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killa_robot
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KwarK
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On March 26 2016 03:59 CannonsNCarriers wrote: This scandal would hurt Cruz but help Trump. Trump is running on beta male empowerment fantasies. Trump advertises his dominance over women and all the pussy he gets. Trump plasters pictures of his wives all over the internet. Banging a bunch of high powered DC conservative women would be something Trump would advertise to his beta followers. But for Cruz this is devastating. Cruz's bus says "TrusTed", how does he keep that going after all the lies about his exploits? Cruz trots his small daughters on stage along with his wife. Cruz practically running as a preacher (though something about preachers and adultery ...). Further, what more of an insidery thing to do than to bang all these DC insider women. inside'er? I barely knew 'er | ||
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GreenHorizons
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KwarK
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On March 26 2016 04:05 killa_robot wrote: What is it with people and loving the buzzword "beta" now? Reddit decided it couldn't call people nerds anymore because everyone is a nerd and aspie got taken out of the DSM so they went full Elliot Rodgers and embraced the PUA/RedPill community. | ||
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Plansix
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On March 26 2016 04:11 KwarK wrote: Reddit decided it couldn't call people nerds anymore because everyone is a nerd and aspie got taken out of the DSM so they went full Elliot Rodgers and embraced the PUA/RedPill community. We keep acquiring our pejoratives from shittier groups. | ||
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CannonsNCarriers
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On March 26 2016 04:11 KwarK wrote: Reddit decided it couldn't call people nerds anymore because everyone is a nerd and aspie got taken out of the DSM so they went full Elliot Rodgers and embraced the PUA/RedPill community. I think it is an apt term for what Trump is selling. Trump is running on his ability to dominate other men and other women. Trump is telling his audience that his vigor, large hands, and normal sized wang can restore the hierarchy that his audience used to enjoy. Trump's policy plans rely on his own spirit accomplishing the results that time and globalization have taken from his audience. Check out all of Trump's brands; stacks of garrish advertisements of wealth and success with blondes. Those are beta male fantasies, childish ones at that. For more, check out Josh Marshall's comments on Trump: "It is all of a piece. Trump's personality and political traction is one rooted in dominance - indeed, assertions and demonstrations of dominance. We've seen it played out with his presidential competitors, often in fairly gendered terms, even with his mainly male opponents. ... Second, this tells us why many evangelicals and other traditionalist, right-wing Christians are so supportive of Trump, notwithstanding his fairly open life as a sexual braggart and libertine: because he stands - quite convincingly - for authority, hierarchy and patriarchy." http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-coming-gendered-armageddon | ||
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breaking down https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=3YSCzik5uPM&t=65 | ||
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Thieving Magpie
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Slaughter
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killa_robot
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On March 26 2016 04:19 CannonsNCarriers wrote: I think it is an apt term for what Trump is selling. Trump is running on his ability to dominate other men and other women. Trump is telling his audience that his vigor, large hands, and normal sized wang can restore the hierarchy that his audience used to enjoy. Trump's policy plans rely on his own spirit accomplishing the results that time and globalization have taken from his audience. Check out all of Trump's brands; stacks of garrish advertisements of wealth and success with blondes. Those are beta male fantasies, childish ones at that. For more, check out Josh Marshall's comments on Trump: "It is all of a piece. Trump's personality and political traction is one rooted in dominance - indeed, assertions and demonstrations of dominance. We've seen it played out with his presidential competitors, often in fairly gendered terms, even with his mainly male opponents. ... Second, this tells us why many evangelicals and other traditionalist, right-wing Christians are so supportive of Trump, notwithstanding his fairly open life as a sexual braggart and libertine: because he stands - quite convincingly - for authority, hierarchy and patriarchy." http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-coming-gendered-armageddon I mean, if you're going to bring crap like beta terminology into here, you could at least learn that it's the polar opposite of what you're actually claiming. A beta is the nice guy who lets the girls (and people in general really) walk over him in the hopes they throw him a bone. If anything, they'd be the least likely to support Trump, using him as the quintessential "See girls always go for the bad guy/rich idiot" example. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
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On March 26 2016 04:25 Plansix wrote: Having interacted with some of the truest MRA misogynist on the internet and seeing how much they love Trump, I have to agree with C&C’s interpretation. Trump is selling the exact idea of relationships they crave and want, being desired due to their merit and accomplishments, not because they are a good partner. The whole conservative movement has always been based almost solely on nostalgia for the old structure of power : at work between classes, at home between gender, and in society between races. The real deal with conservatism is to keep workers, women and black people at their place. That's actually basically it. You have to understand the fact that the GoP convinces, for example, poor uneducated white people that welfare state is evil, while they would benefit so enormously from it exclusively from the fact that they have distilled the idea that it would benefit "those people", namely the black, who of course, don't want to work. And so on, and so on. A brilliant, brilliant book on the subject is The Reactionary Mind, by Cory Robin. You'll find it here if you are interested. The introduction alone is brilliant : https://historicalunderbelly.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/reactimind.pdf | ||
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Plansix
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It is the internet version of dudes talking down to one another and calling them pussies. But instead of the locker room, we have reddit. | ||
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KwarK
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On March 26 2016 04:51 killa_robot wrote: I mean, if you're going to bring crap like beta terminology into here, you could at least learn that it's the polar opposite of what you're actually claiming. A beta is the nice guy who lets the girls (and people in general really) walk over him in the hopes they throw him a bone. If anything, they'd be the least likely to support Trump, using him as the quintessential "See girls always go for the bad guy/rich idiot" example. You're assuming that people who are naturally empowered and have all the things they desire support someone who presents all that as attainable and tells them that they deserve those things. He is arguing the opposite, that it is the people who do not have the things they feel they deserve, and seek explanations outside their own inadequacy, who like Trump's message. Call them what you will, the point is that the message that you should be great, you should have things, women, power, money, respect etc, doesn't resonate too well with people who already have all those things because they already achieved them. It's far more potent with the group who feel let down and betrayed, ultimately by their own inadequacy. | ||
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Falling
Canada11607 Posts
On March 26 2016 04:19 CannonsNCarriers wrote: I think it is an apt term for what Trump is selling. Trump is running on his ability to dominate other men and other women. Trump is telling his audience that his vigor, large hands, and normal sized wang can restore the hierarchy that his audience used to enjoy. Trump's policy plans rely on his own spirit accomplishing the results that time and globalization have taken from his audience. Check out all of Trump's brands; stacks of garrish advertisements of wealth and success with blondes. Those are beta male fantasies, childish ones at that. For more, check out Josh Marshall's comments on Trump: "It is all of a piece. Trump's personality and political traction is one rooted in dominance - indeed, assertions and demonstrations of dominance. We've seen it played out with his presidential competitors, often in fairly gendered terms, even with his mainly male opponents. ... Second, this tells us why many evangelicals and other traditionalist, right-wing Christians are so supportive of Trump, notwithstanding his fairly open life as a sexual braggart and libertine: because he stands - quite convincingly - for authority, hierarchy and patriarchy." http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-coming-gendered-armageddon Wouldn't it then be more accurate to say that Trump plays to the MRA crowd? Because I really don't think beta is a thing considering it comes from a poor understanding of wolf packs to somehow describe human behaviour in a rather deterministic way. | ||
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CannonsNCarriers
United States638 Posts
On March 26 2016 04:51 killa_robot wrote: I mean, if you're going to bring crap like beta terminology into here, you could at least learn that it's the polar opposite of what you're actually claiming. A beta is the nice guy who lets the girls (and people in general really) walk over him in the hopes they throw him a bone. If anything, they'd be the least likely to support Trump, using him as the quintessential "See girls always go for the bad guy/rich idiot" example. I may be using the term ironically. To me, the MRA/PUA trolls are the betas; even though they certainly wouldn't use the term that way. Their insistence that women are overpowering them and their calls for rampant misogyny to counter phantasmal-SJWs strikes me as beta stuff. I see Trump's appeals to their insecurities and the connection just works in my brain**. **I say this as someone who is familiar with MRA/PUA stuff and has recoiled against it. | ||
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CannonsNCarriers
United States638 Posts
On March 26 2016 05:01 Falling wrote: Wouldn't it then be more accurate to say that Trump plays to the MRA crowd? Because I really don't think beta is a thing considering it comes from a poor understanding of wolf packs to somehow describe human behaviour in a rather deterministic way. Yes, that would be more accurate. I was using some terms ironically to convey Trump's appeals from a different perspective than my own. | ||
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