god damn GOP, you really fucked up this year.

"An anonymous source from the Kasich campaign..."

lol @ anyone who buys this kind of stuff.

Its the NYT, they don't make up quotes.

Bwahahahahahahaha!

They just did.

Sure thing coach.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Cowboy24
Profile Joined June 2016
94 Posts
July 20 2016 18:48 GMT
#87186
On July 21 2016 03:48 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 03:44 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:42 Plansix wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:40 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 21 2016 01:42 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 21 2016 00:36 Nevuk wrote:
Trump campaign told Kasich that if he was VP Kasich would be in charge of all foreign and domestic policy while Trump was in charge of "making america great again"

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/magazine/how-donald-trump-picked-his-running-mate.html?_r=1


This is huge. He does not even intend to be president. How is this shitshow still going. god damn GOP, you really fucked up this year.

"An anonymous source from the Kasich campaign..."

lol @ anyone who buys this kind of stuff.

Its the NYT, they don't make up quotes.

Bwahahahahahahaha!

They just did.

Sure thing coach.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson_Blair

I guess they do have a history of making up quotes!
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-20 18:51:25
July 20 2016 18:49 GMT
#87187


On July 21 2016 03:48 Cowboy24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 03:48 Plansix wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:44 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:42 Plansix wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:40 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 21 2016 01:42 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 21 2016 00:36 Nevuk wrote:
Trump campaign told Kasich that if he was VP Kasich would be in charge of all foreign and domestic policy while Trump was in charge of "making america great again"

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/magazine/how-donald-trump-picked-his-running-mate.html?_r=1


This is huge. He does not even intend to be president. How is this shitshow still going. god damn GOP, you really fucked up this year.

"An anonymous source from the Kasich campaign..."

lol @ anyone who buys this kind of stuff.

Its the NYT, they don't make up quotes.

Bwahahahahahahaha!

They just did.

Sure thing coach.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson_Blair

I guess they do have a history of making up quotes!


Relevant

zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 20 2016 18:50 GMT
#87188
On July 21 2016 03:43 Cowboy24 wrote:
I agree that Hillary Clinton (and Barack Obama) definitely committed treason multiple times.

But I don't think I'd want them executed. I actually would want them in prison for the rest of their lives, serving as examples. No one should be above the law.


what EXACTLY did they do to constitute treason? (under the proper, relevant definition)
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
July 20 2016 18:51 GMT
#87189
On July 21 2016 03:48 zlefin wrote:
igne -> in response to the bolded part, let's just skip that issue.

ISIS is a militarized state acting as a direct aggressor against other states. So I don't see where the issue of preemption comes in for my point.


ISIS is a state within the state of Pakistan?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6054 Posts
July 20 2016 18:52 GMT
#87190
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/755836720197795840

This is consistent with what he's been saying all along, that the people in the media who came out saying "I'm not interested in the VP position" were never in the running for it, usually referring to Rubio and Kasich. I would take NYT's anonymous Kasich staffer with a grain of salt, it doesn't sound like the vetting process described by Gingrich at all.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 20 2016 18:52 GMT
#87191
On July 21 2016 03:48 Cowboy24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 03:48 Plansix wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:44 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:42 Plansix wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:40 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 21 2016 01:42 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 21 2016 00:36 Nevuk wrote:
Trump campaign told Kasich that if he was VP Kasich would be in charge of all foreign and domestic policy while Trump was in charge of "making america great again"

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/magazine/how-donald-trump-picked-his-running-mate.html?_r=1


This is huge. He does not even intend to be president. How is this shitshow still going. god damn GOP, you really fucked up this year.

"An anonymous source from the Kasich campaign..."

lol @ anyone who buys this kind of stuff.

Its the NYT, they don't make up quotes.

Bwahahahahahahaha!

They just did.

Sure thing coach.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson_Blair

I guess they do have a history of making up quotes!

You just cited one reporter for a paper that has been around for 164 years. And they reacted professionally to the discovery that he made up those claims and took steps to make sure it didn’t happen again. That one novice reporter does not destroy the credibility of the entire paper.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Cowboy24
Profile Joined June 2016
94 Posts
July 20 2016 18:52 GMT
#87192
On July 21 2016 03:50 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 03:43 Cowboy24 wrote:
I agree that Hillary Clinton (and Barack Obama) definitely committed treason multiple times.

But I don't think I'd want them executed. I actually would want them in prison for the rest of their lives, serving as examples. No one should be above the law.


what EXACTLY did they do to constitute treason? (under the proper, relevant definition)

Running guns to Mexican drug cartels, the Iran deal, Benghazi, Hillary Clinton selling secrets to foreign powers. Take your pick.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 20 2016 18:53 GMT
#87193
On July 21 2016 03:52 Cowboy24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 03:50 zlefin wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:43 Cowboy24 wrote:
I agree that Hillary Clinton (and Barack Obama) definitely committed treason multiple times.

But I don't think I'd want them executed. I actually would want them in prison for the rest of their lives, serving as examples. No one should be above the law.


what EXACTLY did they do to constitute treason? (under the proper, relevant definition)

Running guns to Mexican drug cartels, the Iran deal, Benghazi, Hillary Clinton selling secrets to foreign powers. Take your pick.

None of those are treason. Some of those are made up.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
July 20 2016 18:53 GMT
#87194
On July 21 2016 03:49 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/755788382618390529

Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 03:48 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:48 Plansix wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:44 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:42 Plansix wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:40 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 21 2016 01:42 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 21 2016 00:36 Nevuk wrote:
Trump campaign told Kasich that if he was VP Kasich would be in charge of all foreign and domestic policy while Trump was in charge of "making america great again"

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/magazine/how-donald-trump-picked-his-running-mate.html?_r=1


This is huge. He does not even intend to be president. How is this shitshow still going. god damn GOP, you really fucked up this year.

"An anonymous source from the Kasich campaign..."

lol @ anyone who buys this kind of stuff.

Its the NYT, they don't make up quotes.

Bwahahahahahahaha!

They just did.

Sure thing coach.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson_Blair

I guess they do have a history of making up quotes!


Relevant

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/755836720197795840


Yes, because Trump hasn't been repeatedly shown to be a compulsive liar, eh? We're just supposed to take that tweet at face value?
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 20 2016 18:54 GMT
#87195
On July 21 2016 03:51 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 03:48 zlefin wrote:
igne -> in response to the bolded part, let's just skip that issue.

ISIS is a militarized state acting as a direct aggressor against other states. So I don't see where the issue of preemption comes in for my point.


ISIS is a state within the state of Pakistan?

pakistan isn't part of the discussion, so I'm not sure what you're tlaking about. I've been quite clear about things. This discussion all started over an airstrike killing civilians in syria.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 20 2016 18:56 GMT
#87196
On July 21 2016 03:53 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 03:49 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/755788382618390529

On July 21 2016 03:48 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:48 Plansix wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:44 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:42 Plansix wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:40 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 21 2016 01:42 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 21 2016 00:36 Nevuk wrote:
Trump campaign told Kasich that if he was VP Kasich would be in charge of all foreign and domestic policy while Trump was in charge of "making america great again"

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/magazine/how-donald-trump-picked-his-running-mate.html?_r=1


This is huge. He does not even intend to be president. How is this shitshow still going. god damn GOP, you really fucked up this year.

"An anonymous source from the Kasich campaign..."

lol @ anyone who buys this kind of stuff.

Its the NYT, they don't make up quotes.

Bwahahahahahahaha!

They just did.

Sure thing coach.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson_Blair

I guess they do have a history of making up quotes!


Relevant

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/755836720197795840


Yes, because Trump hasn't been repeatedly shown to be a compulsive liar, eh? We're just supposed to take that tweet at face value?


Your attempt to justify an obviously false slander piece is mildly entertaining
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 20 2016 18:56 GMT
#87197
On July 21 2016 03:52 Cowboy24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 03:50 zlefin wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:43 Cowboy24 wrote:
I agree that Hillary Clinton (and Barack Obama) definitely committed treason multiple times.

But I don't think I'd want them executed. I actually would want them in prison for the rest of their lives, serving as examples. No one should be above the law.


what EXACTLY did they do to constitute treason? (under the proper, relevant definition)

Running guns to Mexican drug cartels, the Iran deal, Benghazi, Hillary Clinton selling secrets to foreign powers. Take your pick.

so in other words, you have NOTHING at all; except a foolishly biased opinion. And a poor understanding of the relevant law/legal standards. And a poor understanding of what treason is.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
July 20 2016 18:57 GMT
#87198
On July 21 2016 03:51 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 03:48 zlefin wrote:
igne -> in response to the bolded part, let's just skip that issue.

ISIS is a militarized state acting as a direct aggressor against other states. So I don't see where the issue of preemption comes in for my point.


ISIS is a state within the state of Pakistan?


So the analysis runs: the Nazis were elected by the German people and were the legitimate state authority. Please run down that analysis for ISIS for me. ISIS was not elected. The people of Pakistan, as far as I know, have not asked for our help in deposing (i.e. through drone striking) illegitimate ISIS state officials or state military within the borders of Pakistan. I just don't see how your position is in any way analogous to WW2, and it just seems like you are making up the rules as you go with the only condition being that the life of one US citizen is more important than innumerable lives of foreign innocents. This should be simple application of basic Just War theory.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
July 20 2016 18:59 GMT
#87199
On July 21 2016 03:54 zlefin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 03:51 IgnE wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:48 zlefin wrote:
igne -> in response to the bolded part, let's just skip that issue.

ISIS is a militarized state acting as a direct aggressor against other states. So I don't see where the issue of preemption comes in for my point.


ISIS is a state within the state of Pakistan?

pakistan isn't part of the discussion, so I'm not sure what you're tlaking about. I've been quite clear about things. This discussion all started over an airstrike killing civilians in syria.


Oh ok, so you are fine with drone strikes in Syria but not anywhere else. I guess that's consistent.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
July 20 2016 19:02 GMT
#87200
On July 21 2016 03:57 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2016 03:51 IgnE wrote:
On July 21 2016 03:48 zlefin wrote:
igne -> in response to the bolded part, let's just skip that issue.

ISIS is a militarized state acting as a direct aggressor against other states. So I don't see where the issue of preemption comes in for my point.


ISIS is a state within the state of Pakistan?


So the analysis runs: the Nazis were elected by the German people and were the legitimate state authority. Please run down that analysis for ISIS for me. ISIS was not elected. The people of Pakistan, as far as I know, have not asked for our help in deposing (i.e. through drone striking) illegitimate ISIS state officials or state military within the borders of Pakistan. I just don't see how your position is in any way analogous to WW2, and it just seems like you are making up the rules as you go with the only condition being that the life of one US citizen is more important than innumerable lives of foreign innocents. This should be simple application of basic Just War theory.

you are now trolling.
I didn't bring up pakistan; pakistan isn't part of the discussion, and you've provided no basis for adding pakistan to the discussion. You're making up stuff I never said or implied, and in quite a rude way, when I have been very civil (in regards to your accusation of ignoring the lives of foreign innocents also).
If you stop trolling and apologize I will resume discussion with you.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
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