US Politics Mega-thread - Page 2364

On October 02 2015 03:42 KwarK wrote:
Discrimination is pretty hard to prove anyway. Unless you're coupling the rejection with racial insults or there are some dumb email records proving you're violating a protected field with employment discrimination you'll get away with it. The idea that a drunk black guy crying "I'll sue you for racialism" as he gets ejected actually wins isn't based on anything.

BREAKING: Oregon community college shooting suspect 'is down': Oregonian newspaper

Several dead after shooting at Oregon college
As many as 15 people were reported killed and 20 were reported wounded at a shooting at a community college in Roseburg, Oregon.

On October 02 2015 04:41 Plansix wrote:
Again:

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

Sadly, this never stops being relevant.

On October 02 2015 02:58 Plansix wrote:

This isn't any different that the normal problem retailers face. They already fear social influential people who don't like their service and decide to badmouth them on facebook or some shit. The gay couple is no more a threat than the women who brings her shitty kids to the cake and gets mad when the owner tell them not to touch the cakes. Both can go ham on social media to put them out of business.

On October 02 2015 04:59 KwarK wrote:
300,000,000 people and you're bound to get some cunts. Couple that with the guarantee of top post on reddit and 24 hour news coverage for a few days and here we are.

On October 02 2015 05:09 ZasZ. wrote:


You misunderstand me, I'm saying that if society wants to correct the behavior, that's fine. Aren't we talking about making refusal of service illegal? Because "discrimination" is such a loose term that making the law apply only to those religious nuts that hate the gays seems like a pipe dream. I'm saying I'm more comfortable with businesses being able to refuse service to anyone they like, for any reason, and having society work out who the assholes are. I realize that's not ideal, but so is allowing any asshole who gets kicked out of a place to claim discrimination and get the business owners fined or thrown in jail.

And Nyxisto, there are plenty of reasons why people can refuse service, other than discrimination. Throwing someone out of a bar for being too drunk is refusing service. Kicking a homeless guy out of your store for loitering can be considered refusing service. Kicking a person being an asshole out of your business is refusing service. No shoes, no shirt, no service is a sign seen all over the place in business windows.

Unfortunately, it's complicated. If people had made the same argument I am making now about black customers, there probably would have been entire towns in the deep south that refused to serve black people, with little alternative to them, and no societal impulses to correct their behavior. But I also think that was a different situation because as far as I know we do not have concentrated gay communities that are isolated within large swaths of homophobic businesses.

On October 02 2015 05:09 ZasZ. wrote:


You misunderstand me, I'm saying that if society wants to correct the behavior, that's fine. Aren't we talking about making refusal of service illegal? Because "discrimination" is such a loose term that making the law apply only to those religious nuts that hate the gays seems like a pipe dream. I'm saying I'm more comfortable with businesses being able to refuse service to anyone they like, for any reason, and having society work out who the assholes are. I realize that's not ideal, but so is allowing any asshole who gets kicked out of a place to claim discrimination and get the business owners fined or thrown in jail.

On October 02 2015 05:43 oneofthem wrote:
yet more evidence that racism is pretty real, like we all know.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/09/public-school-funding-and-the-role-of-race/408085/