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phanto
Sweden708 Posts
On May 14 2012 23:58 Incognoto wrote: Fucking ridiculous. I'm not the kind of person to be offended but I find the topic immensely distasteful, it would be much better off closed. Then don't read it? I find the topic ridiculous. Too much food and no exercise leads to being overweight. | ||
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Young Terran
United Kingdom265 Posts
On May 14 2012 23:15 Damrak wrote: Title sounds as if all black women are fat. i agree learn to title shit. | ||
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legendstormcrow
United States44 Posts
On May 15 2012 00:11 Kasu wrote: Actually http://www.economist.com/node/15060097?subjectid=7933596&story_id=15060097 Britain has the best teeth in the world (health-wise) according to this study. We just don't have the same association between perfect white teeth and beauty that makes teeth a bigger deal in the US. Now I have been corrected. Still I doubt your dental would cover all the cosmetics they do here. Well at least you won't have renegade dentists who cap a kids entire mouth a week before they start to fall out. That was torture and all these years later I only have 1 left and I suspect its quality.. GB sounds a bit better now lolz. | ||
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KazeHydra
Japan2788 Posts
It means that the genetics differ more within the same race (say, Chinese) than if you compared 2 races. The idea is that overall, races' genetics will average out to be more or less the same whereas genetics within the same race can be quite diverse. Don't be deceived by how different people of races can look as this is a very poor indicator of genetic similarity. | ||
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legendstormcrow
United States44 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On May 14 2012 23:08 arbitrageur wrote: What non-sense. Black people have a lower mean iq and are less educated on average. Education and IQ have a demonstrated positive correlation with obesity. This is the only evidenced link between being a black woman and being obese. I could formulate it statistically but I really can't be bothered. What non-sense People who post stupid things have a lower iq and are less educated on average. That's an interesting article. | ||
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liberal
1116 Posts
The fat black woman’s body “functions as a site of resistance to both gendered and racialized oppression.” By contextualizing fatness within the African diaspora, she invites us to notice that the fat black woman can be a rounded opposite of the fit black slave, that the fatness of black women has often functioned as both explicit political statement and active political resistance. I actually laughed out loud at the absurdity of this. People put a little too much thought and theory into pretty simple and obvious phenomenon. | ||
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legendstormcrow
United States44 Posts
On May 15 2012 00:28 liberal wrote: I actually laughed out loud at the absurdity of this. People put a little too much thought and theory into pretty simple and obvious phenomenon. I think maybe he posted it becuase they said it and he thought it was funny. I could see some one saying this though... | ||
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ShatterZer0
United States1843 Posts
A huge percentage of African American women in the United States live in the Deep South or in the intercity... both of which are places with absurdly high levels of obesity... because you're discouraged from ever going outside, heat + violence, and because the available foodstuffs are either cheap and unhealthy or expensive and healthy... Who knows which they would choose >.> I really hate it when people ignore the obvious and try to blow it off as a "cultural thing"... It's just half hearted racism hiding behind some idiotic notion of intellectualism. | ||
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Deadeight
United Kingdom1629 Posts
On May 15 2012 00:14 legendstormcrow wrote: Now I have been corrected. Still I doubt your dental would cover all the cosmetics they do here. Well at least you won't have renegade dentists who cap a kids entire mouth a week before they start to fall out. That was torture and all these years later I only have 1 left and I suspect its quality.. GB sounds a bit better now lolz. Covers braces and stuff for kids. Wouldn't cover whitening and stuff though, you'd have to pay for that. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On May 14 2012 23:24 legendstormcrow wrote: We are fat becuase we have good dentists, Lol. Some British guy the other day said over the radio basically that your free dental is the same "free dental" inmates get. REMOVE DEM ALL! 1 more thing. Even fit people are considered fat becuase muscle puts them over the indexes for being obese. Me? I call mine natural body armor and it serves me better then the lowgrade kevlar I put up with. You would need a TON of muscle to be considered obese. A 5'9" guy would need to be a little over 200 pounds to be considered obese. That's fucking huge if it's all muscle. To give you some idea here is Asafa Powell, who is fairly large, even for a sprinter: ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Powell_2010-06-04_Bislett_Games_06.jpg/200px-Powell_2010-06-04_Bislett_Games_06.jpg) Where does he stack up on BMI? Right at 23.7, which doesn't even reach the "overweight" category let alone obese. In other words unless your really, really big you still won't even be classes as overweight by BMI due to muscle...and you would need to be absolutely HUGE to get anywhere near the obese standard. So I guess everyone stopped posting. Everyone agree it is a cultural issue and not a racial issue? Considering that scientifically there is no such thing as race...yes I think everyone can agree there. In terms of the obesity it could be a cultural/environmental thing however. I don't know the distribution of black women across the US but if many are in the deep south then environmental factors such as hot muggy weather for most of the year could certainly play their part as well. | ||
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TheoryCraft
United States3 Posts
Theres also a massive issue of processed food cultures, we're now moving into the 3rd generation of having large portions of the population that never learned to cook, essentially never learning to feed themselves. As such they're stuck having to eat whatever is convenient (a lot of people don't have time to cook when it takes them forever to buy and make something basic), and cheap, and what is convenient and cheap to deliver to people is unhealthy for pretty obvious reasons. I don't think its strictly an African American issue, but rather a poor American issue. Regardless, I'm non-plussed by the beautiful black = obese black, maybe some people feel that way but the argument being made is pretty flimsy. Would be interested to see how many upper/middle class African Americans feel that way. | ||
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legendstormcrow
United States44 Posts
Sadly and a bit off topic. in both the black population and the mexican population a want to return to roots and feelings of a "master race" have developed. African Americans that I mentioned this too said this was absurd and occasionally why they left their countries of origin (1 even being a white platation owner who fled a decade or 2 ago after fighting several wars.) Due to the idea of a "Master Race" scores have died in Russia, the Americas, Africa, Germany, Spain, and several other areas of the world. The most notable debaucles include Slavery across the world, mass murders during the Halocaust, the Aprtieds (I don't know how to spell it) in Africa, and so much more. If you have any thoughts of a race being better please discard them. No difference in mankind cannot be overcome. | ||
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legendstormcrow
United States44 Posts
On May 15 2012 00:38 L_Master wrote: You would need a TON of muscle to be considered obese. A 5'9" guy would need to be a little over 200 pounds to be considered obese. That's fucking huge if it's all muscle. To give you some idea here is Asafa Powell, who is fairly large, even for a sprinter: Where does he stack up on BMI? Right at 23.7, which doesn't even reach the "overweight" category let alone obese. In other words unless your really, really big you still won't even be classes as overweight by BMI due to muscle...and you would need to be absolutely HUGE to get anywhere near the obese standard. I was going by what the BMI was when i was in school. Like I said, skinny girls failed it. The only one to be underweight (let alone pass) was the girl built like a wet noodle and slept with her head on her ankles. Also since you put that photo up I'd like to point out 1/4 of the black criminal element look that way in prison. | ||
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[Agony]x90
United States853 Posts
Considering 80% of them are overweight, I would say that the title is pretty damn close. Maybe you should take time to read the op and article before making judgements on the content. The title is there to advertise a subject, not be an abstract. | ||
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legendstormcrow
United States44 Posts
On May 15 2012 00:41 TheoryCraft wrote: Oh right, morbid obesity is exactly what those poems are describing. Theres also a massive issue of processed food cultures, we're now moving into the 3rd generation of having large portions of the population that never learned to cook, essentially never learning to feed themselves. As such they're stuck having to eat whatever is convenient (a lot of people don't have time to cook when it takes them forever to buy and make something basic), and cheap, and what is convenient and cheap to deliver to people is unhealthy for pretty obvious reasons. I don't think its strictly an African American issue, but rather a poor American issue. Regardless, I'm non-plussed by the beautiful black = obese black, maybe some people feel that way but the argument being made is pretty flimsy. Would be interested to see how many upper/middle class African Americans feel that way. I'd have to agree. Unfortunately this means that the educated often are fat just due to time constraints which disproves for the final time "black people are fat becuase they are poor." | ||
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
EDIT: and all of you who are earnestly discussing the article, you are committing the mistake of taking it as something that should be argued about. Is the author right and black women want to be fat? Is the author wrong and stupid? That is not the issue here, the issue is what does the NYTimes want you to think, and what do you think the people around you will think, and why you do not pause and think : why am I not questioning being fed this rubbish? | ||
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Tippecanoe
United States342 Posts
On May 15 2012 00:11 Kasu wrote: Actually http://www.economist.com/node/15060097?subjectid=7933596&story_id=15060097 Britain has the best teeth in the world (health-wise) according to this study. We just don't have the same association between perfect white teeth and beauty that makes teeth a bigger deal in the US. That's between 12 year olds in 2009. | ||
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legendstormcrow
United States44 Posts
On May 15 2012 00:50 Jinsho wrote: Yeah, it's the typical kind of nonsense that they like printing. Pointing the finger at the women "hey look they want to be fat!". Pointing the finger at the author "hey look he said such a stupid thing!". Avoiding the finger that should be pointing at themselves "why do you print this rubbish?" The funny thing is last time I did that I got hacked. Lol. | ||
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legendstormcrow
United States44 Posts
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