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SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
May 28 2016 15:53 GMT
#77941
Ducking the debate already turning positive for Donald. It probably hurt him a little but that will wear off by election time.

https://www.gop.com/rnc-approves-debate-rul/
It's being blamed on the DNC / RNC

Proposed Amendment to Rule 10

Insert the following as section (h):
There shall be a Standing Committee on Presidential Primary Debates, which shall be composed of thirteen (13) members of the Republican National Committee, five (5) of whom shall be appointed by the Chairman of the Republican National Committee, and each of the four (4) regions shall elect two (2) members, one man and one woman, at its regional caucus at the RNC Summer Meeting in each even-numbered year in which no Presidential election is held. The chairman of the Republican National Committee shall appoint the chairman of the Standing Committee on Presidential Primary Debates from among the members thereof. The Standing Committee on Presidential Primary Debates shall have the authority to sanction debates on behalf of the Republican National Committee based on input from presidential campaigns and criteria which may include but are not limited to considerations of timing, frequency, format, media outlet, and the best interests of the Republican Party. Each debate sanctioned by the Standing Committee on Presidential Primary Debates shall be known as a "Sanctioned Debate." Any presidential candidate who participates in any debate that is not a Sanctioned Debate shall not be eligible to participate in any further Sanctioned Debates.


Truly Donald is showing his 73D chess playing once again.
Gives Bernie some of his star power. (Only way he will ever get attention at this moment)

Bernie wins a media cycle - gets some airtime
- uses the airtime to attack Trump but also the DNC
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 28 2016 15:55 GMT
#77942
Donald Trump told an an audience in California Friday that "there is no drought," according to a report from USA Today.

The state saw a record dry year in 2015 and the problem is so bad that earlier this month Gov. Edmund Brown Jr. issued an executive order creating long-term standards for water use in the state. The order bans the practice of hosing off sidewalks, washing cars with the wrong kinds of hoses and requires individuals to report their water use, according to the state's website.

Trump held rallies in the state as he prepares for the June 7 primary there.

According to USA Today, Trump told the audience in Fresno, California that water was actually being withheld from people like farmers, but that the drought was not responsible.

“We’re going to solve your water problem. You have a water problem that is so insane. It is so ridiculous where they’re taking the water and shoving it out to sea,” Trump said according to USA Today.

Trump said that if he were president, he'd have a simple solution.

“If I win, believe me, we’re going to start opening up the water so that you can have your farmers survive," Trump said according to USA Today.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
May 28 2016 15:56 GMT
#77943
Trump tries to destroy america by ruining the water system; oh the stupidity.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
May 28 2016 16:01 GMT
#77944
Oh you didn't know? Trump is actually a 20th level Cleric and plans to cast enough create water spells to supply the whole state with Trump™ brand water
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9331 Posts
May 28 2016 16:03 GMT
#77945
On May 29 2016 00:48 zlefin wrote:
Solar, could you add a tldw (too long didn't watch). I don't want to watch a 15 minute vidoe just ot find out what was said.


I'm totally objective guys, I'm not even going to vote Trump, I swear... -> Why talking shit about minorities during republican primaries is smart -> Why giving your opponents goofy nicknames is smart -> Why Clinton's strategy is shit (woman card, pretending to be an outsider) -> Why Obama's strategy would be better (focusing on her own experience and pointing out Trump was doing reality shows while she was doing serious stuff like killing bin Laden)

I missed some parts but you wanted a tl;dw
You're now breathing manually
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 28 2016 16:05 GMT
#77946
The most amazing thing:

Trump said that if he were president, he'd have a simple solution.

“If I win, believe me, we’re going to start opening up the water so that you can have your farmers survive," Trump said according to USA Today.


Not only did he not offer a solution but only what he would do currently. So when the water runs out is he is going to take Mother Nature to court? Maybe his supporters really are delusional and hysterical.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
May 28 2016 16:26 GMT
#77947
On May 29 2016 01:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The most amazing thing:
Show nested quote +

Trump said that if he were president, he'd have a simple solution.

“If I win, believe me, we’re going to start opening up the water so that you can have your farmers survive," Trump said according to USA Today.


Not only did he not offer a solution but only what he would do currently. So when the water runs out is he is going to take Mother Nature to court? Maybe his supporters really are delusional and hysterical.


We're gonna build a river and make Poseidon pay for it.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8178 Posts
May 28 2016 16:32 GMT
#77948
On May 28 2016 23:10 farvacola wrote:
Criminals? No, I don't think so. Hypocrites who don't understand what "pro-life" actually entails? Absolutely.

Threaten to expose children to be to horrible malformations so that you can cut programs that benefit the poor, that's a bit more than hypocrite. At best I would call it completely evil.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
May 28 2016 16:42 GMT
#77949
And now you can understand why I envy the position of you Europeans sometimes; if I did not need to treat and work with Republicans in my daily and future life, I'd be more willing to use blunt and potentially more accurate language
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
May 28 2016 16:52 GMT
#77950
On May 29 2016 01:03 Sent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2016 00:48 zlefin wrote:
Solar, could you add a tldw (too long didn't watch). I don't want to watch a 15 minute vidoe just ot find out what was said.


I'm totally objective guys, I'm not even going to vote Trump, I swear... -> Why talking shit about minorities during republican primaries is smart -> Why giving your opponents goofy nicknames is smart -> Why Clinton's strategy is shit (woman card, pretending to be an outsider) -> Why Obama's strategy would be better (focusing on her own experience and pointing out Trump was doing reality shows while she was doing serious stuff like killing bin Laden)

I missed some parts but you wanted a tl;dw


Cute but you can make anything sound stupid if you write it like that.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
May 28 2016 17:01 GMT
#77951
On May 29 2016 01:52 SolaR- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2016 01:03 Sent. wrote:
On May 29 2016 00:48 zlefin wrote:
Solar, could you add a tldw (too long didn't watch). I don't want to watch a 15 minute vidoe just ot find out what was said.


I'm totally objective guys, I'm not even going to vote Trump, I swear... -> Why talking shit about minorities during republican primaries is smart -> Why giving your opponents goofy nicknames is smart -> Why Clinton's strategy is shit (woman card, pretending to be an outsider) -> Why Obama's strategy would be better (focusing on her own experience and pointing out Trump was doing reality shows while she was doing serious stuff like killing bin Laden)

I missed some parts but you wanted a tl;dw


Cute but you can make anything sound stupid if you write it like that.


well, he added the tldw, and you ddin't, so I'll go with the only version I have.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
May 28 2016 17:04 GMT
#77952
On May 28 2016 23:15 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2016 21:11 biology]major wrote:
Trump can once again just attack Hillary and shame her integrity while never elaborating on his plans, he has too much ammo. Once Hillary doubts herself because she lacks integrity, she could give a thesis on how to end world hunger and it won't save her. This is going to be such an easy election for trump. Hillary's strategy should be to avoid the issues, stand her ground and relentlessly attack trump, but after having kumbaya debates with Bernie I doubt she can.

Trump won every republican debate not on the issues, but on his presence and dominance. Once his opponents doubt themselves, it's over. From what I've seen I don't think trump even knows how to doubt himself so that is never going to happen.

Those videos make her look awful btw, that gowdy guy was relentless

Nah.

Trump won the republican debates because none of his contradictors could say that what he said made no sense at all because it would have angered the base. Trump was fighting opponents who had both hands tied behind their back because the Republicans are hostage of the extremists that typically like his propositions.

Hillary will have an easy time destroying him, having not to worry about angering far right nuts who will never vote for her anyway.

Right now is the worst moment for her, but as soon as Sanders boys find a better thing to do in life than helping Trump with negative publicity and ad hominem attacks, I think she will roflstomp him.


We must have been watching different debates because he was in center being attacked for a significant portion for each one. He was accused of being no substance point blank, and he continued his one liners in their face completely unaffected. I don't see how Hillary can rattle him. He's not winning because his positions make sense, he's winning because he speaks in simple language, is pretty transparent and has a dominating personality. None of those things will be affected by the marginally weak presence of Hillary, while she gets shamed with labels such as crooked/corrupt. Only question is can she stand up to him without getting flustered?
Question.?
JW_DTLA
Profile Joined December 2015
242 Posts
May 28 2016 17:08 GMT
#77953
On May 29 2016 02:04 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2016 23:15 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On May 28 2016 21:11 biology]major wrote:
Trump can once again just attack Hillary and shame her integrity while never elaborating on his plans, he has too much ammo. Once Hillary doubts herself because she lacks integrity, she could give a thesis on how to end world hunger and it won't save her. This is going to be such an easy election for trump. Hillary's strategy should be to avoid the issues, stand her ground and relentlessly attack trump, but after having kumbaya debates with Bernie I doubt she can.

Trump won every republican debate not on the issues, but on his presence and dominance. Once his opponents doubt themselves, it's over. From what I've seen I don't think trump even knows how to doubt himself so that is never going to happen.

Those videos make her look awful btw, that gowdy guy was relentless

Nah.

Trump won the republican debates because none of his contradictors could say that what he said made no sense at all because it would have angered the base. Trump was fighting opponents who had both hands tied behind their back because the Republicans are hostage of the extremists that typically like his propositions.

Hillary will have an easy time destroying him, having not to worry about angering far right nuts who will never vote for her anyway.

Right now is the worst moment for her, but as soon as Sanders boys find a better thing to do in life than helping Trump with negative publicity and ad hominem attacks, I think she will roflstomp him.


We must have been watching different debates because he was in center being attacked for a significant portion for each one. He was accused of being no substance point blank, and he continued his one liners in their face completely unaffected. I don't see how Hillary can rattle him. He's not winning because his positions make sense, he's winning because he speaks in simple language, is pretty transparent and has a dominating personality. None of those things will be affected by the marginally weak presence of Hillary, while she gets shamed with labels such as crooked/corrupt. Only question is can she stand up to him without getting flustered?


Yes. She will not get flustered. The Benghazi hearings proved to me that she has the mettle to be a winning candidate and successful president. 11 hours and she didn't flinch.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/11/02/hillarys-moment-at-the-benghazi-hearing
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9331 Posts
May 28 2016 17:32 GMT
#77954
On May 29 2016 01:52 SolaR- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2016 01:03 Sent. wrote:
On May 29 2016 00:48 zlefin wrote:
Solar, could you add a tldw (too long didn't watch). I don't want to watch a 15 minute vidoe just ot find out what was said.


I'm totally objective guys, I'm not even going to vote Trump, I swear... -> Why talking shit about minorities during republican primaries is smart -> Why giving your opponents goofy nicknames is smart -> Why Clinton's strategy is shit (woman card, pretending to be an outsider) -> Why Obama's strategy would be better (focusing on her own experience and pointing out Trump was doing reality shows while she was doing serious stuff like killing bin Laden)

I missed some parts but you wanted a tl;dw


Cute but you can make anything sound stupid if you write it like that.


Sorry, I didn't intend to make the whole video sound stupid. I think it has some valid points, especially in the second half
You're now breathing manually
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 28 2016 17:50 GMT
#77955
Replacing pipes to solve the lead-tainted water crisis in Flint could cost at least twice previous estimates, according to a report obtained by a newspaper.

Engineering company Rowe Professional Services told the state the average cost for replacing a service water line through a completed pilot project was $7,500. The Michigan department of environmental quality previously estimated it would cost $4,000, the Detroit Free Press reported on Saturday.

The company’s report said costs could be higher if average permit fees of $2,400 per site were factored in. The largest share of that is $2,200, which includes replacing the pavement.

Representatives for Flint mayor Karen Weaver did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Governor Rick Snyder’s spokesman Ari Adler said Flint was charging “very large fees”. Weaver has said Flint needs more money from the state.

The report notes other concerns arising during the pilot project, including lead-contaminated soil that needs to be properly handled and disposed.

The city has received $2m from the state to replace about 500 lines. The state has authorized roughly $70m in funds for the emergency, and Snyder is seeking $165m more through the budget process.

Still, higher costs could hamper negotiations as lawmakers deal with lower-than-expected tax revenue and enact a new state budget with less overall spending than initially proposed.

So far, 30 lead or galvanized service pipes have been replaced as part of the pilot project. Weaver said the city soon will issue requests for proposals to complete the next phase of the Fast Start pipe-replacement program.

Officials’ decision to not apply corrosion control allowed water to scrape lead from the pipes after the city switched its water supply from Detroit’s municipal system to the Flint river in 2014 to cut costs.

That resulted in the contamination of the water supply and elevated blood lead levels for some people in the city, and may have contributed to the deaths of at least 12 people from legionnaires’ disease.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-28 17:56:04
May 28 2016 17:52 GMT
#77956
She destroyed the Benghazi committee and admittedly looked great in doing so.

Also, a non-hit piece on the drought.
Trump said he spent 30 minutes before the rally meeting with more than 50 farmers who complained to him about their struggles.

Trump appeared to be referring to water that runs naturally from the Sacramento River to the San Francisco Bay and then to the ocean. Some farmers want more of that flow captured and diverted to them. The three-inch Delta smelt is a native California fish on the brink of extinction. The smelt has become an emblem in the state’s battles over environmental laws and water distribution.

Politically influential rural water districts and well-off corporate farmers in and around California’s Central Valley have been pushing back against longstanding federal laws protecting endangered fish and other species, saying federal efforts to make sure endangered native fish have enough water is short-changing farmers of the water they want and need for crops.

Water authorities say they can’t do it because of the water rights of those upstream of the farmers, and because of the minimum-water allowances needed by endangered species in the bay and by wildlife in general.

The farm lobby, a heavyweight player in California’s water wars, also is seeking federal and state approval for billions of dollars in new water tunnels, dams, water distribution plans, and other projects.

Trump says that, “If I win, believe me, we’re going to start opening up the water so that you can have your farmers survive.”

Source

What a total ignorant prick, spending time with farmers and listening to them.

Is it the right call? No idea. But at least it's not a hit piece.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22551 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-28 17:58:06
May 28 2016 17:57 GMT
#77957
On May 29 2016 02:52 SK.Testie wrote:
She destroyed the Benghazi committee and admittedly looked great in doing so.

Also, a non-hit piece on the drought.
Show nested quote +
Trump said he spent 30 minutes before the rally meeting with more than 50 farmers who complained to him about their struggles.

Trump appeared to be referring to water that runs naturally from the Sacramento River to the San Francisco Bay and then to the ocean. Some farmers want more of that flow captured and diverted to them. The three-inch Delta smelt is a native California fish on the brink of extinction. The smelt has become an emblem in the state’s battles over environmental laws and water distribution.

Politically influential rural water districts and well-off corporate farmers in and around California’s Central Valley have been pushing back against longstanding federal laws protecting endangered fish and other species, saying federal efforts to make sure endangered native fish have enough water is short-changing farmers of the water they want and need for crops.

Water authorities say they can’t do it because of the water rights of those upstream of the farmers, and because of the minimum-water allowances needed by endangered species in the bay and by wildlife in general.

The farm lobby, a heavyweight player in California’s water wars, also is seeking federal and state approval for billions of dollars in new water tunnels, dams, water distribution plans, and other projects.

Trump says that, “If I win, believe me, we’re going to start opening up the water so that you can have your farmers survive.”

Source

What a total ignorant prick, spending time with farmers and listening to them.

Is it the right call? No idea, but it's not a hit piece.

And what, do tell, is mister Trumps solution to this drought problem?

That is what the 'hit piece" is about. It is yet another case of Trump saying "I will fix it, because I said I will fix it, it will be fixed, Now stop asking me how I will fix it. I said I would fix it".

The problem isnt that he listened. The problem is that he has no solution. As always.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
May 28 2016 17:58 GMT
#77958
Besides, farmers may have relevant opinions on water management, but they are also poorly situated to make systemic recommendations given their abject need for water in huge amounts.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
May 28 2016 18:36 GMT
#77959
this might be a stupid question, but given that farming is so water intensive, why is there such a large agriculture business in Calfifornia? Shouldn't this be completely uneconomical at this point?
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22551 Posts
May 28 2016 18:39 GMT
#77960
On May 29 2016 03:36 Nyxisto wrote:
this might be a stupid question, but given that farming is so water intensive, why is there such a large agriculture business in Calfifornia? Shouldn't this be completely uneconomical at this point?

You try telling those people they need to move somewhere else leaving thousands unemployed and then try for re-election.

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
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