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On March 23 2016 01:12 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2016 00:20 ticklishmusic wrote:On March 23 2016 00:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Hillary Clinton’s campaign early Tuesday morning pushed back against reports that former President Bill Clinton called President Barack Obama’s policies “awful,” insisting that only Bernie Sanders' campaign would openly attack the sitting president.
At a campaign stop in Washington state Monday on behalf of his wife, Clinton highlighted the former secretary of state as a change-maker but acknowledged there may be a few reasons people wouldn’t support her. He added, however, that voters should support her “if you believe we’ve finally come to the point where we can put the awful legacy of the last eight years behind us and the seven years before that,” according to USA Today.
Hillary Clinton campaign press secretary Brian Fallon sought to clarify early Tuesday that the former president was referring to Republican obstruction of Obama when he used the term “awful.”
“Sanders is only Dem in race who actually attacks @POTUS,” Fallon wrote, retweeting a report from The Hill in which Sanders criticized Bill Clinton for his comments regarding Obama.
Hillary Clinton often embraces Obama’s presidency on the trail. Sanders, meanwhile, hasn’t shied away from being critical of the president. But on Monday night he said he didn’t know that he’d “call President Obama’s 72 straight months of job growth an ‘awful legacy.’”
USA Today updated its report with a statement from Bill Clinton spokesman Angel Urena, who also maintained that Clinton was referring to Republican obstructionism.
Source Far Right PAC Releases Deceptive Video to Make It Seem Like Bill Clinton Was Bashing Obama
Sanders needs to fire his Twitter team tbh, they keep spreading misinformation. Not to mention the couple times they got owned by the Hillary Twitter. when ur foremost qualification for the bureau of propaganda is ideological fervor... misinformation is just a badge of honor showing willingness to fight the establishment.
William Clinton is just a doddering old dude at this point. Pretty painful to watch him.
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On March 22 2016 20:46 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2016 20:38 Acrofales wrote:On March 22 2016 20:30 Plansix wrote:
Just picture trying to deport all Muslims? Everyone denounced Islam publicly and hides their religion from the government, because that is what would happen. Then we have hearings where evidence is dragged out proving people are Muslim and should be deported. No possible way that would feed into the narrative that the West wants to destroy Islam. No. That will never happen, because we'll just force them to at all times wear a crescent moon badge prominently displayed on their clothing. That is when they are still living among us and are not being concentrated in specially constructed camps.
Its not camps, its self enclosed towns with walls for their protection.
Its also not a badge, its a unity brand to help them recognize each other.
Also, this is just a group shower, a safe, normal, everyday, no-way-a-gas-chamber shower to get you all clean at the same time. Please step in.
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Barack Obama urged Cuba to embrace the free market in a landmark speech in Havana that championed economic liberty rather than political reform as the key to unleashing the potential of its people.
Ignoring calls to echo Ronald Reagan’s famous “tear down this wall” speech in Berlin, President Obama drew another leaf from the cold war playbook and focused instead on the role of capitalism in transforming society from within.
“Many suggested that I came here to Cuba to tear something down, but I am appealing to the young people to lift something up,” Obama told a handpicked audience of 1,000 in the Havana theatre that hosted the last US president to speak in the country, 88 years ago.
Although calling for free elections and an end to the detention of dissidents, Obama’s trip has focused heavily on the growth of small business in Cuba as a sign of internal momentum for change that can circumvent political stalemate.
“We have a clear example of what the Cuban people can build, it’s called Miami,” he said in Tuesday’s televised speech. “Being self-employed is not about becoming more like America, it’s about being more like yourself.
“What changes come will depend on the Cuban people, we will not impose our political or economic system upon you … But having removed the shadow from our relationship, I must speak honestly about the things we believe,” added Obama.
The speech, watched by Cuban president Raúl Castro and many government officials as well as US-invited guests, was received politely, with most applause reserved for Obama’s call on Congress to fully end the trade embargo.
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obama in the pockets of small businesses
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Small business rhetoric is good for big business.
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it would be gud for cuba to have any business. much like the ghettos
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On March 22 2016 20:04 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2016 20:02 Plansix wrote:On March 22 2016 20:00 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 22 2016 19:55 DickMcFanny wrote:On March 22 2016 19:53 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 22 2016 19:34 kwizach wrote:On March 22 2016 19:27 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 22 2016 18:40 On_Slaught wrote:On March 22 2016 18:33 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
While it is harsh to say so the news out of Belgium will help Trump today.
RIP those dead in another savage terror act. Only with the ignorant (which sadly is a significant number of people). Nothing Trump has said or done makes him uniquely superior with dealing with ISIS/Islamic terror. In fact, quite the opposite. Apart from banning muslims entering the USA you mean? That makes him inferior, actually. It's a hell of a lot harder to set off bombs if you are not in the vicinity.Isn't this Molenbeeck district of Belgium where the Paris attackers lived 40% muslim? Of the 1.5 million muslim migrants that entered Europe last year we know there were thousands of ISIS.Nuff said. No, not 'nuff said'. How are you going to tell if a Pakistani immigrant is Muslim or not? You needn't be a genius to lie about that. Even if they're not a terrorist, smart immigrants will simply claim they're non-religious to avoid the scrutiny. You carry a big bag of pork rinds, offer them one and judge the reaction. Easy question.Next. They eat them in service of the cause because your plan is really stupid and treats Muslims like vampires from Buffy, not like, humans with independent thought. Ok, just keep letting millions flood into Europe every year then, with the inevitable explosion in these terror attacks.That policy has worked great so far.
Hi. I live in Europe, I am son of an immigrant, I have always had plenty of immigrants around me, and linking immigration and terrorism is not only insulting, it's also inaccurate.
If you are referring to the refugees, you just don't know what you are talking about. The terrorist attacks are not conducted by refugees, who are mostly and precisely fleeing ISIS. If you are talking about mainstream, regular immigration, you are wrong too.
What is and has been the greatest chance for terrorism in Europe is certainly not immigration, it is social injustice ; France, Belgium or the UK are full of ghettos, and nobody gives a flying fuck about what happen to the kids that were born there. Of course, that's a good place for some of them to turn horribly wrong. There are 25% immigrants in my new country (Norway). And it's fine. I live in Gronland, the most multicultural part of Oslo, people are mostly muslim and are very friendly, and it mostly goes very well. But unlike France, it's also a country that takes care of everyone. The last time we had a massive terrorist attack, it was someone thinking just like you that immigration was a threat.
Now, let me ask you a question? Millions of people are fleeing war and death. What is your solution? To let them die? Have you tried once, just once, to imagine, that YOU were a Syrian, with a family you love, and that you had the choice between ISIS and an absolutely monstrous war, and fleeing?
Even if you were right, even if terror attacks were linked to the refugee crisis (and you are not), I would accept to lose a bit of my security to offer millions of people a decent life.
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On March 23 2016 03:01 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2016 20:04 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 22 2016 20:02 Plansix wrote:On March 22 2016 20:00 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 22 2016 19:55 DickMcFanny wrote:On March 22 2016 19:53 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 22 2016 19:34 kwizach wrote:On March 22 2016 19:27 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 22 2016 18:40 On_Slaught wrote:On March 22 2016 18:33 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
While it is harsh to say so the news out of Belgium will help Trump today.
RIP those dead in another savage terror act. Only with the ignorant (which sadly is a significant number of people). Nothing Trump has said or done makes him uniquely superior with dealing with ISIS/Islamic terror. In fact, quite the opposite. Apart from banning muslims entering the USA you mean? That makes him inferior, actually. It's a hell of a lot harder to set off bombs if you are not in the vicinity.Isn't this Molenbeeck district of Belgium where the Paris attackers lived 40% muslim? Of the 1.5 million muslim migrants that entered Europe last year we know there were thousands of ISIS.Nuff said. No, not 'nuff said'. How are you going to tell if a Pakistani immigrant is Muslim or not? You needn't be a genius to lie about that. Even if they're not a terrorist, smart immigrants will simply claim they're non-religious to avoid the scrutiny. You carry a big bag of pork rinds, offer them one and judge the reaction. Easy question.Next. They eat them in service of the cause because your plan is really stupid and treats Muslims like vampires from Buffy, not like, humans with independent thought. Ok, just keep letting millions flood into Europe every year then, with the inevitable explosion in these terror attacks.That policy has worked great so far. Hi. I live in Europe, I am son of an immigrant, I have always had plenty of immigrants around me, and linking immigration and terrorism is not only insulting, it's also inaccurate. If you are referring to the refugees, you just don't know what you are talking about. The terrorist attacks are not conducted by refugees, who are mostly and precisely fleeing ISIS. If you are talking about mainstream, regular immigration, you are wrong too. What is and has been the greatest chance for terrorism in Europe is certainly not immigration, it is social injustice ; France, Belgium or the UK are full of ghettos, and nobody gives a flying fuck about what happen to the kids that were born there. Of course, that's a good place for some of them to turn horribly wrong. There are 25% immigrants in my new country (Norway). And it's fine. I live in Gronland, the most multicultural part of Oslo, people are mostly muslim and are very friendly, and it mostly goes very well. But unlike France, it's also a country that takes care of everyone. The last time we had a massive terrorist attack, it was someone thinking just like you that immigration was a threat. Now, let me ask you a question? Millions of people are fleeing war and death. What is your solution? To let them die? Have you tried once, just once, to imagine, that YOU were a Syrian, with a family you love, and that you had the choice between ISIS and an absolutely monstrous war, and fleeing? Even if you were right, even if terror attacks were linked to the refugee crisis (and you are not), I would accept to lose a bit of my security to offer millions of people a decent life.
Your problems are not Europe's to solve. Syria is a mess. The Middle East is a mess. Europe has managed to develop e a beautiful civilization. Europe deserves to reap the success of its efforts, not be dragged down by the historic violence center of the world.
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On March 23 2016 03:17 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2016 03:01 Biff The Understudy wrote:On March 22 2016 20:04 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 22 2016 20:02 Plansix wrote:On March 22 2016 20:00 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 22 2016 19:55 DickMcFanny wrote:On March 22 2016 19:53 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 22 2016 19:34 kwizach wrote:On March 22 2016 19:27 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:On March 22 2016 18:40 On_Slaught wrote:
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Only with the ignorant (which sadly is a significant number of people). Nothing Trump has said or done makes him uniquely superior with dealing with ISIS/Islamic terror. In fact, quite the opposite. Apart from banning muslims entering the USA you mean? That makes him inferior, actually. It's a hell of a lot harder to set off bombs if you are not in the vicinity.Isn't this Molenbeeck district of Belgium where the Paris attackers lived 40% muslim? Of the 1.5 million muslim migrants that entered Europe last year we know there were thousands of ISIS.Nuff said. No, not 'nuff said'. How are you going to tell if a Pakistani immigrant is Muslim or not? You needn't be a genius to lie about that. Even if they're not a terrorist, smart immigrants will simply claim they're non-religious to avoid the scrutiny. You carry a big bag of pork rinds, offer them one and judge the reaction. Easy question.Next. They eat them in service of the cause because your plan is really stupid and treats Muslims like vampires from Buffy, not like, humans with independent thought. Ok, just keep letting millions flood into Europe every year then, with the inevitable explosion in these terror attacks.That policy has worked great so far. Hi. I live in Europe, I am son of an immigrant, I have always had plenty of immigrants around me, and linking immigration and terrorism is not only insulting, it's also inaccurate. If you are referring to the refugees, you just don't know what you are talking about. The terrorist attacks are not conducted by refugees, who are mostly and precisely fleeing ISIS. If you are talking about mainstream, regular immigration, you are wrong too. What is and has been the greatest chance for terrorism in Europe is certainly not immigration, it is social injustice ; France, Belgium or the UK are full of ghettos, and nobody gives a flying fuck about what happen to the kids that were born there. Of course, that's a good place for some of them to turn horribly wrong. There are 25% immigrants in my new country (Norway). And it's fine. I live in Gronland, the most multicultural part of Oslo, people are mostly muslim and are very friendly, and it mostly goes very well. But unlike France, it's also a country that takes care of everyone. The last time we had a massive terrorist attack, it was someone thinking just like you that immigration was a threat. Now, let me ask you a question? Millions of people are fleeing war and death. What is your solution? To let them die? Have you tried once, just once, to imagine, that YOU were a Syrian, with a family you love, and that you had the choice between ISIS and an absolutely monstrous war, and fleeing? Even if you were right, even if terror attacks were linked to the refugee crisis (and you are not), I would accept to lose a bit of my security to offer millions of people a decent life. Your problems are not Europe's to solve. Syria is a mess. The Middle East is a mess. Europe has managed to develop e a beautiful civilization. Europe deserves to reap the success of its efforts, not be dragged down by the historic violence center of the world.
Except for those times when the EU drags all of the world into two massive wars in less than 50 years, including Africa and the Middle East? Then everyone was dragged down by the EU's violence. And how was that the Middle East's problem?
These simplistic world views do no service to the discussion of the Middle East or any other nation or country. The UK, US, Germany and other world powers have been a major influence on the state of the middle east for over a century.
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europe itself was the product of a barbarian invasion caused by lack of integration. the roman and greek culture eventually did flourish again but the positive influencer was still the old vestiges of empire. there are positive examples of the migrating group acquiring western values and then in turn acting as a westernizing force in their own groups/world.
the moderate elites of the muslim world itself were western educated. see eg Jordan
this migratory wave is pretty suitable for cultural conversion by their experiences.
the troublemaking elements are youth from historical french colonies in morocco/libya
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Ted Cruz on Tuesday called for a freeze on any new refugees from areas affected by Al Qaeda and the Islamic State, as well as new powers for law enforcement to patrol “Muslim neighborhoods.”
“We need to immediately halt the flow of refugees from countries with a significant Al Qaeda or ISIS presence,” the Texas senator said in a statement. “We need to empower law enforcement to patrol and secure Muslim neighborhoods before they become radicalized.”
Cruz's proposal would seemingly apply to refugees from Syria, Iraq and many other countries in the Middle East, central Asia and Africa.
Asked for specifics about Cruz's call for “empowering law enforcement to patrol and secure Muslim neighborhoods," Cruz communications director Alice Stewart declined to elaborate. “It's pretty self-explanatory,” she said.
Cruz’s comments come after the Islamic State claimed responsibility for terrorist attacks in Brussels. A series of explosions at an airport and metro station have resulted in at least 31 deaths, and more than 170 people sustained injuries. He suggested the coordinated attacks “murdered and maimed dozens of innocent commuters at subway stations and travelers at the airport. They—we—are all part of an intolerable culture that they have vowed to destroy.”
The Republican presidential candidate said Western countries can no longer deny that radical Islamic terrorism exists. “Our European allies are now seeing what comes of a toxic mix of migrants who have been infiltrated by terrorists and isolated, radical Muslim neighborhoods,” he said.
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I legitimately think Cruz would be worse for the republican party than Trump. I don't understand how the GOP seems fine with Cruz. There's no way the establishment is scratching their chin and thinking "This guy can do it". I'm really happy about it, but I'm confused.
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“We need to empower law enforcement to patrol and secure Muslim neighborhoods before they become radicalized.”
Wait am i reading this right. In order to not radicalize these people, we should treat them separately from others ???
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On March 23 2016 03:17 Mohdoo wrote:
Your problems are not Europe's to solve. Syria is a mess. The Middle East is a mess. Europe has managed to develop e a beautiful civilization. Europe deserves to reap the success of its efforts, not be dragged down by the historic violence center of the world.
please, please read some history books.
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On March 23 2016 03:49 Surth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2016 03:17 Mohdoo wrote:
Your problems are not Europe's to solve. Syria is a mess. The Middle East is a mess. Europe has managed to develop e a beautiful civilization. Europe deserves to reap the success of its efforts, not be dragged down by the historic violence center of the world.
please, please read some history books.
History is not relevant in this context. Civilizations and regions getting decimated by a foreign power is nothing new. You can't just keep digging up instances in history where someone may have been slanted and use it as a justification for something modern day. At one point you just gotta accept someone won and someone lost and move on. Europe has no incentive to be an overflow container for chaos in the middle east.
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On March 23 2016 00:20 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2016 00:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Hillary Clinton’s campaign early Tuesday morning pushed back against reports that former President Bill Clinton called President Barack Obama’s policies “awful,” insisting that only Bernie Sanders' campaign would openly attack the sitting president.
At a campaign stop in Washington state Monday on behalf of his wife, Clinton highlighted the former secretary of state as a change-maker but acknowledged there may be a few reasons people wouldn’t support her. He added, however, that voters should support her “if you believe we’ve finally come to the point where we can put the awful legacy of the last eight years behind us and the seven years before that,” according to USA Today.
Hillary Clinton campaign press secretary Brian Fallon sought to clarify early Tuesday that the former president was referring to Republican obstruction of Obama when he used the term “awful.”
“Sanders is only Dem in race who actually attacks @POTUS,” Fallon wrote, retweeting a report from The Hill in which Sanders criticized Bill Clinton for his comments regarding Obama.
Hillary Clinton often embraces Obama’s presidency on the trail. Sanders, meanwhile, hasn’t shied away from being critical of the president. But on Monday night he said he didn’t know that he’d “call President Obama’s 72 straight months of job growth an ‘awful legacy.’”
USA Today updated its report with a statement from Bill Clinton spokesman Angel Urena, who also maintained that Clinton was referring to Republican obstructionism.
Source Far Right PAC Releases Deceptive Video to Make It Seem Like Bill Clinton Was Bashing Obama
Sanders needs to fire his Twitter team tbh, they keep spreading misinformation. Not to mention the couple times they got owned by the Hillary Twitter.
lol He sure the hell was talking about Obama. Funny, when the blurb was on that book no one in Hillary's camp cared about the context, they just spread the worst possible interpretation without the full quote.
Bill was obviously saying that Hillary would be better than Obama at getting folks to work together, and certainly if he was talking about Bush and his legacy he was also talking about Obama and his.
This is more of that faux outrage I've been talking about.
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On March 23 2016 03:56 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2016 03:49 Surth wrote:On March 23 2016 03:17 Mohdoo wrote:
Your problems are not Europe's to solve. Syria is a mess. The Middle East is a mess. Europe has managed to develop e a beautiful civilization. Europe deserves to reap the success of its efforts, not be dragged down by the historic violence center of the world.
please, please read some history books. History is not relevant in this context. Civilizations and regions getting decimated by a foreign power is nothing new. You can't just keep digging up instances in history where someone may have been slanted and use it as a justification for something modern day. At one point you just gotta accept someone won and someone lost and move on. Europe has no incentive to be an overflow container for chaos in the middle east.
Please read history books to learn why history is relevant in all geo-political discussions forever.
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assimilation is always the long term play for stability. cycle of violence and ostracization is not going to help. it is really basic but seems to bear repeating
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On March 23 2016 04:00 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2016 03:56 Mohdoo wrote:On March 23 2016 03:49 Surth wrote:On March 23 2016 03:17 Mohdoo wrote:
Your problems are not Europe's to solve. Syria is a mess. The Middle East is a mess. Europe has managed to develop e a beautiful civilization. Europe deserves to reap the success of its efforts, not be dragged down by the historic violence center of the world.
please, please read some history books. History is not relevant in this context. Civilizations and regions getting decimated by a foreign power is nothing new. You can't just keep digging up instances in history where someone may have been slanted and use it as a justification for something modern day. At one point you just gotta accept someone won and someone lost and move on. Europe has no incentive to be an overflow container for chaos in the middle east. Please read history books to learn why history is relevant in all geo-political discussions forever.
So that I can understand all the complicated ways Europe managed to rip Africa to shreds? It's old news. Africa/middle east have been regularly victimized and I understand that. Their political unrest, both recently and historically are all results of western power struggles. However, that is consistent throughout history, wherein one group is pummeled and the winner reaps the rewards. My point is that Africa lost and Europe won - so move on and stop feeling guilty for our ancestors' glorious victories.
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On March 23 2016 03:57 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2016 00:20 ticklishmusic wrote:On March 23 2016 00:13 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Hillary Clinton’s campaign early Tuesday morning pushed back against reports that former President Bill Clinton called President Barack Obama’s policies “awful,” insisting that only Bernie Sanders' campaign would openly attack the sitting president.
At a campaign stop in Washington state Monday on behalf of his wife, Clinton highlighted the former secretary of state as a change-maker but acknowledged there may be a few reasons people wouldn’t support her. He added, however, that voters should support her “if you believe we’ve finally come to the point where we can put the awful legacy of the last eight years behind us and the seven years before that,” according to USA Today.
Hillary Clinton campaign press secretary Brian Fallon sought to clarify early Tuesday that the former president was referring to Republican obstruction of Obama when he used the term “awful.”
“Sanders is only Dem in race who actually attacks @POTUS,” Fallon wrote, retweeting a report from The Hill in which Sanders criticized Bill Clinton for his comments regarding Obama.
Hillary Clinton often embraces Obama’s presidency on the trail. Sanders, meanwhile, hasn’t shied away from being critical of the president. But on Monday night he said he didn’t know that he’d “call President Obama’s 72 straight months of job growth an ‘awful legacy.’”
USA Today updated its report with a statement from Bill Clinton spokesman Angel Urena, who also maintained that Clinton was referring to Republican obstructionism.
Source Far Right PAC Releases Deceptive Video to Make It Seem Like Bill Clinton Was Bashing Obama
Sanders needs to fire his Twitter team tbh, they keep spreading misinformation. Not to mention the couple times they got owned by the Hillary Twitter. lol He sure the hell was talking about Obama. Funny, when the blurb was on that book no one in Hillary's camp cared about the context, they just spread the worst possible interpretation without the full quote. Bill was obviously saying that Hillary would be better than Obama at getting folks to work together, and certainly if he was talking about Bush and his legacy he was also talking about Obama and his. This is more of that faux outrage I've been talking about.
I begin to understand how you can be so deluded as to think Sanders has a shot still.
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Tell me, what do you think of Bernie's new plan to win the election by peeling off fledged delegates and having superdelegates from states he won switch to him?
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