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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
So is this end to league changes intended, or some kind of bug? Has anyone managed to get demoted/promoted since the new season began, not counting placement matches? Thought I would hear what TL thinks about this, seems really weird to me. Update: I'm now 20-103. Still no demotion. Another player confirmed in masters division with a record of 36-212. | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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FCLogan
49 Posts
People have been getting promoted and demoted this season. You will eventually get demoted. | ||
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
On September 14 2012 13:29 johnnywup wrote: your mmr has to stabilize at a certain level for you to be demoted... ie if you stabilize your mmr at silver mmr youll be demoted to silver... if you keep losing against bronzes you wont be demoted for a long time since youre not stabilizing This wasn't true in the past, except to a certain degree. If you went two league above or below your current league, it would automatically promote or demote you whether you were winning or losing 100% of games. | ||
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ThirdDegree
United States329 Posts
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
On September 14 2012 13:32 ThirdDegree wrote: From what I understand, it doesn't change your league until your mmr stabilizes. So instead of dropping from masters>diamond>plat>gold, you would just drop from masters>gold. Only speculative, but since you are losing so much, your mmr is very volatile I've dropped league before and it has NEVER let me go straight to bronze while still in master league. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On September 14 2012 13:27 jdseemoreglass wrote: At first I thought I could exploit this "bug," get master league points for beating noobs and shoot to rank 1 master. But apparently points won or lost are no longer based on MMR, they are based on RANK! I only get 1 points for winning games. Nothing has changed in regard to that. Points earned have always been a result of comparing your point score in your current league against your opponent's MMR. A score of zero in Master league corresponds to an MMR that's so high compared to your opponents' MMRs that you earn the minimum one point for each win. In response to someone else's post in the league and ladder sticky I pointed out why throwing games to manipulate your rating is a bad idea (adds noise to other player's ratings thus tending to screw up the system for everyone, unfair to your opponents, and against Blizzard's rules) -- sounds like I left out that if you do not happen to get demoted, you might have thousands of games to play to get your point score somewhere reasonable. It's possible this is a deliberate change, so your opponents can see they're playing a master league player.  Or, possibly it's a deliberate change made on the presumption that people are dropping leagues to get a better division rank. Not that I can imagine anyone thinking that way.Edit: I thought I'd responded to you in the other thread but turns out it was someone having the same experience. | ||
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TerranosaurusWrecks
Canada187 Posts
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On September 14 2012 13:55 TerranosauresWrecks wrote: I think you need to win a couple game in order to get demoted. This was true early on but Excalibur_Z has confirmed that the system no longer works that way. Anyway, it sounds like the OP is winning games now and not getting demoted. | ||
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CamoPillbox
Czech Republic229 Posts
demote i dont know about . | ||
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EnE
417 Posts
Dropping games is against the rules, why would you even do it that way it sounds really dumb to me. When I switched to terran, I lost mmr by switching to terran, not by leaving games until I was playing bronze players. This happened because you were too lazy to play it like loss loss win loss loss win, until you got reclassified, so if you don't want to do that, then JUST PLAY YOUR NEW RACE/STYLE ON THE LADDER. | ||
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
I think someone confirmed that promotions are still occurring. Can no one confirm any demotions yet, not including placement matches? I'm honestly just curious now to see if I can actually get my account demoted or not, and whether this is the new system or my account is just bugged somehow. | ||
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Plutonik
Canada329 Posts
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IRL_Sinister
Ireland621 Posts
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Corrosive
Canada3741 Posts
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
So thanks to plutonik, he confirmed to me that another player has a 36-212 record and is still in masters division, now we know it's not isolated. Clearly there is a new and rather strange system in place for demotions now that's different from every other season. Still need to confirm if anyone has yet been demoted during the season. | ||
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
My wife wanted to get promoted to diamond, so she worked hard to get over 800 points last season because that's the threshold blizzard said you needed for promotion. (I know its not 100%). Anyways, she did her placement match and was still put in platinum. I'm in platinum as well, and I switched to Protoss, so I could cannon rush every game for fun, and I lost most of my games for several days. Now playing only golds/silvers, but still remain in platinum division. The irony is that now I've gone on a 6 game win streak and am top 8 platinum while playing only golds and silvers. While my wife is mid-plat playing diamonds/platinum. She mad. | ||
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BrokenTV
Canada119 Posts
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MidgetHumper
United Kingdom280 Posts
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On September 15 2012 03:54 jdseemoreglass wrote: If I cared about getting banned I wouldn't have posted this on TL obviously. I get that people hate smurfs because they don't like losing or something, but it's really not a big deal. Actually, I mostly find them annoying because they quit games without playing on the way down. However, if losing your $60 isn't a motivation to you, gl hf I guess? | ||
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rhs408
United States904 Posts
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Dingodile
4133 Posts
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Schlendrian
49 Posts
That is very weird to me, because I won more than 50% of my games last season (some even against diamonds)...has to be either the new non-tier-system or...maybe it's cuz I'm terran and we get auto-demoted so the ladder stays balanced  | ||
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PauseBreak
United States270 Posts
rhs408 basically said the same thing as I was getting reference links to my post/argument as to why you are facing Ladder Bugs. | ||
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On September 15 2012 06:56 Dingodile wrote: Yeah I posted in a other thread about my problem this season. I am last in my division and I still only play against player from higher leagues (one was 3 leagues higher than me). this happened 7 games in a row and 1-6 is the score now. This sounds like a different problem. What league are you in? As for MMR stability and promotions/demotions, yeah that might be related, but it's not universal at least - I placed into a lower league as a result of a losing streak before the season end and was promoted back after about ten games. | ||
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StatixEx
United Kingdom779 Posts
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On September 15 2012 07:23 StatixEx wrote: i was gold last season, beat a plat protoss in placement match (was playing mostly dias and starplats last season) got put in silver . .w. t. actual. f EG curse. | ||
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Castigo
United Kingdom34 Posts
beside being OT. ROFL, you sir win the internet! p.s. i just wonder if raising or falling that's all | ||
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Schlendrian
49 Posts
On September 15 2012 06:57 Schlendrian wrote: I just played my placement match (against a plat-player), I won...then got demoted to gold lol (was plat all seasons before). That is very weird to me, because I won more than 50% of my games last season (some even against diamonds)...has to be either the new non-tier-system or...maybe it's cuz I'm terran and we get auto-demoted so the ladder stays balanced On September 15 2012 07:23 StatixEx wrote: i was gold last season, beat a plat protoss in placement match (was playing mostly dias and starplats last season) got put in silver . .w. t. actual. f I'm seeing a connection here...beating a plat-guy in your placement match means getting a demotion! If you now tell me that you're terran too, then this is clearly a terran-platinum-conspiracy! Blizzard! I'm onto you. | ||
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Lollerskates
United States4 Posts
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twomong3r
United States36 Posts
was rank 30 platinum last season, and actually ended on a winning streak | ||
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
Start playing random. You will lose. Then you will play people at your level as random. The end. | ||
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419fish
United States35 Posts
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Lollerskates
United States4 Posts
On September 16 2012 11:59 419fish wrote: I know you can change leagues because I went from plat to gold after my placement match and three games latter got promoted Thanks, but we already know that promotion is possible. What we want to find out right now is if anyone's been demoted outside of placement matches for this season so far. | ||
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trGKakarot
United States129 Posts
I am sure the ladder isn't broken (when you aren't intentionally throwing your games and it doesn't know how to adjust accordingly). Acting like the ladder should work when you are blatantly not following a "normal" process is silly. | ||
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
Looks like you no longer get auto-demoted if you fall 2 leagues. master - bronze, demotion was not possible in the old system. From now on a Bronze player can be better than a Master player. League hold no accurate value about skill. 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My_Fake_Plastic_Luv
United States257 Posts
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LeSioN
United States325 Posts
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On September 16 2012 12:57 skeldark wrote: They changed the promotion demotion. Looks like you no longer get auto-demoted if you fall 2 leagues. master - bronze, demotion was not possible in the old system. From now on a Bronze player can be better than a Master player. League hold no accurate value about skill. I don't think I agree with your interpretation. No Master league player, in practice, drops to Bronze because they've gotten worse at the game, but only because they've thrown games, even if they've changed races. What this means is that if someone does this, their Bronze league opponent will see a Master league player unless they somehow stabilize their MMR in Bronze league (rather than, say, winning all their games and heading back up.) Note that the Bronze player is not actually better than the Master player in this case, though they might win if the Master player exits the game before it's over. My take is that they figured they couldn't reasonably take account action against all those people throwing their games to lower their MMR, but they could at least leave the higher-league label on them while they were doing it so that their opponents know what's going on. Face it, the only reasonable explanations for a Master-league player dropping to Gold or below are either manipulating their MMR by throwing games or account-sharing. Maybe once in a while someone loses their arm in an accident. That unfortunate player would then eventually stabilize in a lower league and get a demotion. | ||
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Lysenko
Iceland2128 Posts
On September 16 2012 14:00 LeSioN wrote: isnt the ladder locked for the upcoming season atm? No, the new season started and the ladder is no longer locked. | ||
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Arachne
South Africa426 Posts
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UberNuB
United States365 Posts
On September 17 2012 05:48 Arachne wrote: Wouldn't it just be easier, to start playing random and then afte the 15 lost games coz you were masters, it will stabilize? Then how are they supposed to troll Bronze level players? | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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