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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 11 2015 02:38 GMT
#47661
On October 11 2015 11:29 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
FYI still recovering from having the shit slapped out of me in noho.

http://stop-hate-crimes.com/2015/08/06/free-slaps-for-white-men-giveaway-held-in-northampton-ma/

p.s.

Tuck Frump

I would expect nothing less out of Northampton. I'm not really sure what the point is, but its pretty funny.(I'm a CIS white dude, my man feelings undamaged by this)
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44322 Posts
October 11 2015 02:50 GMT
#47662
On October 11 2015 11:29 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
FYI still recovering from having the shit slapped out of me in noho.

http://stop-hate-crimes.com/2015/08/06/free-slaps-for-white-men-giveaway-held-in-northampton-ma/

p.s.

Tuck Frump


Uhh from that article:

"The term “cisgendered” means heterosexual."

No. No, it does not.

And now I just realized that that article is ridiculous as a whole >.> "The stunt is part of a growing trend among left-leaning whites to denigrating all white people." lol.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42682 Posts
October 11 2015 02:52 GMT
#47663
You signed the consent form for the slap? That was your mistake. See these liberal white chicks are all about consent.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42682 Posts
October 11 2015 02:53 GMT
#47664
On October 11 2015 11:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2015 11:29 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
FYI still recovering from having the shit slapped out of me in noho.

http://stop-hate-crimes.com/2015/08/06/free-slaps-for-white-men-giveaway-held-in-northampton-ma/

p.s.

Tuck Frump


Uhh from that article:

"The term “cisgendered” means heterosexual."

No. No, it does not.

And now I just realized that that article is ridiculous as a whole >.> "The stunt is part of a growing trend among left-leaning whites to denigrating all white people." lol.

And how happy slapping is a way of bullying the majority. It's probably a parody article.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44322 Posts
October 11 2015 02:55 GMT
#47665
On October 11 2015 11:53 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2015 11:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On October 11 2015 11:29 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
FYI still recovering from having the shit slapped out of me in noho.

http://stop-hate-crimes.com/2015/08/06/free-slaps-for-white-men-giveaway-held-in-northampton-ma/

p.s.

Tuck Frump


Uhh from that article:

"The term “cisgendered” means heterosexual."

No. No, it does not.

And now I just realized that that article is ridiculous as a whole >.> "The stunt is part of a growing trend among left-leaning whites to denigrating all white people." lol.

And how happy slapping is a way of bullying the majority. It's probably a parody article.


One can only hope, but I fear that it isn't.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4748 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-11 03:08:48
October 11 2015 03:07 GMT
#47666
I wondered if Jonny had just noped out of this thread or what. I suppose getting slapped was really the only possibility. What else could keep him away?
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 11 2015 03:09 GMT
#47667
On October 11 2015 11:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2015 11:53 KwarK wrote:
On October 11 2015 11:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On October 11 2015 11:29 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
FYI still recovering from having the shit slapped out of me in noho.

http://stop-hate-crimes.com/2015/08/06/free-slaps-for-white-men-giveaway-held-in-northampton-ma/

p.s.

Tuck Frump


Uhh from that article:

"The term “cisgendered” means heterosexual."

No. No, it does not.

And now I just realized that that article is ridiculous as a whole >.> "The stunt is part of a growing trend among left-leaning whites to denigrating all white people." lol.

And how happy slapping is a way of bullying the majority. It's probably a parody article.


One can only hope, but I fear that it isn't.

Judging from the rest of the sites content and it's features of "bad black people doing bad things to white people" and "black celebrities that follow Islam" I think they are deadly serious.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23228 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-11 05:34:52
October 11 2015 05:27 GMT
#47668
On October 11 2015 12:07 Introvert wrote:
I wondered if Jonny had just noped out of this thread or what. I suppose getting slapped was really the only possibility. What else could keep him away?


I just figure he's the whatisthisasheep* posting about Trump all the time, hence coming back and saying "Tuck Frump". Throw us off the scent like only Jonny could

I noticed whatisthisasheep started frequently posting about the same time Jonny stopped, then whatisthisasheep got banned and now Jonny's back.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44322 Posts
October 11 2015 19:31 GMT
#47669
Baltimore Police can find no records to support Ben Carson’s robbery claim

Ben Carson claimed this week that he was once held at gunpoint at a Popeye’s chicken restaurant in Baltimore, and that he survived by telling the gunman to go focus on the cashier instead of himself. If that story isn’t disturbing enough on its face, the idea that he acted so selfishly and is now bragging about it, Carson may have another problem: the Baltimore Police Department says it can find no record of the supposed incident.

While numerous Americans have been robbed at gunpoint at some point in their lives, Ben Carson has had a difficult time getting mainstream Americans to believe his story. The primary reason: he’s made so many absurd statements about everything from slavery to the Holocaust to magic cancer cures to his disbelief in gravity, that many are unsure whether anything he says can be taken at face value. That prompted the media to try to confirm his story.

In response to those requests, the Baltimore PD posted via their official Twitter account that they can’t find any evidence of a “police report in reference to the incident.” That doesn’t mean the incident doesn’t happen. But with an unhinged candidate like Ben Carson making increasingly bizarre claims by the day, it would have helped his credibility if anyone could confirm that the supposed robbery really happened. But there’s the question: what’s more disturbing, the idea that Carson made up this story to try to promote his pro-gun agenda, or the possibility that this disturbing story really did happen? There’s also the question of what a vegetarian like Ben Carson was supposedly doing in a chicken restaurant.
~ http://www.dailynewsbin.com/opinion/baltimore-police-can-find-no-records-to-support-ben-carsons-robbery-claim/22774/

So not only did Ben Carson's story make him sound like an asshole, but it was probably fabricated. Why lie to go out of your way to sound like a jerk? Although I suppose this doesn't even break the top ten dumbest things he's said so far.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21676 Posts
October 11 2015 19:39 GMT
#47670
On October 12 2015 04:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
Baltimore Police can find no records to support Ben Carson’s robbery claim

Ben Carson claimed this week that he was once held at gunpoint at a Popeye’s chicken restaurant in Baltimore, and that he survived by telling the gunman to go focus on the cashier instead of himself. If that story isn’t disturbing enough on its face, the idea that he acted so selfishly and is now bragging about it, Carson may have another problem: the Baltimore Police Department says it can find no record of the supposed incident.

While numerous Americans have been robbed at gunpoint at some point in their lives, Ben Carson has had a difficult time getting mainstream Americans to believe his story. The primary reason: he’s made so many absurd statements about everything from slavery to the Holocaust to magic cancer cures to his disbelief in gravity, that many are unsure whether anything he says can be taken at face value. That prompted the media to try to confirm his story.

In response to those requests, the Baltimore PD posted via their official Twitter account that they can’t find any evidence of a “police report in reference to the incident.” That doesn’t mean the incident doesn’t happen. But with an unhinged candidate like Ben Carson making increasingly bizarre claims by the day, it would have helped his credibility if anyone could confirm that the supposed robbery really happened. But there’s the question: what’s more disturbing, the idea that Carson made up this story to try to promote his pro-gun agenda, or the possibility that this disturbing story really did happen? There’s also the question of what a vegetarian like Ben Carson was supposedly doing in a chicken restaurant.
~ http://www.dailynewsbin.com/opinion/baltimore-police-can-find-no-records-to-support-ben-carsons-robbery-claim/22774/

So not only did Ben Carson's story make him sound like an asshole, but it was probably fabricated. Why lie to go out of your way to sound like a jerk? Although I suppose this doesn't even break the top ten dumbest things he's said so far.

People who like crazy candidates are unlikely to be bothered by facts.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
October 12 2015 00:24 GMT
#47671
The more I see the media mistreat Ben Carson, and take stuff he says out of context, and spew hate towards him, the more I like him.

I wasn't really a supporter in the past but I think he's my second favorite Republican now. I wondered how the media was going to try and bring him down, it's been as gloriously ugly as I've feared.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44322 Posts
October 12 2015 00:31 GMT
#47672
On October 12 2015 09:24 LuckyFool wrote:
The more I see the media mistreat Ben Carson, and take stuff he says out of context, and spew hate towards him, the more I like him.

I wasn't really a supporter in the past but I think he's my second favorite Republican now. I wondered how the media was going to try and bring him down, it's been as gloriously ugly as I've feared.


What quotes of his were taken out of context to look silly, which would seem perfectly reasonable in context? He's made so many ignorant and inappropriate comments about marijuana, homosexuality, vaccines, evolution, the Holocaust, Obama, his (fake?) Popeye's shooter experience, his hypothetical rush-the-shooter scenario, and everything else, that I think he deserves all the hate and ostracism that he gets.

Also, who's your favorite Republican candidate?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18826 Posts
October 12 2015 00:39 GMT
#47673
Oh look, a member of the Tea Party's target demographic! Carson thanks you for your support
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
October 12 2015 00:45 GMT
#47674
On October 12 2015 09:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2015 09:24 LuckyFool wrote:
The more I see the media mistreat Ben Carson, and take stuff he says out of context, and spew hate towards him, the more I like him.

I wasn't really a supporter in the past but I think he's my second favorite Republican now. I wondered how the media was going to try and bring him down, it's been as gloriously ugly as I've feared.


What quotes of his were taken out of context to look silly, which would seem perfectly reasonable in context? He's made so many ignorant and inappropriate comments about marijuana, homosexuality, vaccines, evolution, the Holocaust, Obama, his (fake?) Popeye's shooter experience, his hypothetical rush-the-shooter scenario, and everything else, that I think he deserves all the hate and ostracism that he gets.

Also, who's your favorite Republican candidate?


Don't forget Muslims!
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44322 Posts
October 12 2015 00:47 GMT
#47675
On October 12 2015 09:45 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2015 09:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On October 12 2015 09:24 LuckyFool wrote:
The more I see the media mistreat Ben Carson, and take stuff he says out of context, and spew hate towards him, the more I like him.

I wasn't really a supporter in the past but I think he's my second favorite Republican now. I wondered how the media was going to try and bring him down, it's been as gloriously ugly as I've feared.


What quotes of his were taken out of context to look silly, which would seem perfectly reasonable in context? He's made so many ignorant and inappropriate comments about marijuana, homosexuality, vaccines, evolution, the Holocaust, Obama, his (fake?) Popeye's shooter experience, his hypothetical rush-the-shooter scenario, and everything else, that I think he deserves all the hate and ostracism that he gets.

Also, who's your favorite Republican candidate?


Don't forget Muslims!


Psh I said Obama, didn't I?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
October 12 2015 01:18 GMT
#47676
Given the extent to which criminal justice research has established the unreliability of human memory, he's probably misremembering something from earlier in his life or something.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44322 Posts
October 12 2015 01:22 GMT
#47677
On October 12 2015 10:18 zlefin wrote:
Given the extent to which criminal justice research has established the unreliability of human memory, he's probably misremembering something from earlier in his life or something.


Are you referring to Ben Carson's held-at-gunpoint story? I can't imagine a person would misremember such an incident... I think I'd be pretty scarred. He probably just embellished it.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-12 01:28:05
October 12 2015 01:22 GMT
#47678
On October 12 2015 09:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2015 09:24 LuckyFool wrote:
The more I see the media mistreat Ben Carson, and take stuff he says out of context, and spew hate towards him, the more I like him.

I wasn't really a supporter in the past but I think he's my second favorite Republican now. I wondered how the media was going to try and bring him down, it's been as gloriously ugly as I've feared.


What quotes of his were taken out of context to look silly, which would seem perfectly reasonable in context? He's made so many ignorant and inappropriate comments about marijuana, homosexuality, vaccines, evolution, the Holocaust, Obama, his (fake?) Popeye's shooter experience, his hypothetical rush-the-shooter scenario, and everything else, that I think he deserves all the hate and ostracism that he gets.

Also, who's your favorite Republican candidate?


I can't address all of them right now but the two I can are the holocaust statement and the hypothetical rush-the-shooter scenario which have by far been the two worst/most overblown.

Holocaust- he never said it would have been "stopped" if the Jews were armed. But that became the biggest thing the media ran with. He said it would have (or could have) been "greatly diminished" if the Jews were armed. I see nothing controversial about that. The people arguing against this statement are saying it wouldn't have made a difference, the Nazi's were too strong etc. That's like saying to stop fighting for your life because things look bad. How much you want to interpret "greatly diminished" means is really up to you. Would it have diminished more than 50%? Maybe not. But who really knows. Also who knows how much guns we're talking about anyway, does arm the Jews mean give every single Jew a gun? There were 9.5 million Jews in Europe in the 1930's, 9.5 million people with guns is something. Nazi's would have burned out quickly if every single attic they checked for hidden Jews received a shot in the face. It would have changed everything about the dynamics of how the Nazi's even rounded the Jews up to begin with and would have made Ghettos almost impossible to control. Carsons bigger point anyway was about the larger issue of tyrannical governments first banning guns. Most media kinda glossed over that and instead spent most of the time talking about "historically inaccurate" his holocaust example was. How can a hypothetical statement even be "historically inaccurate" anyway.

Rush the shooter- He was asked what he would do if he was in the classroom, knowing that someone was systematically killing people based off their response to a question. He said he would tell everyone to try and rush the shooter. He was asked what HE would do. How his he supposed to respond? "Well I would do this, but since the victims didn't do that, I guess I'll just say I would sit there quietly and let myself get killed." Now obviously he could have said something like "With no disrespect to the victims etc" but even something like that makes it sound like he's trying to be all high and mighty. I wonder, how would you have liked him to respond to the question? What should he have said? When you just look at just the actual question and his answer, there is literally nothing controversial about it whatsoever.

and Rubio is my #1. he's going to win the nomination imo. Bush is fading/lacks excitement, plus has his name working against him. and I can't see the establishment fully getting behind any of the others near the top at the moment.
LimpingGoat
Profile Joined January 2015
898 Posts
October 12 2015 01:29 GMT
#47679
On October 12 2015 10:22 LuckyFool wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2015 09:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On October 12 2015 09:24 LuckyFool wrote:
The more I see the media mistreat Ben Carson, and take stuff he says out of context, and spew hate towards him, the more I like him.

I wasn't really a supporter in the past but I think he's my second favorite Republican now. I wondered how the media was going to try and bring him down, it's been as gloriously ugly as I've feared.


What quotes of his were taken out of context to look silly, which would seem perfectly reasonable in context? He's made so many ignorant and inappropriate comments about marijuana, homosexuality, vaccines, evolution, the Holocaust, Obama, his (fake?) Popeye's shooter experience, his hypothetical rush-the-shooter scenario, and everything else, that I think he deserves all the hate and ostracism that he gets.

Also, who's your favorite Republican candidate?


I can't address all of them right now but the two I can are the holocaust statement and the hypothetical rush-the-shooter scenario which have by far been the two worst/most overblown.

Holocaust- he never said it would have been "stopped" if the Jews were armed. But that became the biggest thing the media ran with. He said it would have (or could have) been "greatly diminished" if the Jews were armed. I see nothing controversial about that. The people arguing against this statement are saying it wouldn't have made a difference, the Nazi's were too strong etc. That's like saying to stop fighting for your life because things look bad. How much you want to interpret "greatly diminished" means is really up to you. Would it have diminished more than 50%? Maybe not. But who really knows. Also who knows how much guns we're talking about anyway, does arm the Jews mean give every single Jew a gun? There were 9.5 million Jews in Europe in the 1930's, 9.5 million people with guns is something. Nazi's would have burned out quickly if every single attic they checked for hidden Jews received a shot in the face. It would have changed everything about the dynamics of how the Nazi's even rounded the Jews up to begin with and would have made Ghettos almost impossible to control. Carsons bigger point anyway was about the larger issue of tyrannical governments first banning guns. Most media kinda glossed over that and instead spent most of the time talking about "historically inaccurate" his holocaust example was. How can a hypothetical statement even be "historically inaccurate" anyway.

Rush the shooter- He was asked what he would do if he was in the classroom, knowing that someone was systematically killing people based off their response to a question. He said he would tell everyone to try and rush the shooter. He was asked what HE would do. How his he supposed to respond? "Well I would do this, but since the victims didn't do that, I guess I'll just say I would sit there quietly and let myself get killed." Now obviously he could have said something like "With no disrespect to the victims etc" but even something like that makes it sound like he's trying to be all high and mighty. I wonder, how would you have liked him to respond to the question? What should he have said? When you just look at just the actual question and his answer, there is literally nothing controversial about it whatsoever.

and Rubio is my #1. he's going to win the nomination imo. Bush is fading/lacks excitement, plus has his name working against him. and I can't see the establishment fully getting behind any of the others near the top at the moment.


Why do you like Rubio? Guy seems like a choker to me, but maybe that is what we need.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
October 12 2015 01:40 GMT
#47680
On October 12 2015 10:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2015 10:18 zlefin wrote:
Given the extent to which criminal justice research has established the unreliability of human memory, he's probably misremembering something from earlier in his life or something.


Are you referring to Ben Carson's held-at-gunpoint story? I can't imagine a person would misremember such an incident... I think I'd be pretty scarred. He probably just embellished it.


Let's compare the flak that Hillary got about her sniper in Bosnia story and Ben Carson's... statements.
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