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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
January 26 2016 19:13 GMT
#55801
Am I the only one who still can't process the idea of trump being the gop nominee? We are days from Iowa, which looks good. Iowa was supposed to be the one state he doesn't win. Wtf is going on .
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 26 2016 19:17 GMT
#55802
Cruz is a dirtbag and the mainstream support is still split between 3+ candidates. Hilariously, the 3+ candidates (Bush, Rubio, Kasich, etc.) know it, and they're all waiting for each other to drop out so they can theoretically consolidate support and beat Trump. Ironically, that just leads Trump to winning Iowa.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 26 2016 19:25 GMT
#55803
The news reports have been talking about how the Republicans do not want Cruz to win over anything else. They are convince that if he wins, they will lose the Senate. The man’s history is coming up in full colors now and every place he worked or has spent time at hated him. The man is human garbage, more than Trump in a lot of ways. I can see why the Republicans would be happy to have Trump lose the election, but have a fighting chance in the Senate.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
January 26 2016 19:34 GMT
#55804
Rubio obviously has the best chance at a general election, but I can't help but wonder what Trump and the establishment could do.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
January 26 2016 19:34 GMT
#55805
Trump beating Cruz isn't really about Cruz. It's more of a reflection of Trump and what voters think of the Republican Party in general.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 26 2016 19:46 GMT
#55806
Well that is what happens when you spend 4 years doing nothing by trying to repel the ACA and other shit you could only accomplish the Democrats all quit and president started robo-signing bills. Shockingly, they couldn’t deliver the news either.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23928 Posts
January 26 2016 19:48 GMT
#55807
On January 27 2016 04:13 Mohdoo wrote:
Am I the only one who still can't process the idea of trump being the gop nominee? We are days from Iowa, which looks good. Iowa was supposed to be the one state he doesn't win. Wtf is going on .


People still seem to think somehow, someway, Trump won't win, no idea what they are thinking.

Trump represents precisely what I've been saying the Republican party has been for years and people like introvert have been snidely saying I didn't know anything about.

I know it's not very scientific, but I talk to people regularly who's real life stories shit all over the research.

CBD remedies have little or no euphroic effect and are not used for "getting high" but absolutely work for many people treating pain, seizures, turrets, and more.

But we should probably send these parents to prison because they obviously don't know that science says it's not much better than a placebo (even if it's a shitload less dangerous).




Cannabis should be legal for a lot of reasons, medical applications are one of those reasons. Whether cannabis is the miracle substance some would like to think really doesn't matter other than for convincing people who are too stubborn to admit the many other reasons are more than enough to make it legal.

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________

lol Fox News just lashed out at Trump

We learned from a secret back channel that the Ayatollah and Putin both intend to treat Donald Trump unfairly when they meet with him if he becomes president, a nefarious source tells us that Trump has his own secret plan to replace the
Cabinet with his Twitter followers to see if he should even go to those meetings
-Fox News Spokesperson

Source
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-26 19:52:58
January 26 2016 19:51 GMT
#55808
On a lighter note, here's a game:

Marry, Fuck, Elect President

Trump, Rubio, Cruz

+ Show Spoiler +
Marry Cruz (then divorce him and let the Catholics have fun with that, hopefully I get alimony and then don't have to deal with him past that), Fuck Rubio (because he seems okay) and Elect Trump (for the lols and to see him get impeached)
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 26 2016 20:04 GMT
#55809
What fool wouldn't marry Trump? The enjoyment of "negotiating" with him over the prenup exceeds the plausible thrill of any other scenario. Plus the $krilla.
Freeeeeeedom
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 26 2016 20:10 GMT
#55810
Just remember that polls have historically been off prior to Iowa.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-much-can-really-change-before-iowa-votes/

Anything could happen?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23928 Posts
January 26 2016 20:22 GMT
#55811
Seven years ago some in the local New York press called teenager Kenneth Creighton a thug.

Guilty until proven innocent, Creighton was held in Rikers Island for nearly six brutal years between 2006 and 2012 — without ever being convicted of a crime.

With no fanfare, no apology and no compensation for the time he lost and the troubles he survived, the charges were dropped against him and he was released.


Source

He did 2 years in solitary too. Gotta love the "justice" system.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4945 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-26 20:34:35
January 26 2016 20:29 GMT
#55812
On January 27 2016 04:48 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 04:13 Mohdoo wrote:
Am I the only one who still can't process the idea of trump being the gop nominee? We are days from Iowa, which looks good. Iowa was supposed to be the one state he doesn't win. Wtf is going on .


People still seem to think somehow, someway, Trump won't win, no idea what they are thinking.

Trump represents precisely what I've been saying the Republican party has been for years and people like introvert have been snidely saying I didn't know anything about.



You still don't. For instance, in the last Iowa poll I saw, Trump's most commanding lead is among moderate and liberal republicans. That's not what you've been saying at all. Besides, casting the same incorrect analysis on Trump as you have for years on most Republicans doesn't make you right.

Edit: your ignorance of conservatives, in particular, has been well documented. Predicting that someone with good poll numbers is going to win is hardly a feat.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-26 20:33:24
January 26 2016 20:29 GMT
#55813
On January 27 2016 04:13 Mohdoo wrote:
Am I the only one who still can't process the idea of trump being the gop nominee? We are days from Iowa, which looks good. Iowa was supposed to be the one state he doesn't win. Wtf is going on .


You're not the only one, but those of us with nothing better to do than overanalyze what's been going on have seen this as a plausible outcome for some time. There are a bunch of factors in play which have brought us to where we are today.
  • The establishment's only major move against Trump backfired completely. Ever since Trump refused to pledge support to the eventual nominee the threat of a third-party Trump run has fractured establishment opposition.
  • Jeb Bush collapsed spectacularly and the establishment hasn't been able to coalesce behind an alternative, largely due to paralysis in the face of uncertainty.
  • The only path left for establishment candidates to win is to be the last establishment candidate standing, so they're all infighting like crazy.
  • Cruz is acting like a lightning rod for Trump. He's so hated by the establishment that they'd rather burn him to the ground than risk electing him by fighting Trump.
  • Trump has a few upsides for the establishment which have begun to sway them.

There's a mountain more besides, and numerous details lost in simplification, but that's the jist of what's happened.

It's still possible, even likely, that Trump won't secure the nomination. Cruz is still favored in Iowa by most analysts, and an establishment front-runner could emerge from New Hampshire to challenge Trump in later states. However, if Trump beats Cruz in Iowa and New Hampshire proves inconclusive for the myriad of candidates fighting over it, it's entirely possible the establishment will pull the plug, support Trump, and give Rubio 4-8 years to shape up.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43964 Posts
January 26 2016 20:35 GMT
#55814
On January 27 2016 05:22 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
Seven years ago some in the local New York press called teenager Kenneth Creighton a thug.

Guilty until proven innocent, Creighton was held in Rikers Island for nearly six brutal years between 2006 and 2012 — without ever being convicted of a crime.

With no fanfare, no apology and no compensation for the time he lost and the troubles he survived, the charges were dropped against him and he was released.


Source

He did 2 years in solitary too. Gotta love the "justice" system.

How does that actually happen? Clear violation of habeas corpus/6th amendment.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23928 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-26 20:39:34
January 26 2016 20:36 GMT
#55815
On January 27 2016 05:29 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 04:48 GreenHorizons wrote:
On January 27 2016 04:13 Mohdoo wrote:
Am I the only one who still can't process the idea of trump being the gop nominee? We are days from Iowa, which looks good. Iowa was supposed to be the one state he doesn't win. Wtf is going on .


People still seem to think somehow, someway, Trump won't win, no idea what they are thinking.

Trump represents precisely what I've been saying the Republican party has been for years and people like introvert have been snidely saying I didn't know anything about.



You still don't. For instance, in the last Iowa poll I saw, Trump's most commanding lead is among moderate and liberal republicans. That's not what you've been saying at all. Besides, casting the same incorrect analysis on Trump as you have for years on most Republicans doesn't make you right.


Considering how you respond to my positions I don't think you even have a clue what I've been saying.

I'm curious though what it is you think I was saying that was incorrect?

On January 27 2016 05:35 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 05:22 GreenHorizons wrote:
Seven years ago some in the local New York press called teenager Kenneth Creighton a thug.

Guilty until proven innocent, Creighton was held in Rikers Island for nearly six brutal years between 2006 and 2012 — without ever being convicted of a crime.

With no fanfare, no apology and no compensation for the time he lost and the troubles he survived, the charges were dropped against him and he was released.


Source

He did 2 years in solitary too. Gotta love the "justice" system.

How does that actually happen? Clear violation of habeas corpus/6th amendment.


The justice system is corrupt as hell. The prison industrial complex is too powerful. He's black, among other reasons. Take your pick.

Of course you rarely see the "freedom" folks say anything about such clear and heinous violations of certain people's constitutional rights.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Mercy13
Profile Joined January 2011
United States718 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-26 20:41:39
January 26 2016 20:38 GMT
#55816
On January 27 2016 05:35 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 05:22 GreenHorizons wrote:
Seven years ago some in the local New York press called teenager Kenneth Creighton a thug.

Guilty until proven innocent, Creighton was held in Rikers Island for nearly six brutal years between 2006 and 2012 — without ever being convicted of a crime.

With no fanfare, no apology and no compensation for the time he lost and the troubles he survived, the charges were dropped against him and he was released.


Source

He did 2 years in solitary too. Gotta love the "justice" system.

How does that actually happen? Clear violation of habeas corpus/6th amendment.


It's not the first time this has happened in New York. The article references another teenager who went through a similar ordeal, and committed suicide after he got out. There's a very sad article in the New Yorker about it:

www.newyorker.com
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4945 Posts
January 26 2016 20:40 GMT
#55817
On January 27 2016 05:36 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 05:29 Introvert wrote:
On January 27 2016 04:48 GreenHorizons wrote:
On January 27 2016 04:13 Mohdoo wrote:
Am I the only one who still can't process the idea of trump being the gop nominee? We are days from Iowa, which looks good. Iowa was supposed to be the one state he doesn't win. Wtf is going on .


People still seem to think somehow, someway, Trump won't win, no idea what they are thinking.

Trump represents precisely what I've been saying the Republican party has been for years and people like introvert have been snidely saying I didn't know anything about.



You still don't. For instance, in the last Iowa poll I saw, Trump's most commanding lead is among moderate and liberal republicans. That's not what you've been saying at all. Besides, casting the same incorrect analysis on Trump as you have for years on most Republicans doesn't make you right.


Considering how you respond to my positions I don't think you even have a clue what I've been saying.

I'm curious though what it is you think I was saying that was incorrect?


Your above comment was vague and light on details, so is my response. I don't have the ability atm to go through them, but this is surely a bait post because you know exactly what I mean.

I will say that in the context of this "does Trump win the nomination?" question that he very well could, I've always said it was possible. But most people seem to know why Trump is doing well. The GOP apparatus sucks, and the voters are tired of it.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 26 2016 20:42 GMT
#55818
On January 27 2016 05:38 Mercy13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
Guilty until proven innocent, Creighton was held in Rikers Island for nearly six brutal years between 2006 and 2012 — without ever being convicted of a crime.

With no fanfare, no apology and no compensation for the time he lost and the troubles he survived, the charges were dropped against him and he was released.

www.nydailynews.com

Clearly "black culture" is the real problem.

And remember that “black culture” is defined by the media that labeled this kid a thug without doing proper due diligence. Of course, US libel laws are weak shit, so they won’t face a civil claim.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22308 Posts
January 26 2016 20:45 GMT
#55819
On January 27 2016 05:35 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2016 05:22 GreenHorizons wrote:
Seven years ago some in the local New York press called teenager Kenneth Creighton a thug.

Guilty until proven innocent, Creighton was held in Rikers Island for nearly six brutal years between 2006 and 2012 — without ever being convicted of a crime.

With no fanfare, no apology and no compensation for the time he lost and the troubles he survived, the charges were dropped against him and he was released.


Source

He did 2 years in solitary too. Gotta love the "justice" system.

How does that actually happen? Clear violation of habeas corpus/6th amendment.

Incompetent/corrupt cops and not enough money to afford a lawyer to observe that the law is being followed.

Welcome to America!
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
January 26 2016 20:45 GMT
#55820
I've honestly become desensitized to Trump and the entire Republican primary process. At this point, seeing that Cruz is the other real front runner, Trump getting the nomination is a win/win in my eyes. I still think he has no chance at a national election due to his unfavorables, but if he gets elected he is a far better option than Cruz because he isn't actually conservative. I doubt Donald Trump would try very hard to suppress abortion, gay marriage, or repeal the ACA. He probably would act on immigration, but to be honest that issue doesn't affect me very much and I could let it slide.

Cruz, on the other hand, scares the shit out of me because while I am more in the middle than many in this thread on some issues I do consider myself a social progressive. He strikes me as the sort of president (because he did this as a Senator) who would rather accomplish nothing in 4 years than compromise on his "values," which mainly revolve around uplifting the misunderstood white Christian man.

I think the biggest risk of a Trump nomination, and as a result the chance of a Trump election, is his attitude in general. While Obama has not been a foreign policy guru, I don't really see diplomacy and Trump in the same sentence, and that could be disastrous. Beyond that, you just kind of have to hope he puts reasonably intelligent people in his cabinet and doesn't fuck it up.
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