EPTPossible fraud in the US Election system - Page 5
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
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Sanctimonius
United Kingdom861 Posts
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
On November 01 2012 04:42 Sanctimonius wrote: It's not the first example of Republican vote-rigging allegations this election, and frankly it annoys me that it isn't more over the news. Any instances of suspected rigging should be investigated fully. Mind you I don't expect that, since Bush was able to 'win' and everyone just kinda forgot that in reality Gore did. How did Gore really win? It's sad that this old fantasy just won't die. Gore lost Florida. He lost the electoral college. The New York Times and the Miami Herald did their own statewide recount of Florida in 2001 and guess what, Bush won. Get over it already. | ||
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
On November 01 2012 04:39 Grumbels wrote: The republican party is trying to manipulate the outcome of the election by scaring away voters and such already. I wouldn't put it past them to try and rig the voting machines also, but it's unlikely. This thread certainly hasn't convinced me. It's funny, because if you replaced "republican" with "democrat", this statement would actually be true. | ||
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HunterX11
United States1048 Posts
On November 01 2012 04:53 BluePanther wrote: It's funny, because if you replaced "republican" with "democrat", this statement would actually be true. It was true in the past, but the way the demographics work now, it is almost universal that the Republicans benefit from disenfranchisement more than Democrats (which is why they are the primary source of voter suppression efforts today). | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
On November 01 2012 04:53 BluePanther wrote: It's funny, because if you replaced "republican" with "democrat", this statement would actually be true. You should get out of the FOX-News bubble or whatever you're into. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
On November 01 2012 04:58 Grumbels wrote: You should get out of the FOX-News bubble or whatever you're into. That was so insightful and eloquent and above all else convincing! | ||
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Sanctimonius
United Kingdom861 Posts
On November 01 2012 04:44 DeepElemBlues wrote: How did Gore really win? It's sad that this old fantasy just won't die. Gore lost Florida. He lost the electoral college. The New York Times and the Miami Herald did their own statewide recount of Florida in 2001 and guess what, Bush won. Get over it already. Am I wrong in thinking that Gore won the popular vote? And that the Supreme Court threw out all of the votes in Florida and handed the Electoral College votes to Bush? This is, of course, ignoring the fact the Electoral College is an outdated and archaic device which reduces the chance of real democracy in this country. | ||
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Felnarion
442 Posts
On November 01 2012 04:42 Sanctimonius wrote: It's not the first example of Republican vote-rigging allegations this election, and frankly it annoys me that it isn't more over the news. Any instances of suspected rigging should be investigated fully. Mind you I don't expect that, since Bush was able to 'win' and everyone just kinda forgot that in reality Gore did. I am now, formally, accusing the Democrat party of attempting to rig the Georgia election. Now, they have to be investigated, since I've made an allegation. Some random guy on some random forum? Or is that not credible enough. Do I have to at least be some random guy on a random blog for me to get attention? | ||
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
On November 01 2012 04:58 Grumbels wrote: You should get out of the FOX-News bubble or whatever you're into. Maybe you missed the election fraud story out of Florida? I LOVE IT WHEN FOREIGNERS TELL ME HOW I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT AMERICAN POLITICS. The internet is the only place where someone would say something that stupid. | ||
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zokker13
Germany77 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
On November 01 2012 05:03 BluePanther wrote: Maybe you missed the election fraud story out of Florida? I LOVE IT WHEN FOREIGNERS TELL ME HOW I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT AMERICAN POLITICS. The internet is the only place where someone would say something that stupid. http://www.thenation.com/blog/169642/republicans-boast-about-voter-suppression-tampa-ground-shifting I don't want to get into a petty argument, but republican attempts at voter suppression this election are pretty obvious. | ||
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
On November 01 2012 05:00 Sanctimonius wrote: Am I wrong in thinking that Gore won the popular vote? And that the Supreme Court threw out all of the votes in Florida and handed the Electoral College votes to Bush? This is, of course, ignoring the fact the Electoral College is an outdated and archaic device which reduces the chance of real democracy in this country. You're wrong. The Supreme Court told Gore he couldn't cherry-pick which districts he could get a recount in. Gore then conceded. Later studies have shown that Bush would have won a general recount, something that Gore's team likely knew at the time. Popular vote means nothing. We are a Federation, not a pure democracy. Who wins the popular vote is irrelevant to the presidency, which is something Americans learn in their first civics class. | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
On November 01 2012 05:06 Grumbels wrote: http://www.thenation.com/blog/169642/republicans-boast-about-voter-suppression-tampa-ground-shifting I don't want to get into a petty argument, but republican attempts at voter suppression this election are pretty obvious. None of the quotes in that story are in context. That is such partisan drivel it hurts to read it. The author weaves in his own narrative and then gives snippets to justify his narrative. | ||
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HunterX11
United States1048 Posts
On November 01 2012 05:06 BluePanther wrote: You're wrong. The Supreme Court told Gore he couldn't cherry-pick which districts he could get a recount in. Gore then conceded. Later studies have shown that Bush would have won a general recount, something that Gore's team likely knew at the time. Popular vote means nothing. We are a Federation, not a pure democracy. Who wins the popular vote is irrelevant to the presidency, which is something Americans learn in their first civics class. Gore did want to cherry pick districts, and indeed would have lost had they finished the recount he wanted, but he likely would have won with a total recount of Florida. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12623-2001Nov11.html | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
On November 01 2012 05:08 BluePanther wrote: None of the quotes in that story are in context. That is such partisan drivel it hurts to read it. The author weaves in his own narrative and then gives snippets to justify his narrative. "Voter ID which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the State of Pennsylvania... Done!" In what world are you living where republicans aren't trying to discourage certain groups from voting? | ||
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Sanctimonius
United Kingdom861 Posts
On November 01 2012 05:06 BluePanther wrote: You're wrong. The Supreme Court told Gore he couldn't cherry-pick which districts he could get a recount in. Gore then conceded. Later studies have shown that Bush would have won a general recount, something that Gore's team likely knew at the time. Popular vote means nothing. We are a Federation, not a pure democracy. Who wins the popular vote is irrelevant to the presidency, which is something Americans learn in their first civics class. I would suggest that popular vote means an awful lot, since it would suggest that the majority of the country wants one person over the other. Just because you learn about the electoral college in civics class does not make it particularly democratic. It had a purpose a century or two ago, but in todays world all it does is make voting complicated and runs the risk of disenfranchising voters. Looks like I may have been wrong about Gore winning Florida, but then, maybe not. if people are still arguing about it today it would suggest that the votes were not looked at closely enough at the time and the Courts simply handed it to Bush when they should have been re-checking votes. | ||
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
On November 01 2012 05:19 Grumbels wrote: "Voter ID which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the State of Pennsylvania... Done!" In what world are you living where republicans aren't trying to discourage certain groups from voting? Look, I know you live in a shell where you only ever hear one side of a story. That's great. I do election law in the United States, where I volunteer my time to ensure we have fair elections. I have an intimate knowledge of how we do our elections in my state, and I would never put partisan interests above a fair election. Believe it or not, we're not one of those countries (as of now), where parties put winning ahead of fairness. | ||
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HunterX11
United States1048 Posts
On November 01 2012 05:26 BluePanther wrote: Look, I know you live in a shell where you only ever hear one side of a story. That's great. I do election law in the United States, where I volunteer my time to ensure we have fair elections. I have an intimate knowledge of how we do our elections in my state, and I would never put partisan interests above a fair election. Believe it or not, we're not one of those countries (as of now), where parties put winning ahead of fairness. Election officials genuinely preventing voter fraud and vote rigging doesn't mean politicians don't attempt voter suppression and things like voter caging. I mean voter caging even leaves a paper trial so you can't deny it exists. | ||
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