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On February 11 2016 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote: My read on the situation is that people don't want the state to control everything any more than they want corporations to.
What people want is for common folk to regain some influence over those two groups which are undeniably conspiring to screw them over.
This is the Bernie/Trump appeal in a nutshell.
The only problem is that Trump is anything but representative of "common folk" (especially as one of the most arrogant one-percenters out there). Supporters seem to connect with him more on a politically incorrect/ fuck the political establishment level, rather than him having the folksy charm that candidates like Sarah Palin attempted. Trump is pretty much the opposite of a soccer mom.
Yeah Trumps shtick is a total scam. But that politically incorrect/fuck the establishment/xenophobic/racist stuff is a manifestation from a similar root.
Ironically it's actually just white middle class folks falling into the same realities that marginalized people know America as always being.
Nothing would bring in more stark contrast the lies Trump is peddling than Bernie's undeniably real sincerity and goals. I mean the attack recently leveled here only stood as an example that he's been fighting for working class folks his whole political life.
Further backed up when Sanders talks about how his motivation isn't money, success, or power, it's a very real emotional reaction he has to seeing a weaker person taken advantage of by a stronger person, which stands in stark contrast to what sacrifices to common decency one must make to be a billionaire in the first place.
Trump is not a racist though. He is getting rid of illegal immigrant.
And their American families, but go on.
I'm sure it's just coincidence white supremacists are coming out to support/endorse/make calls for Trump. They're probably just bad at being white supremacists...
Still not racist though, he'll do this to any illegal immigrants, no discrimination there.
On February 11 2016 09:55 zeo wrote: What do you guys think Trumps chances are in New York? Could he swing it to Republicans or is it too far for anyone?
lol is this serious. he would get destroyed
I don't know, he's got the whole New Yorker pride thing going on. He would do much better than the other candidates at least.
On February 11 2016 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote: My read on the situation is that people don't want the state to control everything any more than they want corporations to.
What people want is for common folk to regain some influence over those two groups which are undeniably conspiring to screw them over.
This is the Bernie/Trump appeal in a nutshell.
The only problem is that Trump is anything but representative of "common folk" (especially as one of the most arrogant one-percenters out there). Supporters seem to connect with him more on a politically incorrect/ fuck the political establishment level, rather than him having the folksy charm that candidates like Sarah Palin attempted. Trump is pretty much the opposite of a soccer mom.
Yeah Trumps shtick is a total scam. But that politically incorrect/fuck the establishment/xenophobic/racist stuff is a manifestation from a similar root.
Ironically it's actually just white middle class folks falling into the same realities that marginalized people know America as always being.
Nothing would bring in more stark contrast the lies Trump is peddling than Bernie's undeniably real sincerity and goals. I mean the attack recently leveled here only stood as an example that he's been fighting for working class folks his whole political life.
Further backed up when Sanders talks about how his motivation isn't money, success, or power, it's a very real emotional reaction he has to seeing a weaker person taken advantage of by a stronger person, which stands in stark contrast to what sacrifices to common decency one must make to be a billionaire in the first place.
Trump is not a racist though. He is getting rid of illegal immigrant.
And their American families, but go on.
I'm sure it's just coincidence white supremacists are coming out to support/endorse/make calls for Trump. They're probably just bad at being white supremacists...
Didn't this whole conversation happen like two weeks ago? White supremacists have to support someone, even if there are no white supremacists running. So they endorse the person who most lines up with their views, even if that person isn't a white supremacist...this happens to be Trump since he is the most anti-illegal immigration/muslim people, which tend not to be white.
On February 11 2016 09:55 zeo wrote: What do you guys think Trumps chances are in New York? Could he swing it to Republicans or is it too far for anyone?
lol is this serious. he would get destroyed
I almost question if these people have ever seen an election or live in this country.
On February 11 2016 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote: My read on the situation is that people don't want the state to control everything any more than they want corporations to.
What people want is for common folk to regain some influence over those two groups which are undeniably conspiring to screw them over.
This is the Bernie/Trump appeal in a nutshell.
The only problem is that Trump is anything but representative of "common folk" (especially as one of the most arrogant one-percenters out there). Supporters seem to connect with him more on a politically incorrect/ fuck the political establishment level, rather than him having the folksy charm that candidates like Sarah Palin attempted. Trump is pretty much the opposite of a soccer mom.
You are missing the point. Trump is running on a populist platform. I don't think that people are going to care that he is a billionaire. You need to think of him as the second coming of Teddy Roosvelt.
Teddy Rossvelt actually gave a fuck about poor people, so not to much. Trump an ego maniac taking advantage of a defunked GOP that spend the last 4 Congressional elections promising their base shit they could never deliver. The only thing they have in common is the fact that both of them said some off color shit. Also Roosvelt's daughter was way more interesting than any of Trump's kids.
On February 11 2016 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote: My read on the situation is that people don't want the state to control everything any more than they want corporations to.
What people want is for common folk to regain some influence over those two groups which are undeniably conspiring to screw them over.
This is the Bernie/Trump appeal in a nutshell.
The only problem is that Trump is anything but representative of "common folk" (especially as one of the most arrogant one-percenters out there). Supporters seem to connect with him more on a politically incorrect/ fuck the political establishment level, rather than him having the folksy charm that candidates like Sarah Palin attempted. Trump is pretty much the opposite of a soccer mom.
Yeah Trumps shtick is a total scam. But that politically incorrect/fuck the establishment/xenophobic/racist stuff is a manifestation from a similar root.
Ironically it's actually just white middle class folks falling into the same realities that marginalized people know America as always being.
Nothing would bring in more stark contrast the lies Trump is peddling than Bernie's undeniably real sincerity and goals. I mean the attack recently leveled here only stood as an example that he's been fighting for working class folks his whole political life.
Further backed up when Sanders talks about how his motivation isn't money, success, or power, it's a very real emotional reaction he has to seeing a weaker person taken advantage of by a stronger person, which stands in stark contrast to what sacrifices to common decency one must make to be a billionaire in the first place.
Trump is not a racist though. He is getting rid of illegal immigrant.
Nah, he is a full blow bigot that thinks he can force another sovereign nation to pay us to build a wall. People just stopped pointing it out because its like saying the sky is blue.
If Donald Trump can leverage USA's position have over Mexico to strike a deal for Mexican to build the wall and give companies more incentives to stay in USA (unlike Sanders) so that people can be productive in the society by working. Then that's great news for every legal Americans.
On February 11 2016 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote: My read on the situation is that people don't want the state to control everything any more than they want corporations to.
What people want is for common folk to regain some influence over those two groups which are undeniably conspiring to screw them over.
This is the Bernie/Trump appeal in a nutshell.
The only problem is that Trump is anything but representative of "common folk" (especially as one of the most arrogant one-percenters out there). Supporters seem to connect with him more on a politically incorrect/ fuck the political establishment level, rather than him having the folksy charm that candidates like Sarah Palin attempted. Trump is pretty much the opposite of a soccer mom.
Yeah Trumps shtick is a total scam. But that politically incorrect/fuck the establishment/xenophobic/racist stuff is a manifestation from a similar root.
Ironically it's actually just white middle class folks falling into the same realities that marginalized people know America as always being.
Nothing would bring in more stark contrast the lies Trump is peddling than Bernie's undeniably real sincerity and goals. I mean the attack recently leveled here only stood as an example that he's been fighting for working class folks his whole political life.
Further backed up when Sanders talks about how his motivation isn't money, success, or power, it's a very real emotional reaction he has to seeing a weaker person taken advantage of by a stronger person, which stands in stark contrast to what sacrifices to common decency one must make to be a billionaire in the first place.
Trump is not a racist though. He is getting rid of illegal immigrant.
And their American families, but go on.
I'm sure it's just coincidence white supremacists are coming out to support/endorse/make calls for Trump. They're probably just bad at being white supremacists...
Didn't this whole conversation happen like two weeks ago? White supremacists have to support someone, even if there are no white supremacists running. So they endorse the person who most lines up with their views, even if that person isn't a white supremacist...this happens to be Trump since he is the most anti-illegal immigration/muslim people, which tend not to be white.
Its an ongoing discussion because some people don't seem to be able to accept that someone is racist unless they burn across on black family's lawn. And then they requires confirmation the cross burning wasn't satire and the black family didn't do anything to provoke the cross burning.
On February 11 2016 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote: My read on the situation is that people don't want the state to control everything any more than they want corporations to.
What people want is for common folk to regain some influence over those two groups which are undeniably conspiring to screw them over.
This is the Bernie/Trump appeal in a nutshell.
The only problem is that Trump is anything but representative of "common folk" (especially as one of the most arrogant one-percenters out there). Supporters seem to connect with him more on a politically incorrect/ fuck the political establishment level, rather than him having the folksy charm that candidates like Sarah Palin attempted. Trump is pretty much the opposite of a soccer mom.
You are missing the point. Trump is running on a populist platform. I don't think that people are going to care that he is a billionaire. You need to think of him as the second coming of Teddy Roosvelt.
Teddy Rossvelt actually gave a fuck about poor people, so not to much. Trump an ego maniac taking advantage of a defunked GOP that spend the last 4 Congressional elections promising their base shit they could never deliver. The only thing they have in common is the fact that both of them said some off color shit. Also Roosvelt's daughter was way more interesting than any of Trump's kids.
On February 11 2016 09:55 ErectedZenith wrote:
On February 11 2016 09:33 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 11 2016 09:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On February 11 2016 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote: My read on the situation is that people don't want the state to control everything any more than they want corporations to.
What people want is for common folk to regain some influence over those two groups which are undeniably conspiring to screw them over.
This is the Bernie/Trump appeal in a nutshell.
The only problem is that Trump is anything but representative of "common folk" (especially as one of the most arrogant one-percenters out there). Supporters seem to connect with him more on a politically incorrect/ fuck the political establishment level, rather than him having the folksy charm that candidates like Sarah Palin attempted. Trump is pretty much the opposite of a soccer mom.
Yeah Trumps shtick is a total scam. But that politically incorrect/fuck the establishment/xenophobic/racist stuff is a manifestation from a similar root.
Ironically it's actually just white middle class folks falling into the same realities that marginalized people know America as always being.
Nothing would bring in more stark contrast the lies Trump is peddling than Bernie's undeniably real sincerity and goals. I mean the attack recently leveled here only stood as an example that he's been fighting for working class folks his whole political life.
Further backed up when Sanders talks about how his motivation isn't money, success, or power, it's a very real emotional reaction he has to seeing a weaker person taken advantage of by a stronger person, which stands in stark contrast to what sacrifices to common decency one must make to be a billionaire in the first place.
Trump is not a racist though. He is getting rid of illegal immigrant.
Nah, he is a full blow bigot that thinks he can force another sovereign nation to pay us to build a wall. People just stopped pointing it out because its like saying the sky is blue.
If Donald Trump can leverage USA's position have over Mexico to strike a deal for Mexican to build the wall and give companies more incentives to stay in USA (unlike Sanders) so that people can be productive in the society by working. Then that's great news for every legal Americans.
Yeah, that is never going to happen. That isn't' reality, that is a racist pipe dream. Mexico isn't going to do shit except laugh.
On February 11 2016 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote: My read on the situation is that people don't want the state to control everything any more than they want corporations to.
What people want is for common folk to regain some influence over those two groups which are undeniably conspiring to screw them over.
This is the Bernie/Trump appeal in a nutshell.
The only problem is that Trump is anything but representative of "common folk" (especially as one of the most arrogant one-percenters out there). Supporters seem to connect with him more on a politically incorrect/ fuck the political establishment level, rather than him having the folksy charm that candidates like Sarah Palin attempted. Trump is pretty much the opposite of a soccer mom.
Yeah Trumps shtick is a total scam. But that politically incorrect/fuck the establishment/xenophobic/racist stuff is a manifestation from a similar root.
Ironically it's actually just white middle class folks falling into the same realities that marginalized people know America as always being.
Nothing would bring in more stark contrast the lies Trump is peddling than Bernie's undeniably real sincerity and goals. I mean the attack recently leveled here only stood as an example that he's been fighting for working class folks his whole political life.
Further backed up when Sanders talks about how his motivation isn't money, success, or power, it's a very real emotional reaction he has to seeing a weaker person taken advantage of by a stronger person, which stands in stark contrast to what sacrifices to common decency one must make to be a billionaire in the first place.
Trump is not a racist though. He is getting rid of illegal immigrant.
And their American families, but go on.
I'm sure it's just coincidence white supremacists are coming out to support/endorse/make calls for Trump. They're probably just bad at being white supremacists...
Didn't this whole conversation happen like two weeks ago? White supremacists have to support someone, even if there are no white supremacists running. So they endorse the person who most lines up with their views, even if that person isn't a white supremacist...this happens to be Trump since he is the most anti-illegal immigration/muslim people, which tend not to be white.
Its an ongoing discussion because some people don't seem to be able to accept that someone is racist unless they burn across on black family's lawn. And then they requires confirmation the cross burning wasn't satire and the black family didn't do anything to provoke the cross burning.
Whether Trump happens to be racist or not isn't the point. The point is that just because a racist group supports someone doesn't mean that the person they're supporting is automatically a racist.
On February 11 2016 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote: My read on the situation is that people don't want the state to control everything any more than they want corporations to.
What people want is for common folk to regain some influence over those two groups which are undeniably conspiring to screw them over.
This is the Bernie/Trump appeal in a nutshell.
The only problem is that Trump is anything but representative of "common folk" (especially as one of the most arrogant one-percenters out there). Supporters seem to connect with him more on a politically incorrect/ fuck the political establishment level, rather than him having the folksy charm that candidates like Sarah Palin attempted. Trump is pretty much the opposite of a soccer mom.
You are missing the point. Trump is running on a populist platform. I don't think that people are going to care that he is a billionaire. You need to think of him as the second coming of Teddy Roosvelt.
Teddy Rossvelt actually gave a fuck about poor people, so not to much. Trump an ego maniac taking advantage of a defunked GOP that spend the last 4 Congressional elections promising their base shit they could never deliver. The only thing they have in common is the fact that both of them said some off color shit. Also Roosvelt's daughter was way more interesting than any of Trump's kids.
On February 11 2016 09:55 ErectedZenith wrote:
On February 11 2016 09:33 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 11 2016 09:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On February 11 2016 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote: My read on the situation is that people don't want the state to control everything any more than they want corporations to.
What people want is for common folk to regain some influence over those two groups which are undeniably conspiring to screw them over.
This is the Bernie/Trump appeal in a nutshell.
The only problem is that Trump is anything but representative of "common folk" (especially as one of the most arrogant one-percenters out there). Supporters seem to connect with him more on a politically incorrect/ fuck the political establishment level, rather than him having the folksy charm that candidates like Sarah Palin attempted. Trump is pretty much the opposite of a soccer mom.
Yeah Trumps shtick is a total scam. But that politically incorrect/fuck the establishment/xenophobic/racist stuff is a manifestation from a similar root.
Ironically it's actually just white middle class folks falling into the same realities that marginalized people know America as always being.
Nothing would bring in more stark contrast the lies Trump is peddling than Bernie's undeniably real sincerity and goals. I mean the attack recently leveled here only stood as an example that he's been fighting for working class folks his whole political life.
Further backed up when Sanders talks about how his motivation isn't money, success, or power, it's a very real emotional reaction he has to seeing a weaker person taken advantage of by a stronger person, which stands in stark contrast to what sacrifices to common decency one must make to be a billionaire in the first place.
Trump is not a racist though. He is getting rid of illegal immigrant.
Nah, he is a full blow bigot that thinks he can force another sovereign nation to pay us to build a wall. People just stopped pointing it out because its like saying the sky is blue.
If Donald Trump can leverage USA's position have over Mexico to strike a deal for Mexican to build the wall and give companies more incentives to stay in USA (unlike Sanders) so that people can be productive in the society by working. Then that's great news for every legal Americans.
Much like Sanders' promises, there is 0% chance that Mexico pays for a wall. Trump is all bluster, with some left-wing ideas he doesn't elaborate on and strange populist ones that he also doesn't elaborate on.
Edit: I don't mind (or at least I understand) trumped up (heh) promises during campaign seasons, but Trump doesn't even have the slightest bit of policy substance behind what he says. Proposing a a flat tax that will never happen is one thing, but getting Mexico to build a wall is new level of amazing.
On February 11 2016 08:39 oneofthem wrote: GH what u say about an ad that would use this sanders voice clip right here.
I say Eugene Debs 2016. The working class candidate.
it isn't going to work though. not unless you lock up the trades and be content with some steady state of stagnation. also a disastrous move just in terms of global development.
It's not going to work within the present system. That's why revolution is needed. Sustainable steady state should be the end goal. This fantasy of no-limits growth forever is the ideological air that everyone is breathing without question.
On February 11 2016 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote: My read on the situation is that people don't want the state to control everything any more than they want corporations to.
What people want is for common folk to regain some influence over those two groups which are undeniably conspiring to screw them over.
This is the Bernie/Trump appeal in a nutshell.
The only problem is that Trump is anything but representative of "common folk" (especially as one of the most arrogant one-percenters out there). Supporters seem to connect with him more on a politically incorrect/ fuck the political establishment level, rather than him having the folksy charm that candidates like Sarah Palin attempted. Trump is pretty much the opposite of a soccer mom.
You are missing the point. Trump is running on a populist platform. I don't think that people are going to care that he is a billionaire. You need to think of him as the second coming of Teddy Roosvelt.
Teddy Rossvelt actually gave a fuck about poor people, so not to much. Trump an ego maniac taking advantage of a defunked GOP that spend the last 4 Congressional elections promising their base shit they could never deliver. The only thing they have in common is the fact that both of them said some off color shit. Also Roosvelt's daughter was way more interesting than any of Trump's kids.
On February 11 2016 09:55 ErectedZenith wrote:
On February 11 2016 09:33 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 11 2016 09:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On February 11 2016 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote: My read on the situation is that people don't want the state to control everything any more than they want corporations to.
What people want is for common folk to regain some influence over those two groups which are undeniably conspiring to screw them over.
This is the Bernie/Trump appeal in a nutshell.
The only problem is that Trump is anything but representative of "common folk" (especially as one of the most arrogant one-percenters out there). Supporters seem to connect with him more on a politically incorrect/ fuck the political establishment level, rather than him having the folksy charm that candidates like Sarah Palin attempted. Trump is pretty much the opposite of a soccer mom.
Yeah Trumps shtick is a total scam. But that politically incorrect/fuck the establishment/xenophobic/racist stuff is a manifestation from a similar root.
Ironically it's actually just white middle class folks falling into the same realities that marginalized people know America as always being.
Nothing would bring in more stark contrast the lies Trump is peddling than Bernie's undeniably real sincerity and goals. I mean the attack recently leveled here only stood as an example that he's been fighting for working class folks his whole political life.
Further backed up when Sanders talks about how his motivation isn't money, success, or power, it's a very real emotional reaction he has to seeing a weaker person taken advantage of by a stronger person, which stands in stark contrast to what sacrifices to common decency one must make to be a billionaire in the first place.
Trump is not a racist though. He is getting rid of illegal immigrant.
Nah, he is a full blow bigot that thinks he can force another sovereign nation to pay us to build a wall. People just stopped pointing it out because its like saying the sky is blue.
If Donald Trump can leverage USA's position have over Mexico to strike a deal for Mexican to build the wall and give companies more incentives to stay in USA (unlike Sanders) so that people can be productive in the society by working. Then that's great news for every legal Americans.
Yeah, that is never going to happen. That isn't' reality, that is a racist pipe dream. Mexico isn't going to do shit except laugh.
Its not racist though, you are definitely wrong on that.
And Mexico's economy is pretty much reliant on USA, USA is a huge factor to dictate the direction of Mexico. Any elected USA president can abuse American's position and make a deal that is exclusively beneficial for USA.
On February 11 2016 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote: My read on the situation is that people don't want the state to control everything any more than they want corporations to.
What people want is for common folk to regain some influence over those two groups which are undeniably conspiring to screw them over.
This is the Bernie/Trump appeal in a nutshell.
The only problem is that Trump is anything but representative of "common folk" (especially as one of the most arrogant one-percenters out there). Supporters seem to connect with him more on a politically incorrect/ fuck the political establishment level, rather than him having the folksy charm that candidates like Sarah Palin attempted. Trump is pretty much the opposite of a soccer mom.
Yeah Trumps shtick is a total scam. But that politically incorrect/fuck the establishment/xenophobic/racist stuff is a manifestation from a similar root.
Ironically it's actually just white middle class folks falling into the same realities that marginalized people know America as always being.
Nothing would bring in more stark contrast the lies Trump is peddling than Bernie's undeniably real sincerity and goals. I mean the attack recently leveled here only stood as an example that he's been fighting for working class folks his whole political life.
Further backed up when Sanders talks about how his motivation isn't money, success, or power, it's a very real emotional reaction he has to seeing a weaker person taken advantage of by a stronger person, which stands in stark contrast to what sacrifices to common decency one must make to be a billionaire in the first place.
Trump is not a racist though. He is getting rid of illegal immigrant.
And their American families, but go on.
I'm sure it's just coincidence white supremacists are coming out to support/endorse/make calls for Trump. They're probably just bad at being white supremacists...
Didn't this whole conversation happen like two weeks ago? White supremacists have to support someone, even if there are no white supremacists running. So they endorse the person who most lines up with their views, even if that person isn't a white supremacist...this happens to be Trump since he is the most anti-illegal immigration/muslim people, which tend not to be white.
Its an ongoing discussion because some people don't seem to be able to accept that someone is racist unless they burn across on black family's lawn. And then they requires confirmation the cross burning wasn't satire and the black family didn't do anything to provoke the cross burning.
Whether Trump happens to be racist or not isn't the point. The point is that just because a racist group supports someone doesn't mean that the person they're supporting is automatically a racist.
He says racist things all the time. Talked about Mexico was sending over rapists and murders like it was real. He wants to create a data base for Muslims(not a race, I know, but I bet that data base would be filled with brown people). The man is super racist.
And if racists groups support him, that is the reality of the situation. You act like there is nothing he could do to stop them, yet all it would take is to not be a super racist bigot.
Also, he has said that the flat earth people might be on to something and hinted at denying the holocaust.
On February 11 2016 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote: My read on the situation is that people don't want the state to control everything any more than they want corporations to.
What people want is for common folk to regain some influence over those two groups which are undeniably conspiring to screw them over.
This is the Bernie/Trump appeal in a nutshell.
The only problem is that Trump is anything but representative of "common folk" (especially as one of the most arrogant one-percenters out there). Supporters seem to connect with him more on a politically incorrect/ fuck the political establishment level, rather than him having the folksy charm that candidates like Sarah Palin attempted. Trump is pretty much the opposite of a soccer mom.
You are missing the point. Trump is running on a populist platform. I don't think that people are going to care that he is a billionaire. You need to think of him as the second coming of Teddy Roosvelt.
Teddy Rossvelt actually gave a fuck about poor people, so not to much. Trump an ego maniac taking advantage of a defunked GOP that spend the last 4 Congressional elections promising their base shit they could never deliver. The only thing they have in common is the fact that both of them said some off color shit. Also Roosvelt's daughter was way more interesting than any of Trump's kids.
On February 11 2016 09:55 ErectedZenith wrote:
On February 11 2016 09:33 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 11 2016 09:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On February 11 2016 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote: My read on the situation is that people don't want the state to control everything any more than they want corporations to.
What people want is for common folk to regain some influence over those two groups which are undeniably conspiring to screw them over.
This is the Bernie/Trump appeal in a nutshell.
The only problem is that Trump is anything but representative of "common folk" (especially as one of the most arrogant one-percenters out there). Supporters seem to connect with him more on a politically incorrect/ fuck the political establishment level, rather than him having the folksy charm that candidates like Sarah Palin attempted. Trump is pretty much the opposite of a soccer mom.
Yeah Trumps shtick is a total scam. But that politically incorrect/fuck the establishment/xenophobic/racist stuff is a manifestation from a similar root.
Ironically it's actually just white middle class folks falling into the same realities that marginalized people know America as always being.
Nothing would bring in more stark contrast the lies Trump is peddling than Bernie's undeniably real sincerity and goals. I mean the attack recently leveled here only stood as an example that he's been fighting for working class folks his whole political life.
Further backed up when Sanders talks about how his motivation isn't money, success, or power, it's a very real emotional reaction he has to seeing a weaker person taken advantage of by a stronger person, which stands in stark contrast to what sacrifices to common decency one must make to be a billionaire in the first place.
Trump is not a racist though. He is getting rid of illegal immigrant.
Nah, he is a full blow bigot that thinks he can force another sovereign nation to pay us to build a wall. People just stopped pointing it out because its like saying the sky is blue.
If Donald Trump can leverage USA's position have over Mexico to strike a deal for Mexican to build the wall and give companies more incentives to stay in USA (unlike Sanders) so that people can be productive in the society by working. Then that's great news for every legal Americans.
Yeah, that is never going to happen. That isn't' reality, that is a racist pipe dream. Mexico isn't going to do shit except laugh.
Its not racist though, you are definitely wrong on that.
And Mexico's economy is pretty much reliant on USA, USA is a huge factor to dictate the direction of Mexico. Any elected USA president can abuse American's position and make a deal that is exclusively beneficial for USA.
Obama can do it, Sanders can too.
It was mostly all the other racist stuff he said that made me call him racist. The wall is just stupid. It was stupid when China did it and its still stupid today. And America need immigrants, illegal and otherwise. Reforming immigration is the real plan, not this populist pipe dream Trump is shilling.
On February 11 2016 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote: My read on the situation is that people don't want the state to control everything any more than they want corporations to.
What people want is for common folk to regain some influence over those two groups which are undeniably conspiring to screw them over.
This is the Bernie/Trump appeal in a nutshell.
The only problem is that Trump is anything but representative of "common folk" (especially as one of the most arrogant one-percenters out there). Supporters seem to connect with him more on a politically incorrect/ fuck the political establishment level, rather than him having the folksy charm that candidates like Sarah Palin attempted. Trump is pretty much the opposite of a soccer mom.
Yeah Trumps shtick is a total scam. But that politically incorrect/fuck the establishment/xenophobic/racist stuff is a manifestation from a similar root.
Ironically it's actually just white middle class folks falling into the same realities that marginalized people know America as always being.
Nothing would bring in more stark contrast the lies Trump is peddling than Bernie's undeniably real sincerity and goals. I mean the attack recently leveled here only stood as an example that he's been fighting for working class folks his whole political life.
Further backed up when Sanders talks about how his motivation isn't money, success, or power, it's a very real emotional reaction he has to seeing a weaker person taken advantage of by a stronger person, which stands in stark contrast to what sacrifices to common decency one must make to be a billionaire in the first place.
Trump is not a racist though. He is getting rid of illegal immigrant.
And their American families, but go on.
I'm sure it's just coincidence white supremacists are coming out to support/endorse/make calls for Trump. They're probably just bad at being white supremacists...
Still not racist though, he'll do this to any illegal immigrants, no discrimination there.
You can be anti- illegal immigration and still be racist/ bigoted. The things he's said about Mexicans, Muslims, women, and a bunch of other groups supports the argument that he's a hateful and prejudicial man.
On February 11 2016 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote: My read on the situation is that people don't want the state to control everything any more than they want corporations to.
What people want is for common folk to regain some influence over those two groups which are undeniably conspiring to screw them over.
This is the Bernie/Trump appeal in a nutshell.
The only problem is that Trump is anything but representative of "common folk" (especially as one of the most arrogant one-percenters out there). Supporters seem to connect with him more on a politically incorrect/ fuck the political establishment level, rather than him having the folksy charm that candidates like Sarah Palin attempted. Trump is pretty much the opposite of a soccer mom.
You are missing the point. Trump is running on a populist platform. I don't think that people are going to care that he is a billionaire. You need to think of him as the second coming of Teddy Roosvelt.
Teddy Rossvelt actually gave a fuck about poor people, so not to much. Trump an ego maniac taking advantage of a defunked GOP that spend the last 4 Congressional elections promising their base shit they could never deliver. The only thing they have in common is the fact that both of them said some off color shit. Also Roosvelt's daughter was way more interesting than any of Trump's kids.
On February 11 2016 09:55 ErectedZenith wrote:
On February 11 2016 09:33 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 11 2016 09:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On February 11 2016 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote: My read on the situation is that people don't want the state to control everything any more than they want corporations to.
What people want is for common folk to regain some influence over those two groups which are undeniably conspiring to screw them over.
This is the Bernie/Trump appeal in a nutshell.
The only problem is that Trump is anything but representative of "common folk" (especially as one of the most arrogant one-percenters out there). Supporters seem to connect with him more on a politically incorrect/ fuck the political establishment level, rather than him having the folksy charm that candidates like Sarah Palin attempted. Trump is pretty much the opposite of a soccer mom.
Yeah Trumps shtick is a total scam. But that politically incorrect/fuck the establishment/xenophobic/racist stuff is a manifestation from a similar root.
Ironically it's actually just white middle class folks falling into the same realities that marginalized people know America as always being.
Nothing would bring in more stark contrast the lies Trump is peddling than Bernie's undeniably real sincerity and goals. I mean the attack recently leveled here only stood as an example that he's been fighting for working class folks his whole political life.
Further backed up when Sanders talks about how his motivation isn't money, success, or power, it's a very real emotional reaction he has to seeing a weaker person taken advantage of by a stronger person, which stands in stark contrast to what sacrifices to common decency one must make to be a billionaire in the first place.
Trump is not a racist though. He is getting rid of illegal immigrant.
Nah, he is a full blow bigot that thinks he can force another sovereign nation to pay us to build a wall. People just stopped pointing it out because its like saying the sky is blue.
If Donald Trump can leverage USA's position have over Mexico to strike a deal for Mexican to build the wall and give companies more incentives to stay in USA (unlike Sanders) so that people can be productive in the society by working. Then that's great news for every legal Americans.
Yeah, that is never going to happen. That isn't' reality, that is a racist pipe dream. Mexico isn't going to do shit except laugh.
Its not racist though, you are definitely wrong on that.
And Mexico's economy is pretty much reliant on USA, USA is a huge factor to dictate the direction of Mexico. Any elected USA president can abuse American's position and make a deal that is exclusively beneficial for USA.
Obama can do it, Sanders can too.
Obama knows how to be diplomatic though. Trump absolutely does not. He has no tact. He thinks that world leaders will just bend over for him. He's wayyy wrong.
On February 11 2016 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote: My read on the situation is that people don't want the state to control everything any more than they want corporations to.
What people want is for common folk to regain some influence over those two groups which are undeniably conspiring to screw them over.
This is the Bernie/Trump appeal in a nutshell.
The only problem is that Trump is anything but representative of "common folk" (especially as one of the most arrogant one-percenters out there). Supporters seem to connect with him more on a politically incorrect/ fuck the political establishment level, rather than him having the folksy charm that candidates like Sarah Palin attempted. Trump is pretty much the opposite of a soccer mom.
You are missing the point. Trump is running on a populist platform. I don't think that people are going to care that he is a billionaire. You need to think of him as the second coming of Teddy Roosvelt.
Teddy Rossvelt actually gave a fuck about poor people, so not to much. Trump an ego maniac taking advantage of a defunked GOP that spend the last 4 Congressional elections promising their base shit they could never deliver. The only thing they have in common is the fact that both of them said some off color shit. Also Roosvelt's daughter was way more interesting than any of Trump's kids.
On February 11 2016 09:55 ErectedZenith wrote:
On February 11 2016 09:33 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 11 2016 09:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On February 11 2016 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote: My read on the situation is that people don't want the state to control everything any more than they want corporations to.
What people want is for common folk to regain some influence over those two groups which are undeniably conspiring to screw them over.
This is the Bernie/Trump appeal in a nutshell.
The only problem is that Trump is anything but representative of "common folk" (especially as one of the most arrogant one-percenters out there). Supporters seem to connect with him more on a politically incorrect/ fuck the political establishment level, rather than him having the folksy charm that candidates like Sarah Palin attempted. Trump is pretty much the opposite of a soccer mom.
Yeah Trumps shtick is a total scam. But that politically incorrect/fuck the establishment/xenophobic/racist stuff is a manifestation from a similar root.
Ironically it's actually just white middle class folks falling into the same realities that marginalized people know America as always being.
Nothing would bring in more stark contrast the lies Trump is peddling than Bernie's undeniably real sincerity and goals. I mean the attack recently leveled here only stood as an example that he's been fighting for working class folks his whole political life.
Further backed up when Sanders talks about how his motivation isn't money, success, or power, it's a very real emotional reaction he has to seeing a weaker person taken advantage of by a stronger person, which stands in stark contrast to what sacrifices to common decency one must make to be a billionaire in the first place.
Trump is not a racist though. He is getting rid of illegal immigrant.
Nah, he is a full blow bigot that thinks he can force another sovereign nation to pay us to build a wall. People just stopped pointing it out because its like saying the sky is blue.
If Donald Trump can leverage USA's position have over Mexico to strike a deal for Mexican to build the wall and give companies more incentives to stay in USA (unlike Sanders) so that people can be productive in the society by working. Then that's great news for every legal Americans.
Yeah, that is never going to happen. That isn't' reality, that is a racist pipe dream. Mexico isn't going to do shit except laugh.
Its not racist though, you are definitely wrong on that.
And Mexico's economy is pretty much reliant on USA, USA is a huge factor to dictate the direction of Mexico. Any elected USA president can abuse American's position and make a deal that is exclusively beneficial for USA.
Obama can do it, Sanders can too.
It was mostly all the other racist stuff he said that made me call him racist. The wall is just stupid. It was stupid when China did it and its still stupid today. And America need immigrants, illegal and otherwise. Reforming immigration is the real plan, not this populist pipe dream Trump is shilling.
It wasn't stupid when China did it, they truly needed the wall for protection. That's so ignorant.
Again, if Trump can make Mexico pay for the wall, all the power to him.
And Trump isn't even saying to stop immigration, he is saying that USA should take in better candidates to improve the country.
On February 11 2016 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote: My read on the situation is that people don't want the state to control everything any more than they want corporations to.
What people want is for common folk to regain some influence over those two groups which are undeniably conspiring to screw them over.
This is the Bernie/Trump appeal in a nutshell.
The only problem is that Trump is anything but representative of "common folk" (especially as one of the most arrogant one-percenters out there). Supporters seem to connect with him more on a politically incorrect/ fuck the political establishment level, rather than him having the folksy charm that candidates like Sarah Palin attempted. Trump is pretty much the opposite of a soccer mom.
Yeah Trumps shtick is a total scam. But that politically incorrect/fuck the establishment/xenophobic/racist stuff is a manifestation from a similar root.
Ironically it's actually just white middle class folks falling into the same realities that marginalized people know America as always being.
Nothing would bring in more stark contrast the lies Trump is peddling than Bernie's undeniably real sincerity and goals. I mean the attack recently leveled here only stood as an example that he's been fighting for working class folks his whole political life.
Further backed up when Sanders talks about how his motivation isn't money, success, or power, it's a very real emotional reaction he has to seeing a weaker person taken advantage of by a stronger person, which stands in stark contrast to what sacrifices to common decency one must make to be a billionaire in the first place.
Trump is not a racist though. He is getting rid of illegal immigrant.
And their American families, but go on.
I'm sure it's just coincidence white supremacists are coming out to support/endorse/make calls for Trump. They're probably just bad at being white supremacists...
Didn't this whole conversation happen like two weeks ago? White supremacists have to support someone, even if there are no white supremacists running. So they endorse the person who most lines up with their views, even if that person isn't a white supremacist...this happens to be Trump since he is the most anti-illegal immigration/muslim people, which tend not to be white.
Its an ongoing discussion because some people don't seem to be able to accept that someone is racist unless they burn across on black family's lawn. And then they requires confirmation the cross burning wasn't satire and the black family didn't do anything to provoke the cross burning.
Whether Trump happens to be racist or not isn't the point. The point is that just because a racist group supports someone doesn't mean that the person they're supporting is automatically a racist.
He says racist things all the time. Talked about Mexico was sending over rapists and murders like it was real. He wants to create a data base for Muslims(not a race, I know, but I bet that data base would be filled with brown people). The man is super racist.
And if racists groups support him, that is the reality of the situation. You act like there is nothing he could do to stop them, yet all it would take is to not be a super racist bigot.
Also, he has said that the flat earth people might be on to something and hinted at denying the holocaust.
That is irrelevant. I am not saying that Trump isn't a racist.
Pretend for a minute that Trump is not a racist and he really is just anti-Muslim and anti-illegal immigration, no matter what race the Muslim practitioner or illegal immigrant was. The white supremacist groups would still endorse Trump, because his policies, while not race motivated, happen to lead to a situation more in line with their ideal view of the US (These two positions will likely lead to a more white US). Yet in this situation he isn't a racist.
Just because racist people endorse you does NOT make you a racist. Your own beliefs/actions are what make you a racist. So using the fact that a racist group supports Trump as evidence to him being a racist is just silly.
On February 11 2016 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote: My read on the situation is that people don't want the state to control everything any more than they want corporations to.
What people want is for common folk to regain some influence over those two groups which are undeniably conspiring to screw them over.
This is the Bernie/Trump appeal in a nutshell.
The only problem is that Trump is anything but representative of "common folk" (especially as one of the most arrogant one-percenters out there). Supporters seem to connect with him more on a politically incorrect/ fuck the political establishment level, rather than him having the folksy charm that candidates like Sarah Palin attempted. Trump is pretty much the opposite of a soccer mom.
You are missing the point. Trump is running on a populist platform. I don't think that people are going to care that he is a billionaire. You need to think of him as the second coming of Teddy Roosvelt.
Teddy Rossvelt actually gave a fuck about poor people, so not to much. Trump an ego maniac taking advantage of a defunked GOP that spend the last 4 Congressional elections promising their base shit they could never deliver. The only thing they have in common is the fact that both of them said some off color shit. Also Roosvelt's daughter was way more interesting than any of Trump's kids.
On February 11 2016 09:55 ErectedZenith wrote:
On February 11 2016 09:33 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 11 2016 09:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On February 11 2016 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote: My read on the situation is that people don't want the state to control everything any more than they want corporations to.
What people want is for common folk to regain some influence over those two groups which are undeniably conspiring to screw them over.
This is the Bernie/Trump appeal in a nutshell.
The only problem is that Trump is anything but representative of "common folk" (especially as one of the most arrogant one-percenters out there). Supporters seem to connect with him more on a politically incorrect/ fuck the political establishment level, rather than him having the folksy charm that candidates like Sarah Palin attempted. Trump is pretty much the opposite of a soccer mom.
Yeah Trumps shtick is a total scam. But that politically incorrect/fuck the establishment/xenophobic/racist stuff is a manifestation from a similar root.
Ironically it's actually just white middle class folks falling into the same realities that marginalized people know America as always being.
Nothing would bring in more stark contrast the lies Trump is peddling than Bernie's undeniably real sincerity and goals. I mean the attack recently leveled here only stood as an example that he's been fighting for working class folks his whole political life.
Further backed up when Sanders talks about how his motivation isn't money, success, or power, it's a very real emotional reaction he has to seeing a weaker person taken advantage of by a stronger person, which stands in stark contrast to what sacrifices to common decency one must make to be a billionaire in the first place.
Trump is not a racist though. He is getting rid of illegal immigrant.
Nah, he is a full blow bigot that thinks he can force another sovereign nation to pay us to build a wall. People just stopped pointing it out because its like saying the sky is blue.
If Donald Trump can leverage USA's position have over Mexico to strike a deal for Mexican to build the wall and give companies more incentives to stay in USA (unlike Sanders) so that people can be productive in the society by working. Then that's great news for every legal Americans.
10/10 troll
On February 11 2016 10:10 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: a former president of mexico just said that Mexico is never paying for a wall a few days ago. wall not happening, end of story
To be fair, Vincente Fox is so out of touch his comments make me think it is more likely to happen.
On February 11 2016 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote: My read on the situation is that people don't want the state to control everything any more than they want corporations to.
What people want is for common folk to regain some influence over those two groups which are undeniably conspiring to screw them over.
This is the Bernie/Trump appeal in a nutshell.
The only problem is that Trump is anything but representative of "common folk" (especially as one of the most arrogant one-percenters out there). Supporters seem to connect with him more on a politically incorrect/ fuck the political establishment level, rather than him having the folksy charm that candidates like Sarah Palin attempted. Trump is pretty much the opposite of a soccer mom.
Yeah Trumps shtick is a total scam. But that politically incorrect/fuck the establishment/xenophobic/racist stuff is a manifestation from a similar root.
Ironically it's actually just white middle class folks falling into the same realities that marginalized people know America as always being.
Nothing would bring in more stark contrast the lies Trump is peddling than Bernie's undeniably real sincerity and goals. I mean the attack recently leveled here only stood as an example that he's been fighting for working class folks his whole political life.
Further backed up when Sanders talks about how his motivation isn't money, success, or power, it's a very real emotional reaction he has to seeing a weaker person taken advantage of by a stronger person, which stands in stark contrast to what sacrifices to common decency one must make to be a billionaire in the first place.
Trump is not a racist though. He is getting rid of illegal immigrant.
And their American families, but go on.
I'm sure it's just coincidence white supremacists are coming out to support/endorse/make calls for Trump. They're probably just bad at being white supremacists...
Didn't this whole conversation happen like two weeks ago? White supremacists have to support someone, even if there are no white supremacists running. So they endorse the person who most lines up with their views, even if that person isn't a white supremacist...this happens to be Trump since he is the most anti-illegal immigration/muslim people, which tend not to be white.
Its an ongoing discussion because some people don't seem to be able to accept that someone is racist unless they burn across on black family's lawn. And then they requires confirmation the cross burning wasn't satire and the black family didn't do anything to provoke the cross burning.
Whether Trump happens to be racist or not isn't the point. The point is that just because a racist group supports someone doesn't mean that the person they're supporting is automatically a racist.
He says racist things all the time. Talked about Mexico was sending over rapists and murders like it was real. He wants to create a data base for Muslims(not a race, I know, but I bet that data base would be filled with brown people). The man is super racist.
And if racists groups support him, that is the reality of the situation. You act like there is nothing he could do to stop them, yet all it would take is to not be a super racist bigot.
Also, he has said that the flat earth people might be on to something and hinted at denying the holocaust.
That is irrelevant. I am not saying that Trump isn't a racist.
Pretend for a minute that Trump is not a racist and he really is just anti-Muslim and anti-illegal immigration, no matter what race the Muslim practitioner or illegal immigrant was. The white supremacist groups would still endorse Trump, because his policies, while not race motivated, happen to lead to a situation more in line with their ideal view of the US (These two positions will likely lead to a more white US). Yet in this situation he isn't a racist.
Just because racist people endorse you does NOT make you a racist. Your own beliefs/actions are what make you a racist. So using the fact that a racist group supports Trump as evidence to him being a racist is just silly.
Sure, I don't think I ever made the argument otherwise. But that when white supremacist are likely going to support someone because they are racist. They have a consistent track history of only endorsing racists, so I feel safe in thinking that any candidate they openly endorse is not for me and is very likely racist.
On February 11 2016 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote: My read on the situation is that people don't want the state to control everything any more than they want corporations to.
What people want is for common folk to regain some influence over those two groups which are undeniably conspiring to screw them over.
This is the Bernie/Trump appeal in a nutshell.
The only problem is that Trump is anything but representative of "common folk" (especially as one of the most arrogant one-percenters out there). Supporters seem to connect with him more on a politically incorrect/ fuck the political establishment level, rather than him having the folksy charm that candidates like Sarah Palin attempted. Trump is pretty much the opposite of a soccer mom.
You are missing the point. Trump is running on a populist platform. I don't think that people are going to care that he is a billionaire. You need to think of him as the second coming of Teddy Roosvelt.
Teddy Rossvelt actually gave a fuck about poor people, so not to much. Trump an ego maniac taking advantage of a defunked GOP that spend the last 4 Congressional elections promising their base shit they could never deliver. The only thing they have in common is the fact that both of them said some off color shit. Also Roosvelt's daughter was way more interesting than any of Trump's kids.
On February 11 2016 09:55 ErectedZenith wrote:
On February 11 2016 09:33 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 11 2016 09:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On February 11 2016 09:10 GreenHorizons wrote: My read on the situation is that people don't want the state to control everything any more than they want corporations to.
What people want is for common folk to regain some influence over those two groups which are undeniably conspiring to screw them over.
This is the Bernie/Trump appeal in a nutshell.
The only problem is that Trump is anything but representative of "common folk" (especially as one of the most arrogant one-percenters out there). Supporters seem to connect with him more on a politically incorrect/ fuck the political establishment level, rather than him having the folksy charm that candidates like Sarah Palin attempted. Trump is pretty much the opposite of a soccer mom.
Yeah Trumps shtick is a total scam. But that politically incorrect/fuck the establishment/xenophobic/racist stuff is a manifestation from a similar root.
Ironically it's actually just white middle class folks falling into the same realities that marginalized people know America as always being.
Nothing would bring in more stark contrast the lies Trump is peddling than Bernie's undeniably real sincerity and goals. I mean the attack recently leveled here only stood as an example that he's been fighting for working class folks his whole political life.
Further backed up when Sanders talks about how his motivation isn't money, success, or power, it's a very real emotional reaction he has to seeing a weaker person taken advantage of by a stronger person, which stands in stark contrast to what sacrifices to common decency one must make to be a billionaire in the first place.
Trump is not a racist though. He is getting rid of illegal immigrant.
Nah, he is a full blow bigot that thinks he can force another sovereign nation to pay us to build a wall. People just stopped pointing it out because its like saying the sky is blue.
If Donald Trump can leverage USA's position have over Mexico to strike a deal for Mexican to build the wall and give companies more incentives to stay in USA (unlike Sanders) so that people can be productive in the society by working. Then that's great news for every legal Americans.
Yeah, that is never going to happen. That isn't' reality, that is a racist pipe dream. Mexico isn't going to do shit except laugh.
Its not racist though, you are definitely wrong on that.
And Mexico's economy is pretty much reliant on USA, USA is a huge factor to dictate the direction of Mexico. Any elected USA president can abuse American's position and make a deal that is exclusively beneficial for USA.
Obama can do it, Sanders can too.
It was mostly all the other racist stuff he said that made me call him racist. The wall is just stupid. It was stupid when China did it and its still stupid today. And America need immigrants, illegal and otherwise. Reforming immigration is the real plan, not this populist pipe dream Trump is shilling.
It wasn't stupid when China did it, they truly needed the wall for protection. That's so ignorant.
Again, if Trump can make Mexico pay for the wall, all the power to him.
And Trump isn't even saying to stop immigration, he is saying that USA should take in better candidates to improve the country.
No to all of these things. The great wall of china was pretty meh at its job. Trump can't do that and he won't improve immigration because he has no plan to do it.
EPT
