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SK.Testie
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Gorsameth
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 08 2016 00:14 Gorsameth wrote: So, how many hours until the reports of massive 'fraud' from CA start coming in? Once the exit polls and numbers start being reported. Then the photoshop lords will being their tireless work. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On June 07 2016 23:54 Mohdoo wrote: I think it is interesting watching people feel like they are a part of a movement or something politically. The way GH talks about Bernie and the way Testie talks about Trump makes me think that they somehow identify with the candidates and feel like they are a part of their success. It's like they are "on the team" rather than a fan. I've always wondered what makes people grasp on to things like that and feel like they are an active contributor or team member. GH did a whole bunch of canvassing for Bernie in his state I think. He absolutely was (and still is) an active contributor to the campaign. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On June 08 2016 00:10 SK.Testie wrote: It's mostly a bit of mischievous fun Glad you finally admitted it. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
You say that like it's a bad thing to also bring a little bit of light hearted fun into politics. I need fat acceptance because 4 in 10 women in the US are now considered obese NEW YORK (AP) — The nation's obesity epidemic continues to grow, led by an alarming increase among women. For the first time, more than 4 in 10 U.S. women are obese, according to new government health statistics. Obesity rates for men and women in the U.S. had been roughly the same for about a decade. But in recent years, women have surged ahead and now just over 40 percent of women are obese, compared to 35 percent of men. The percentages were reported by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in two articles published online Tuesday by the Journal of the American Medical Association. The numbers are based on small government survey that is considered the best measure of the nation's obesity problem. Though it is not altogether surprising to health researchers because the nation has long been growing more obese, it is "scary" that the statistic has reached 40 percent for women, said Dana Hunnes, a dietitian who sees obese patients at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center in Los Angeles. "It's a really alarming figure, and it's alarming that it's continuing to go up despite government calls to action on weight loss and healthy eating," she said. Why the problem is getting worse for women faster than for men remains somewhat of a mystery to health researchers. "I don't know if anyone truly knows for sure," Hunnes said. Experts say there are a range of possible explanations, including that many women are satisfied with a larger body size. The rate of obesity in women is also higher than in men across the world, although far lower overall than in the U.S. According to the World Health Organization, 15 percent of women worldwide and 11 percent of men are obese. Obesity, which means not merely overweight, but seriously overweight, is considered one of the nation's leading public health problems because it can trigger diabetes and lead to heart disease and other serious health problems. Until the early 1980s, only about 1 in 6 adults were obese. If Obama were a real president, he'd get out there and saying, "A fat nation is a dying nation. Lose weight. No government help. Just lose weight." Edit to Jaasper: It clearly needs to be mansplained then with direct evidence to clogging health care, personal risks, and all the other fun jazz that goes with it. Time to implement the fat tax. | ||
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Jaaaaasper
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ShoCkeyy
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On June 08 2016 01:19 SK.Testie wrote: You say that like it's a bad thing to also bring a little bit of light hearted fun into politics. I need fat acceptance because 4 in 10 women in the US are now considered obese If Obama were a real president, he'd get out there and saying, "A fat nation is a dying nation. Lose weight. No government help. Just lose weight." Nick, are you still living in Canada? I don't understand your position to side with Trump as a Canadian, and push his agenda in the U.S thread. Do you like Justin Trudeau? I would assume you don't because if you can align yourself with Trump, then you're pretty much against Justin since he seems like the complete opposite. And as Jasper said, Michelle has been pushing the lose weight agenda, especially in the schools. I remember having some really shitty lunches, but now they're definitely better from what all the students I know tell me. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
On June 08 2016 00:10 SK.Testie wrote: It's mostly a bit of mischievous fun from people who support Trump. You wouldn't know, you're supporting the ice queen. You guys forgot what fun was a long time ago. Fun should never be a part of politics. Politics is the societal framework through which society is expressed. It is no more romantic an idea than math. Bernie's campaign proved that. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On June 08 2016 01:46 Mohdoo wrote: Fun should never be a part of politics. Politics is the societal framework through which society is expressed. It is no more romantic an idea than math. Bernie's campaign proved that. Fun shouldn't be a part of policy* "Hey we wrote this law because it seemed fun at the time". But politics and the political discourse? We're not in the senate nor congress itself making policy here today. If anything comedians have proved poking fun at absurdities can slowly effect social changes one way or the other. However those same comedians must then come clean if they haven't brought forth the full argument to give it a truly honest weighing in peoples minds. I.e. rather than Jon saying, 'we're just a comedy show we're not responsible that's your job!' he could give a more satisfying answer. | ||
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Plansix
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
On June 08 2016 01:52 SK.Testie wrote: Fun shouldn't be a part of policy* "Hey we wrote this law because it seemed fun at the time". But politics and the political discourse? We're not in the senate nor congress itself making policy here today. If anything comedians have proved poking fun at absurdities can slowly effect social changes one way or the other. However those same comedians must then come clean if they haven't brought forth the full argument to give it a truly honest weighing in peoples minds. I.e. rather than Jon saying, 'we're just a comedy show we're not responsible that's your job!' he could give a more satisfying answer. So then what do you define as "mischievous fun"? | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On June 08 2016 01:57 Mohdoo wrote: So then what do you define as "mischievous fun"? First off, you need to be able to test wild ideas in politics. "Giving homes to the homeless" was probably a pretty wild idea and would be laughed out of many places. I seriously wouldn't doubt that it first came up as a joke and then people were like.. 'wait no.. let's run this by the numbers this might actually work'. Turns out it's probably a net benefit. We'll see over time, but it's promising or possibly 100% successful thus far. Being able to insert a joke or two into the discourse isn't killing anyone. However I can see the concern with it degrading the conversation and being harmful. Exclaiming a fat tax or that boys are now going to enter girls sports and beat the ever living shit out of them is not harmful to the political discourse. It's quite relevant. There's a substantive portion of the population that is voting culturally more than anything. Nothing is above a good mocking. Fat taxes sound ridiculous and just like a joke but we're smart enough here to know 99% of it isn't because 'you can only buy cheap food' or 'it's genetic'. If you can only buy cheap food, eat the proper calories needed on the box and go with it. Your body will adapt. Is a fat tax viable? Are fat people bad for our identity and national image? It places an extra burden on health care with the tonnes of extra health problems. Hell fat people wear out clothes faster so it's even got an effect on material goods!.. though I guess that ones kinda a + for fat people. It's also a mark against political correctness. Are we so scared to voice our concern for our fellow man that we don't want them to be healthy? Is it discriminatory to be supportive but still ask a person you like to lose weight? Or are we so up our own ass that we can never tell people what to do and to mind our own business that we just let it slide? Also we know that women can't compete against men in sports. Should trans girls be able to play sports with them? I linked the story earlier and the girls seemed pretty pissed. So we pissed off a majority to please a minority there. Are we to tell women to take testosterone and stfu and get better at sports? Serena & Venus Williams couldn't beat a guy out of the top 200 in tennis and he figured they couldn't crack the top 500. So if a Trans tennis player starts dominating, do we say "Hey this is kinda unfair.. he doesn't look womanly enough or feminine enough" or do we just celebrate it because diversity is great!? I'm genuinely asking these seemingly ridiculous questions. On June 08 2016 02:00 Plansix wrote: You assume that your humor even close to the caliber and quality of those shows. The first two mentioned were once good. Sadly it's mostly dirty pandering, applause lines, misrepresentations of the other side, and identity politics. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 08 2016 01:59 SK.Testie wrote: Guess we should have cancelled The Daily Show & Steven Colbert on day 1 then. You assume that your humor even close to the caliber and quality of those shows. | ||
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CannonsNCarriers
United States638 Posts
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Plansix
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
This video is great because the liberals can't just scream 'racist' at her they'd actually have to listen to the facts | ||
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Surth
Germany456 Posts
And fuck Jon Oliver, he's not funny, he's grating. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On June 08 2016 02:50 GGTeMpLaR wrote: This video is great because the liberals can't just scream 'racist' at her they'd actually have to listen to the facts Eh... they probably can. I usually just link them "The Killing of Farkhunda" which happens in a city center in Kabul. They will argue, "we can't ban 1.6 billion people!" Sure, but how about a very sizable subsection of them? Like those men in the Kabul city square who murdered a woman over a false accusation with fast action mob justice? What are they bringing to our country that we need? The most I've seen is good food, increased crime, and a welfare burden that they stick to for an entire lifetime quite often. Ayaan Hirsi Ali faces pressure where she goes. She also receives love and the articles not shown also have her receiving standing ovations despite Muslim students often trying to bar her and kicking up a fuss. I don't think she's even necessarily a great speaker on the subject, but because of how directly attached to it she is she will be received with additional love and additional hate as well. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/pkh6w/ddc7b49e82.png) On June 08 2016 02:58 Surth wrote: If we cant have fun in politics and philosophy, then we cant have fun anywhere. I'm definitely in favor of fun (and hence ketamine)! Would you want your mother and father to see what you're like on ketamine? Would you go to their house and say, 'hey, really strung out sup mama!' If their opinion is lowered of you, is that just their old thinking and intolerant ways? | ||
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kwizach
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On June 07 2016 18:42 Ravianna26 wrote: I can't believe the Dems are nominating someone who is sexist towards men following her own majorly flawed logic. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/06/06/clinton_trump_will_move_on_to_women_judges_because_hes_been_insulting_women_so_regularly.html What exactly is supposed to be "sexist against men" about what she said? As a matter of fact, the Trump campaign proved her right today by including female judges as well. | ||
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