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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46689 Posts
On November 07 2015 03:28 Gorsameth wrote: Ive said it before, I seriously think the majority of his support are people who do not follow the Primary and who's reaction comes down to "Isn't he that neurosurgeon guy?" Yeah that's literally the only excuse I can think of. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On November 07 2015 03:28 ticklishmusic wrote: I think we're beginning to see the end of Carson. Oh well, he sold millions of copies of a book full of what we know to be lies so I don't think he's hurting much. Imagine if the Carson support goes to trump. Rubio probably trying to find a way to snatch em. | ||
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IgnE
United States7684 Posts
On November 07 2015 01:45 Mohdoo wrote: Anyone else starting to wonder if the economy is going to be in a really decent spot towards the end of 2016? It is looking like the Obama presidency isn't going to really put all that sour of a taste in anyone's mouth. Things going kinda nuts in the Middle East, but that's a given. Unemployment is low, healthcare not perfect but a definite improvement over 8 years ago. Perhaps it is my liberal perspective, but I am really just not seeing any source of major criticism that will make people do the usual pendulum swing between red and blue. I feel like previous ends of 8 year reign have always had a dagger that the other party is using to make their case. But in 2016, it feels like the only options are blaming ISIS on Obama and saying the ACA sucks. I don't think either of those things will be killer. In late 2007 you could have said the same thing about the Bush presidency . . . market at record highs, unemployment low, Middle East under American control. The October jobs report might be the spark that catches the highly flammable system on fire. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 07 2015 04:18 IgnE wrote: In late 2007 you could have said the same thing about the Bush presidency . . . market at record highs, unemployment low, Middle East under American control. The October jobs report might be the spark that catches the highly flammable system on fire. There are so many obvious structural problems with the current state of the economy that I'm not sure how anyone could be "happy" about it. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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ragz_gt
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On November 07 2015 05:04 xDaunt wrote: There are so many obvious structural problems with the current state of the economy that I'm not sure how anyone could be "happy" about it. What are the talking points you see being used? Unemployment is low, housing market is doing well. I don't claim to be an economist, but I think for the average Joe, things look pretty decent. There's no "great recession" and that sorta thing that is super easily used as a dagger. Perhaps I'm just living in liberal la-la land, though. I can definitely see republicans blaming democrats for ISIS, but I am not seeing an economic equivalent. | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On November 07 2015 02:49 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2015/11/obama-keystone-pipeline-rejection-announcement Victory!  I wouldn't call continuing to haul that shit by train a victory. This has become some partisan bullshit devoid of any common sense. Can you even explain why the status quo is preferred over one more pipeline, of which there are thousands that operate much safer than a train ever will? Its coming down here, keystone or not. | ||
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IgnE
United States7684 Posts
On November 07 2015 05:25 oneofthem wrote: the so called security state has definitely overreached but part of it is necessary response to law enforcement and intel needs of the new tech environment. snowden is still a putin puppet Snowden is a heroic humanitarian and your petty nationalist sniping seems a bit out of tune with your professed internationalist views on other topics. But I suppose you couldn't resist. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On November 07 2015 06:23 heliusx wrote: I wouldn't call continuing to haul that shit by train a victory. This has become some partisan bullshit devoid of any common sense. Can you even explain why the status quo is preferred over one more pipeline, of which there are thousands that operate much safer than a train ever will? Its coming down here, keystone or not. Well approving it certainly wouldn't be a victory. I think the logic is that by keeping it more expensive to transport it makes the tar sand oil less viable economically. Not a great plan, but better than continuing to lay foundations for a dying/deadly industry. It's absolutely atrocious what the companies are doing to people, that people stand idle or worse yet, cheer it on, disgusts me. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
I don't think either outcome would really be a victory. | ||
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IgnE
United States7684 Posts
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 07 2015 06:16 Mohdoo wrote: What are the talking points you see being used? Unemployment is low, housing market is doing well. I don't claim to be an economist, but I think for the average Joe, things look pretty decent. There's no "great recession" and that sorta thing that is super easily used as a dagger. Perhaps I'm just living in liberal la-la land, though. I can definitely see republicans blaming democrats for ISIS, but I am not seeing an economic equivalent. You're gonna laugh when you read this, but there are many conservatives that are actually talking about income inequality now. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On November 07 2015 06:58 zlefin wrote: GH -> it's also more dangerous to transport by trucking/rail; more people dying in accidents is something I'd rather avoid. I don't think either outcome would really be a victory. Exactly, oil spills and accidents on major road/railways get a lot more attention and are more expensive to clean up than pipeline spills. I think there is a reasonable amount of evidence that suggests we would plow ourselves into oblivion if not for being confronted with the horrors that is our addiction to O&G Pipelines allow us to push even more of the consequences on more marginalized people (indigenous people, rural farmers, etc...) Obviously actually addressing the underlying issue of our addiction to O&G is what sensible folks are after but you have to take the wins when they come. No doubt, no pipeline means specific groups who would of been directly effected definitely won (despite people claiming they were screaming in the wind), I think preventing making the tar sands oil more profitable by not planting a pipeline through our country is the better of the two possible outcomes. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________ What is Chris Matthews getting at by demanding people say "Bernie Sanders is a Democrat"? | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22703 Posts
On November 07 2015 08:10 GreenHorizons wrote: What is Chris Matthews getting at by demanding people say "Bernie Sanders is a Democrat"? Trying to get people to not vote for him because they will never vote for a Democrat? He was an Independent previously. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On November 07 2015 08:13 Gorsameth wrote: Trying to get people to not vote for him because they will never vote for a Democrat? He was an Independent previously. Like he's trying to get b roll for some hit ad down the road or something. Comes off as dumb to me. Anyway looks like Rubio is making a play for Walker's "support" and his donors. If they bite, does that make Rubio the conservative's best hope? Or does it lead to a realization that Walker was just a puppet and that he was going to do as his corporate overlords demanded anyway? If not Rubio, who is the Conservative's best hope? EDIT: On Carson, doesn't look like the West Point thing will hurt him, he's already spinning it as MSM taking things out of context. Pretty sure Limbaugh went full "electronic lynching" on it too. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
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