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On October 29 2014 04:39 Souma wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2014 09:26 Sermokala wrote:On October 28 2014 08:44 Souma wrote:
Haven't the conversations in here been the same regurgitated things since the election thread?
Only so much you can talk about. :d Tis one reason why I hardly post in here nowadays. The only regurgitated thing we've been discussing since the election thread is obamacare and related topics. Trust me I've been here the whole way. pouring out some fourty for my boy sam!zdat No dude, we've gone through literally everything again and again. Guns, immigration, religion, taxes, education, foreign policy, etc. etc. with the same arguments being drummed up every single time. It's inevitable obviously since this is a political thread, but for me it's just too tiresome to rehash the same debates. It's just ridiculous since nothing gets done in Congress so we have no choice but to bring up the same things. The most interesting topics seem to be when individual states have something going on nowadays. At least there's that.
Turn this thread into global politics to spice things up? 
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On October 29 2014 05:39 Shiragaku wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2014 04:39 Souma wrote:On October 28 2014 09:26 Sermokala wrote:On October 28 2014 08:44 Souma wrote:
Haven't the conversations in here been the same regurgitated things since the election thread?
Only so much you can talk about. :d Tis one reason why I hardly post in here nowadays. The only regurgitated thing we've been discussing since the election thread is obamacare and related topics. Trust me I've been here the whole way. pouring out some fourty for my boy sam!zdat No dude, we've gone through literally everything again and again. Guns, immigration, religion, taxes, education, foreign policy, etc. etc. with the same arguments being drummed up every single time. It's inevitable obviously since this is a political thread, but for me it's just too tiresome to rehash the same debates. It's just ridiculous since nothing gets done in Congress so we have no choice but to bring up the same things. The most interesting topics seem to be when individual states have something going on nowadays. At least there's that. Turn this thread into global politics to spice things up?
Please no. If that happens, the discussion quickly devolves further to raw philosophy debates and semantics.
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On October 28 2014 23:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +For a man who constantly touts his plans to build a creationist empire in the United States, Ken Ham is surprisingly bad at his job. The professional charlatan’s greatest success, his mind-boggling Creation Museum, faces a serious decline in attendance. His next boondoggle, a Noah’s Ark–themed creationist amusement park, was so woefully underfunded that Ham began selling junk bonds to keep it from going under. Initial construction on the dramatically scaled-back “ark park” is barely underway. And now Ham has already run into legal trouble. His utterly predictable offense? Using taxpayer money to discriminate on the basis of religion.
The trouble began when the park, officially called Ark Encounter, listed its employment opportunities in August. Nestled among the requirements for all job applicants were three troubling obligatory documents: “Salvation testimony,” “Creation belief statement,” and a “Confirmation of your agreement with the AiG statement of faith.” (AiG is Answers in Genesis, Ham’s ministry and Ark Encounter’s parent company.) These first two requirements are problematic enough: The park is quite openly instructing all applicants to pledge that they personally believe in creationist Christianity. If an applicant has other beliefs, her application to Ark Encounter isn’t welcome.
But the third requirement is far, far worse. AiG’s statement of faith is no mere loyalty oath: It’s a four-part theological declaration mandating that all signatories accept dozens of fundamentalist Christian principles. Employees at Ark Encounter don’t just have to believe in God; they have to believe in Christ, the Holy Spirit, Satan (as “the personal spiritual adversary of both God and mankind”), Adam and Eve, “the Great Flood of Genesis,” a 6,000-year-old Earth, and the eternal damnation of “those who do not believe in Christ.” All employees must follow “the duty of Christians” and attend “a local Bible believing church.” Just for good measure, employees must oppose abortion, euthanasia, gay rights, and trans rights.
Were Ark Encounter merely a ministry, the First Amendment would protect its discriminatory employment practices. If it were a privately funded company with an explicitly religious purpose, the law might still permit it to hire based on its prejudices. But Ark Encounter isn’t privately funded; the citizens of Kentucky have been roped into paying for it, whether they like it or not. Earlier this year, Kentucky’s Tourism Development Finance Authority gave preliminary support for $18.25 million in tax credits for Ark Encounter, citing Ham’s promise that the project would create 600 to 700 jobs. And that’s just for the first phase of construction; ultimately, the state could grant Ark Encounter up to $73 million in tax breaks. Source
You know... I have a feeling if it was a Islamic theme park that required you to adopt Islamic beliefs (even the most reasonable ones) to work there, while also getting millions of dollars in tax payer rebates, that Fox News would be running a segment every hour on it, and radio conservatives would go nuts.
But since the park is a 'Christian' based delusion Fox news and conservatives seem not to be bothered by it (at least not very much). I really don't see a difference between it being a Islamic theme park and a Christian one when it comes to requiring people to be of 'your faith' to work there while also receiving tax rebates.
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On October 29 2014 05:39 Shiragaku wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2014 04:39 Souma wrote:On October 28 2014 09:26 Sermokala wrote:On October 28 2014 08:44 Souma wrote:
Haven't the conversations in here been the same regurgitated things since the election thread?
Only so much you can talk about. :d Tis one reason why I hardly post in here nowadays. The only regurgitated thing we've been discussing since the election thread is obamacare and related topics. Trust me I've been here the whole way. pouring out some fourty for my boy sam!zdat No dude, we've gone through literally everything again and again. Guns, immigration, religion, taxes, education, foreign policy, etc. etc. with the same arguments being drummed up every single time. It's inevitable obviously since this is a political thread, but for me it's just too tiresome to rehash the same debates. It's just ridiculous since nothing gets done in Congress so we have no choice but to bring up the same things. The most interesting topics seem to be when individual states have something going on nowadays. At least there's that. Turn this thread into global politics to spice things up?
No, just need something interesting to happen. Nothing is going on because of the upcoming election.
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On October 29 2014 05:49 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2014 23:00 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:For a man who constantly touts his plans to build a creationist empire in the United States, Ken Ham is surprisingly bad at his job. The professional charlatan’s greatest success, his mind-boggling Creation Museum, faces a serious decline in attendance. His next boondoggle, a Noah’s Ark–themed creationist amusement park, was so woefully underfunded that Ham began selling junk bonds to keep it from going under. Initial construction on the dramatically scaled-back “ark park” is barely underway. And now Ham has already run into legal trouble. His utterly predictable offense? Using taxpayer money to discriminate on the basis of religion.
The trouble began when the park, officially called Ark Encounter, listed its employment opportunities in August. Nestled among the requirements for all job applicants were three troubling obligatory documents: “Salvation testimony,” “Creation belief statement,” and a “Confirmation of your agreement with the AiG statement of faith.” (AiG is Answers in Genesis, Ham’s ministry and Ark Encounter’s parent company.) These first two requirements are problematic enough: The park is quite openly instructing all applicants to pledge that they personally believe in creationist Christianity. If an applicant has other beliefs, her application to Ark Encounter isn’t welcome.
But the third requirement is far, far worse. AiG’s statement of faith is no mere loyalty oath: It’s a four-part theological declaration mandating that all signatories accept dozens of fundamentalist Christian principles. Employees at Ark Encounter don’t just have to believe in God; they have to believe in Christ, the Holy Spirit, Satan (as “the personal spiritual adversary of both God and mankind”), Adam and Eve, “the Great Flood of Genesis,” a 6,000-year-old Earth, and the eternal damnation of “those who do not believe in Christ.” All employees must follow “the duty of Christians” and attend “a local Bible believing church.” Just for good measure, employees must oppose abortion, euthanasia, gay rights, and trans rights.
Were Ark Encounter merely a ministry, the First Amendment would protect its discriminatory employment practices. If it were a privately funded company with an explicitly religious purpose, the law might still permit it to hire based on its prejudices. But Ark Encounter isn’t privately funded; the citizens of Kentucky have been roped into paying for it, whether they like it or not. Earlier this year, Kentucky’s Tourism Development Finance Authority gave preliminary support for $18.25 million in tax credits for Ark Encounter, citing Ham’s promise that the project would create 600 to 700 jobs. And that’s just for the first phase of construction; ultimately, the state could grant Ark Encounter up to $73 million in tax breaks. Source You know... I have a feeling if it was a Islamic theme park that required you to adopt Islamic beliefs (even the most reasonable ones) to work there, while also getting millions of dollars in tax payer rebates, that Fox News would be running a segment every hour on it, and radio conservatives would go nuts. But since the park is a 'Christian' based delusion Fox news and conservatives seem not to be bothered by it (at least not very much). I really don't see a difference between it being a Islamic theme park and a Christian one when it comes to requiring people to be of 'your faith' to work there while also receiving tax rebates.
Well the difference being I doubt Kentucky would have ever given it the go-ahead if it were an Islamic theme park.
But yeah, pretty disgusting. Just glad I don't live in Kentucky, but it boggles my mind places like this still exist.
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i have no problem with a christian theme park, but they obviously cannot license their information in an official capacity.
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id just be worried if their use of the word "genesis" gets them into copyright troubles with phil collins
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what's the problem of these Christian-themed theme parks aside from Fox's hypocrisy?
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On October 29 2014 07:28 ref4 wrote:
what's the problem of these Christian-themed theme parks aside from Fox's hypocrisy?
Well in this case they were trying to have their cake and eat it too. They wanted to only hire committed Christians and also apply for state tax incentives. Since the state didn't want anything to do with funding an employer that only hired Christians they denied the funding. System working as intended there, imo.
Slate also seems to have a bone to pick with the park's developer 'Answers in Genesis'. I'll guess that's because they have issues with Christian fundamentalists, but I'm not entirely sure on that.
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seems like a case of trying to make money off of religious tax exemption + eager christian evangelical movement.
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On October 29 2014 08:04 JonnyBNoHo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2014 07:28 ref4 wrote:
what's the problem of these Christian-themed theme parks aside from Fox's hypocrisy? Well in this case they were trying to have their cake and eat it too. They wanted to only hire committed Christians and also apply for state tax incentives. Since the state didn't want anything to do with funding an employer that only hired Christians they denied the funding. System working as intended there, imo. Slate also seems to have a bone to pick with the park's developer 'Answers in Genesis'. I'll guess that's because they have issues with Christian fundamentalists, but I'm not entirely sure on that.
Ham is a con man in Christ's name (that should ruffle Christian and Non-Christian feathers alike). I guess his apparent genuine belief could exculpate him from some of that, but the stuff he is peddling should be closer to getting him committed than funded.
Ahh Kentucky, How do you like that Obamacare Kynect?
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On October 29 2014 05:46 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2014 05:39 Shiragaku wrote:On October 29 2014 04:39 Souma wrote:On October 28 2014 09:26 Sermokala wrote:On October 28 2014 08:44 Souma wrote:
Haven't the conversations in here been the same regurgitated things since the election thread?
Only so much you can talk about. :d Tis one reason why I hardly post in here nowadays. The only regurgitated thing we've been discussing since the election thread is obamacare and related topics. Trust me I've been here the whole way. pouring out some fourty for my boy sam!zdat No dude, we've gone through literally everything again and again. Guns, immigration, religion, taxes, education, foreign policy, etc. etc. with the same arguments being drummed up every single time. It's inevitable obviously since this is a political thread, but for me it's just too tiresome to rehash the same debates. It's just ridiculous since nothing gets done in Congress so we have no choice but to bring up the same things. The most interesting topics seem to be when individual states have something going on nowadays. At least there's that. Turn this thread into global politics to spice things up? Please no. If that happens, the discussion quickly devolves further to raw philosophy debates and semantics.
Please yes. Sounds fun.
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On October 29 2014 00:26 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2014 04:11 xDaunt wrote:
Jesus Christ. This GMO/herbicide crap is actually shitting up the thread worse than the repetitive economic theory arguments. it's odd really. To overly generalize, the American Right is distrustful of the science of climate change and embraces the science of biotechnology, while the American Left embraces the science of climate change and rejects the science of biotechnology.
Because the "American Right" and "American Left" are both coalitions, and not terribly ideologically sensible ones.
The right is (to dramatically oversimplify) an alliance of social conservatives (anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-Islam), libertarians (anti-tax, anti-entitlement, anti-regulation, anti-tariff), and neocons (lately on the back foot, pro-war, pro-Israel, pro-democracy-promotion). They are united by a general feeling that the state should basically limit itself to national defense and fighting crime. But these are not inevitable allies, and they disagree on all sorts of things. Libertarians and neocons disagree dramatically on foreign policy. Libertarians and social conservatives disagree on pretty much everything. Social conservatives disagree amongst themselves on all manner of things; see the immigration debate, where most voters identifying as social conservatives are anti-immigrant, whereas most actual churches (including many of the highly conservative, anti-gay etc. ones) are relatively pro-immigrant.
The left is (to similarly oversimplify) an alliance of social liberals (feminists, civil rights advocates, potheads, idealistic college students) and socialists (in the European sense of thinking of the state as basically a welfare-apparatus). They are a less fractious group at the moment, but your technocrat-socialist wing and your idealist-hippie wing do conflict on say, whether or not to trust science. Hippies, as anybody who's spent much time in the West know, actually have a lot politically in common with cowboys.
The alliances we have are current, but neither permanent nor inevitable. It would not be hard to imagine the religious left becoming more important than the religious right again, as it was in much of earlier US history.
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On October 29 2014 11:15 Yoav wrote:
ant.
The left is (to similarly oversimplify) an alliance of social liberals (feminists, civil rights advocates, potheads, idealistic college students) and socialists (in the European sense of thinking of the state as basically a welfare-apparatus). They are a less fractious group at the moment, but your technocrat-socialist wing and your idealist-hippie wing do conflict on say, whether or not to trust science. Hippies, as anybody who's spent much time in the West know, actually have a lot politically in common with cowboys.
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which one is Bob Rubin, a socialist or a civil rights advocate/pot head?
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On October 29 2014 05:36 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2014 04:39 Souma wrote:On October 28 2014 09:26 Sermokala wrote:On October 28 2014 08:44 Souma wrote:
Haven't the conversations in here been the same regurgitated things since the election thread?
Only so much you can talk about. :d Tis one reason why I hardly post in here nowadays. The only regurgitated thing we've been discussing since the election thread is obamacare and related topics. Trust me I've been here the whole way. pouring out some fourty for my boy sam!zdat No dude, we've gone through literally everything again and again. Guns, immigration, religion, taxes, education, foreign policy, etc. etc. with the same arguments being drummed up every single time. It's inevitable obviously since this is a political thread, but for me it's just too tiresome to rehash the same debates. It's just ridiculous since nothing gets done in Congress so we have no choice but to bring up the same things. The most interesting topics seem to be when individual states have something going on nowadays. At least there's that. Which is why I take sizable breaks every now and again. 
On October 29 2014 05:23 bookwyrm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2014 04:39 Souma wrote:On October 28 2014 09:26 Sermokala wrote:On October 28 2014 08:44 Souma wrote:
Haven't the conversations in here been the same regurgitated things since the election thread?
Only so much you can talk about. :d Tis one reason why I hardly post in here nowadays. The only regurgitated thing we've been discussing since the election thread is obamacare and related topics. Trust me I've been here the whole way. pouring out some fourty for my boy sam!zdat No dude, we've gone through literally everything again and again. Guns, immigration, religion, taxes, education, foreign policy, etc. etc. with the same arguments being drummed up every single time. It's inevitable obviously since this is a political thread, but for me it's just too tiresome to rehash the same debates. It's just ridiculous since nothing gets done in Congress so we have no choice but to bring up the same things. The most interesting topics seem to be when individual states have something going on nowadays. At least there's that. Political depression 
both are so true. you just have to take a break from time to time with all the shit going on/not getting done/ignored/marginalized/...etc.
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On October 29 2014 06:02 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2014 05:39 Shiragaku wrote:On October 29 2014 04:39 Souma wrote:On October 28 2014 09:26 Sermokala wrote:On October 28 2014 08:44 Souma wrote:
Haven't the conversations in here been the same regurgitated things since the election thread?
Only so much you can talk about. :d Tis one reason why I hardly post in here nowadays. The only regurgitated thing we've been discussing since the election thread is obamacare and related topics. Trust me I've been here the whole way. pouring out some fourty for my boy sam!zdat No dude, we've gone through literally everything again and again. Guns, immigration, religion, taxes, education, foreign policy, etc. etc. with the same arguments being drummed up every single time. It's inevitable obviously since this is a political thread, but for me it's just too tiresome to rehash the same debates. It's just ridiculous since nothing gets done in Congress so we have no choice but to bring up the same things. The most interesting topics seem to be when individual states have something going on nowadays. At least there's that. Turn this thread into global politics to spice things up? No, just need something interesting to happen. Nothing is going on because of the upcoming election. Arguably the Ebola reporting/scare is a bigger player in hijacking the normal course of reporting building up to midterms. Every close race is deafened by somebody new getting sick in the western world, or a quarantine, or some angle from an expert.
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Election officials in 27 states, most of them Republicans, have launched a program that threatens a massive purge of voters from the rolls. Millions, especially black, Hispanic and Asian-American voters, are at risk. Already, tens of thousands have been removed in at least one battleground state, and the numbers are expected to climb, according to a six-month-long, nationwide investigation by Al Jazeera America.
At the heart of this voter-roll scrub is the Interstate Crosscheck program, which has generated a master list of nearly 7 million names. Officials say that these names represent legions of fraudsters who are not only registered but have actually voted in two or more states in the same election — a felony punishable by 2 to 10 years in prison.
Until now, state elections officials have refused to turn over their Crosscheck lists, some on grounds that these voters are subject to criminal investigation. Now, for the first time, three states — Georgia, Virginia and Washington — have released their lists to Al Jazeera America, providing a total of just over 2 million names.
The Crosscheck list of suspected double voters has been compiled by matching names from roughly 110 million voter records from participating states. Interstate Crosscheck is the pet project of Kansas’ controversial Republican secretary of state, Kris Kobach, known for his crusade against voter fraud.
The three states’ lists are heavily weighted with names such as Jackson, Garcia, Patel and Kim — ones common among minorities, who vote overwhelmingly Democratic. Indeed, fully 1 in 7 African-Americans in those 27 states, plus the state of Washington (which enrolled in Crosscheck but has decided not to utilize the results), are listed as under suspicion of having voted twice. This also applies to 1 in 8 Asian-Americans and 1 in 8 Hispanic voters. White voters too — 1 in 11 — are at risk of having their names scrubbed from the voter rolls, though not as vulnerable as minorities.If even a fraction of those names are blocked from voting or purged from voter rolls, it could alter the outcome of next week’s electoral battle for control of the U.S. Senate — and perhaps prove decisive in the 2016 presidential vote count.
“It’s Jim Crow all over again,” says the Rev. Joseph Lowery, who cofounded the Southern Christian Leadership Conference with Martin Luther King, Jr. Lowery, now 93, says he recognizes in the list of threatened voters a sophisticated new form of an old and tired tactic. “I think [the Republicans] would use anything they can find. Their desperation is rising.”
Source
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On October 29 2014 13:24 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2014 05:36 aksfjh wrote:On October 29 2014 04:39 Souma wrote:On October 28 2014 09:26 Sermokala wrote:On October 28 2014 08:44 Souma wrote:
Haven't the conversations in here been the same regurgitated things since the election thread?
Only so much you can talk about. :d Tis one reason why I hardly post in here nowadays. The only regurgitated thing we've been discussing since the election thread is obamacare and related topics. Trust me I've been here the whole way. pouring out some fourty for my boy sam!zdat No dude, we've gone through literally everything again and again. Guns, immigration, religion, taxes, education, foreign policy, etc. etc. with the same arguments being drummed up every single time. It's inevitable obviously since this is a political thread, but for me it's just too tiresome to rehash the same debates. It's just ridiculous since nothing gets done in Congress so we have no choice but to bring up the same things. The most interesting topics seem to be when individual states have something going on nowadays. At least there's that. Which is why I take sizable breaks every now and again. Show nested quote +On October 29 2014 05:23 bookwyrm wrote:On October 29 2014 04:39 Souma wrote:On October 28 2014 09:26 Sermokala wrote:On October 28 2014 08:44 Souma wrote:
Haven't the conversations in here been the same regurgitated things since the election thread?
Only so much you can talk about. :d Tis one reason why I hardly post in here nowadays. The only regurgitated thing we've been discussing since the election thread is obamacare and related topics. Trust me I've been here the whole way. pouring out some fourty for my boy sam!zdat No dude, we've gone through literally everything again and again. Guns, immigration, religion, taxes, education, foreign policy, etc. etc. with the same arguments being drummed up every single time. It's inevitable obviously since this is a political thread, but for me it's just too tiresome to rehash the same debates. It's just ridiculous since nothing gets done in Congress so we have no choice but to bring up the same things. The most interesting topics seem to be when individual states have something going on nowadays. At least there's that. Political depression both are so true. you just have to take a break from time to time with all the shit going on/not getting done/ignored/marginalized/...etc.
The worst part is that when you try to talk about something real, people tell you that you are "arguing semantics." Which is the name for anything other than inhabiting one of the officially approved dogmas and waving little flags with donkeys or elephants
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On October 30 2014 00:55 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +Election officials in 27 states, most of them Republicans, have launched a program that threatens a massive purge of voters from the rolls. Millions, especially black, Hispanic and Asian-American voters, are at risk. Already, tens of thousands have been removed in at least one battleground state, and the numbers are expected to climb, according to a six-month-long, nationwide investigation by Al Jazeera America.
At the heart of this voter-roll scrub is the Interstate Crosscheck program, which has generated a master list of nearly 7 million names. Officials say that these names represent legions of fraudsters who are not only registered but have actually voted in two or more states in the same election — a felony punishable by 2 to 10 years in prison.
Until now, state elections officials have refused to turn over their Crosscheck lists, some on grounds that these voters are subject to criminal investigation. Now, for the first time, three states — Georgia, Virginia and Washington — have released their lists to Al Jazeera America, providing a total of just over 2 million names.
The Crosscheck list of suspected double voters has been compiled by matching names from roughly 110 million voter records from participating states. Interstate Crosscheck is the pet project of Kansas’ controversial Republican secretary of state, Kris Kobach, known for his crusade against voter fraud.
The three states’ lists are heavily weighted with names such as Jackson, Garcia, Patel and Kim — ones common among minorities, who vote overwhelmingly Democratic. Indeed, fully 1 in 7 African-Americans in those 27 states, plus the state of Washington (which enrolled in Crosscheck but has decided not to utilize the results), are listed as under suspicion of having voted twice. This also applies to 1 in 8 Asian-Americans and 1 in 8 Hispanic voters. White voters too — 1 in 11 — are at risk of having their names scrubbed from the voter rolls, though not as vulnerable as minorities.If even a fraction of those names are blocked from voting or purged from voter rolls, it could alter the outcome of next week’s electoral battle for control of the U.S. Senate — and perhaps prove decisive in the 2016 presidential vote count.
“It’s Jim Crow all over again,” says the Rev. Joseph Lowery, who cofounded the Southern Christian Leadership Conference with Martin Luther King, Jr. Lowery, now 93, says he recognizes in the list of threatened voters a sophisticated new form of an old and tired tactic. “I think [the Republicans] would use anything they can find. Their desperation is rising.” Source
Why the hell aren't they doing this right AFTER major elections?
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On October 30 2014 01:51 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2014 00:55 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Election officials in 27 states, most of them Republicans, have launched a program that threatens a massive purge of voters from the rolls. Millions, especially black, Hispanic and Asian-American voters, are at risk. Already, tens of thousands have been removed in at least one battleground state, and the numbers are expected to climb, according to a six-month-long, nationwide investigation by Al Jazeera America.
At the heart of this voter-roll scrub is the Interstate Crosscheck program, which has generated a master list of nearly 7 million names. Officials say that these names represent legions of fraudsters who are not only registered but have actually voted in two or more states in the same election — a felony punishable by 2 to 10 years in prison.
Until now, state elections officials have refused to turn over their Crosscheck lists, some on grounds that these voters are subject to criminal investigation. Now, for the first time, three states — Georgia, Virginia and Washington — have released their lists to Al Jazeera America, providing a total of just over 2 million names.
The Crosscheck list of suspected double voters has been compiled by matching names from roughly 110 million voter records from participating states. Interstate Crosscheck is the pet project of Kansas’ controversial Republican secretary of state, Kris Kobach, known for his crusade against voter fraud.
The three states’ lists are heavily weighted with names such as Jackson, Garcia, Patel and Kim — ones common among minorities, who vote overwhelmingly Democratic. Indeed, fully 1 in 7 African-Americans in those 27 states, plus the state of Washington (which enrolled in Crosscheck but has decided not to utilize the results), are listed as under suspicion of having voted twice. This also applies to 1 in 8 Asian-Americans and 1 in 8 Hispanic voters. White voters too — 1 in 11 — are at risk of having their names scrubbed from the voter rolls, though not as vulnerable as minorities.If even a fraction of those names are blocked from voting or purged from voter rolls, it could alter the outcome of next week’s electoral battle for control of the U.S. Senate — and perhaps prove decisive in the 2016 presidential vote count.
“It’s Jim Crow all over again,” says the Rev. Joseph Lowery, who cofounded the Southern Christian Leadership Conference with Martin Luther King, Jr. Lowery, now 93, says he recognizes in the list of threatened voters a sophisticated new form of an old and tired tactic. “I think [the Republicans] would use anything they can find. Their desperation is rising.” Source Why the hell aren't they doing this right AFTER major elections?
duhhh, how would they gain an advantage then?
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