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Asharon
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-26 18:17:36
August 26 2012 18:06 GMT
#1
Hi there,

the recent win of Scarlett (congratulations btw) in the WCS NA, raised an interesting question for me. How should we view transgenders in sports?

I wanna say upfront, no disrespect to people who are transgender this is really just a general discussion about the topic.

So Scarlett was born a boy and decided to become a girl. As a girl then she won the WCS NA and everyone is yelling "wow outplayed by a girl lol" and stuff like that. I don't really see it that way. Let's shift the whole thing to other sports and to other people.

Current world record in 100m is held by Usain Bolt with 9.58 in August 2009 (According to Wikipedia). So imagine he would say now hey, I feel I was born in the wrong body and become transgender.

The best time for a woman on that distance is 10.49 by Florence Griffith-Joyner in 1988, so about 1 Second slower than Usain Bolt. Which would mean that if Bolt ran this record as a woman he would hold the world record in Women's 100 metres for a very, very long time if not forever. So my question would be if you treat transgender men in sport as normal women, wouldn't that distort the whole sport and achievements? Wouldn't other female participants be up against a huge disadvantage?

[I know that Starcraft is a game of the brain and not so much of strength, still men are by far dominant in this game, means if a transgender would sign up for female events she would have a huge advantage.] -> I put this in brackets now sinced it caused an offtopic discussion. What I meant to say is that currently the rate of pro gamers is way bigger on the male part, the game is marketed towards boys/men and also the ratio men/women is favoring the men - so if several progamers would turn out to be transgender they would dominate every female event. At least that would be my theory. <-- EDITED

I find this a confusing topic and hope I didn't offend anyone by laying down my thoughts. I just like to get some diversion on this to see different points of views.

Thanks in advance

P.S. English is not my first language, so I apologize for mistakes.
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Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-26 18:08:17
August 26 2012 18:07 GMT
#2
I'm amazed you mentioned track and field and not the South African lady with internal testes or whatever it turned out to be.

edit: actually I guess that's transsexual and not transgender?
nGBeast
Profile Joined July 2010
United States914 Posts
August 26 2012 18:08 GMT
#3
Why does it matter, a person is a person.
kevinmon
Profile Joined January 2011
United States540 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-26 18:11:08
August 26 2012 18:08 GMT
#4
If Usain Bolt turns into a girl he can't run as fast.
6NR
Profile Joined March 2012
United States1472 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-26 18:11:09
August 26 2012 18:09 GMT
#5
ChuCky.Ca
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada2497 Posts
August 26 2012 18:10 GMT
#6
who cares?
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haffy
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom430 Posts
August 26 2012 18:10 GMT
#7
I think for the most part transgendered people actually have the opposite gender brain compared to their body.

So I'd say just because she isn't a biological women, doesn't mean she has any advantage over other women.
viOLetFanClub
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Korea (South)390 Posts
August 26 2012 18:10 GMT
#8
At least OP says what he's thinking instead of the rest of the sheep that try to conform.
recklessfire
Profile Joined September 2010
United States373 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-26 18:13:03
August 26 2012 18:11 GMT
#9
I know that Starcraft is a game of the brain and not so much of strength, still men are by far dominant in this game, means if a transgender would sign up for female events she would have a huge advantage.


and how would being male have an advantage in the game of starcraft? Men are dominant because theres like a 100000:1 ratio of men playing this game overall as compared to women. And theres an even bigger ratio of men who train at pro level compared to that of the women? Which women are actually playing and training at pro lvl right now? 2 or 3?

its so much different in sports because physical strength differs greatly between women and men. Transgenders will have to compete at what their physical gender is. Starcraft is mostly mind games, so...
Ksquared
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1748 Posts
August 26 2012 18:11 GMT
#10
Everyone knows that having a penis automatically makes you better at video games.
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Spray
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States402 Posts
August 26 2012 18:11 GMT
#11
This isn't that trollish. It actual does raise some interesting questions.
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blackone
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1314 Posts
August 26 2012 18:11 GMT
#12
I don't understand your post. What's the comparison to Starcraft? You mention Athletics and an athlete "switching" from male to female competition, but there's no parallel to that in Starcraft, MLG is MLG regardless of what gender you are.
yoigen
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany369 Posts
August 26 2012 18:12 GMT
#13
On August 27 2012 03:10 viOLetFanClub wrote:
At least OP says what he's thinking instead of the rest of the sheep that try to conform.



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Sandermatt
Profile Joined December 2010
Switzerland1365 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-26 18:12:42
August 26 2012 18:12 GMT
#14
Was she born a boy and decided to become a girl, or was she born with unclear gender (xy genes, but otherwise unclear) and the doctors decided to make her a girl?
Adastrom
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada219 Posts
August 26 2012 18:12 GMT
#15
I think transgender means that a person is born a certain sex, but with a brain of the opposite sex. Doesn't that mean scarlett was born with a male body but with a female mind?
Lol pvz
Zedex
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom310 Posts
August 26 2012 18:12 GMT
#16
I think you misunderstand why men are dominant in starcraft, just because there are more male players at the highest level does not mean they have an advantage, the fact that they are male has no impact on their skill. The same cannot be said for conventional sports, the two situations are completely different you can't draw any meaningful comparisons in scenarios like this.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Cybren
Profile Joined February 2010
United States206 Posts
August 26 2012 18:12 GMT
#17
Let's see, are men "dominant" in starcraft because they're inherently better at it, or is it because the game is marketed mostly towards men?
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Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
August 26 2012 18:12 GMT
#18
correlation =/= causation.

gtfo.
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Ichabod
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1659 Posts
August 26 2012 18:12 GMT
#19
Starcraft isn't a physical sport, where males have such advantages, therefore gender shouldn't (largely doesn't) matter.

This was really discussed at length at Scarlett's breakout IGN performance...and the community seems to have accepted the situation.
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
August 26 2012 18:13 GMT
#20
Um not really an issue at all. I remember them talking about this on "live and three" after IPL 4. And most players were like, thats cool, can she play? And in all the interviews everyone was like she can play the game. Its not like she is doing anythign illegal. I feel like this is a not an issue at all. Thanks for making it an issue.
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